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Post by toshtego on Nov 27, 2019 13:34:29 GMT -5
Quick show of hands. Who is or will brine their turkey?
Thank you.
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Post by calabash on Nov 27, 2019 13:42:03 GMT -5
Been in the soup since yesterday.
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Post by Scott W on Nov 27, 2019 14:24:04 GMT -5
Put it in last night around 11. Was going to wait until this morning but didn’t
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Post by McWiggins on Nov 27, 2019 14:26:07 GMT -5
Always! Especially if smoking it. Keeps it more moist and enhances the natural flavors.
This goes for a wet or dry brine. Both are a must in my small world.
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Post by toshtego on Nov 27, 2019 14:49:32 GMT -5
I have cooked a lot of turkeys but I have never brined one. Never had trouble with them drying out either. So, when I read about brine I was interested. Thought to ask you all since we have notable cooks present.
I always roasted in the oven breast side down on a thick bed of mirepox. Then flip the bird half way through the roast time.
Rotisserie kept those birds moist.
Smoking seemed the most challenging and I can see how a brine might help here.
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Post by McWiggins on Nov 27, 2019 14:57:27 GMT -5
In my book, brining was a big game changer. Certain meats and cuts it truly makes it so much better. Whole turkey, whole chicken, pork chops and more. Even just a simple sugar, salt and water mix for a wet brine and it honestly makes things better. Sure, I've smoked a lot of turkey without brining but compare a well brined bird to one thats not and the difference is big. Little effort for big gains.
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Post by McWiggins on Nov 27, 2019 15:00:38 GMT -5
With what I said above it's also good to note that most store birds already come brined. If you read the fine print it will show not only thats been brined but how powerfull the brine solution is. Most are lightly brined and so doing your own brine makes it better.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 15:56:17 GMT -5
So, first they Brain them, then they Brine them, heh ?
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Post by toshtego on Nov 27, 2019 16:03:05 GMT -5
In my book, brining was a big game changer. Certain meats and cuts it truly makes it so much better. Whole turkey, whole chicken, pork chops and more. Even just a simple sugar, salt and water mix for a wet brine and it honestly makes things better. Sure, I've smoked a lot of turkey without brining but compare a well brined bird to one thats not and the difference is big. Little effort for big gains. Adds weight to help their margin. Might have a slight preservative effect, too, if not held correctly for a short time? Makes sense, I guess. I liked buying dressed turkeys from the Embudo Turkey Ranch while it still flourished. About 60 miles south of me in the Rio Grande Gorge. Fresh and unbrined birds.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 27, 2019 16:04:47 GMT -5
I have been told not to brine a turkey that has already been brined, or you chance having a salty bird.... I don’t know if that is true, but I read it on the internet, so it has to be true!
Most all birds have sodium as a preservative... A few years ago Costco had all natural unbrined turkeys, and I brined that one, it turned out phenomenal... restaurant supply houses have Bain Marie’s that do a great job, but usually require moving a refrigerator shelf.
Doing a butterball my daughter wanted out of her freezer.
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Post by McWiggins on Nov 27, 2019 16:12:09 GMT -5
If the brine solution is high from the company and you then brine it with a normal brine yourself, then yes, it will be over salted. But if the brine solution is light, it comes out just fine. A neat trick, brine the bird a little heavy and make your own stuffing to shove inside your bird. Use little salt in the stuffing and while cooking it will pull salt from the bird and both stuffing and turkey will come out amazing.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Nov 27, 2019 17:16:14 GMT -5
We here in Cajun Land didn’t observe Thanksgiving until the late 50s, Pork Roast was king. Remember when they came out with the roasting bags, then pressure cookers on small birds. I always though brineing was thought up by Yankees who hated their relatives and wanted to make them sorry they came to dinner🙀😂, you want a tender bird, do like Tosh breast side down, but with fresh pork sausage split in half draped over bird, then flip and if sausage has dried, renew the sausage, it’s really all about grease, or butter , only thing taste dry is a good martini or cracker🎉👩🏻🍳
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Post by McWiggins on Nov 27, 2019 17:28:26 GMT -5
Many methods make for a juicy and tender bird but brining was never made up by "yankees" because of a dislike for the south.
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Post by toshtego on Nov 27, 2019 17:30:57 GMT -5
We here in Cajun Land didn’t observe Thanksgiving until the late 50s, Pork Roast was king. Remember when they came out with the roasting bags, then pressure cookers on small birds. I always though brineing was thought up by Yankees who hated their relatives and wanted to make them sorry they came to dinner🙀😂, you want a tender bird, do like Tosh breast side down, but with fresh pork sausage split in half draped over bird, then flip and if sausage has dried, renew the sausage, it’s really all about grease, or butter , only thing taste dry is a good martini or cracker🎉👩🏻🍳 I used to do something similar. Bird resting breast side down on bed of mirepoix which "steams' onto the breast side. Bacon strips over the top dripping into the mirepoix which is part of the gravy base while helping to keep birdy moist. So true. It is all about the fat and water.
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Post by toshtego on Nov 27, 2019 17:34:08 GMT -5
We here in Cajun Land didn’t observe Thanksgiving until the late 50s, Pork Roast was king. Remember when they came out with the roasting bags, then pressure cookers on small birds. I always though brineing was thought up by Yankees who hated their relatives and wanted to make them sorry they came to dinner🙀😂, you want a tender bird, do like Tosh breast side down, but with fresh pork sausage split in half draped over bird, then flip and if sausage has dried, renew the sausage, it’s really all about grease, or butter , only thing taste dry is a good martini or cracker🎉👩🏻🍳 "Pork roast was king". That makes sense if there is no gator tail to be had. I still want to try Chef Paul Prudhome's "Turducken" for a holiday meal. He was quite a character. Spent time with him at the airport in NO waiting for a plane years ago. Really nice guy.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 27, 2019 18:01:11 GMT -5
I just read an article on the pardoned turkeys that go to live out their lives on an old fashioned farm. Seems that because of the way they have been modified over the years through selective breeding, they can barely walk and can only live a few months. Really looking forward to the duck tomorrow.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 27, 2019 18:03:41 GMT -5
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Post by toshtego on Nov 27, 2019 18:16:29 GMT -5
I just read an article on the pardoned turkeys that go to live out their lives on an old fashioned farm. Seems that because of the way they have been modified over the years through selective breeding, they can barely walk and can only live a few months. Really looking forward to the duck tomorrow. That is why I liked the Embudo Turkey Ranch and their free range birds. Expensive but a more natural critter. We have the wild ones up the road in the mountains. I have never been able to induce one to walk out in front of my gun.
Weather permitting, I am scheduled to go to Toad tomorrow. My ex and her pal at their house. She is too ill with the post surgery recovery for any cooking but we thought Chinese takeout. There will be an order of Crispy Duck in there. Living in San Francisco long, long ago, Cantonese style cooking was popular in the Chinese restaurants. One of their great delicacies was "Pressed Duck". This is one of those smoked tea ducks which has been subjected to a duck press and then roasted or wok fried. Gelatinous and really good, a bit like Duck Confit but way better. Lots of Five Spice powder in there.
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Post by toshtego on Nov 27, 2019 18:32:12 GMT -5
Late breaking bulletin. Chinese Restaurant in Toad is closed until December 2.
This is bad. Real bad.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 18:35:49 GMT -5
Late breaking bulletin. Chinese Restaurant in Toad is closed until December 2.
This is bad. Real bad.
guess you'll just have to take a cold tater and wait, John.
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Post by toshtego on Nov 27, 2019 20:01:45 GMT -5
Late breaking bulletin. Chinese Restaurant in Toad is closed until December 2.
This is bad. Real bad.
guess you'll just have to take a cold tater and wait, John. I never heard of a Chinese restaurant being closed on a US holiday. Thought there was a law or something. I have spent so many Thanksgivings and Christmases in Chinese restaurants in cities across the country. I am ever thankful for these people and their dedication to being the last hope for some.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 20:14:01 GMT -5
I never dine out. Sorry your fave place will be closed.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 27, 2019 20:19:57 GMT -5
guess you'll just have to take a cold tater and wait, John. I never heard of a Chinese restaurant being closed on a US holiday. Thought there was a law or something. I have spent so many Thanksgivings and Christmases in Chinese restaurants in cities across the country. I am ever thankful for these people and their dedication to being the last hope for some. Ours is closed tomorrow, too. That's why I picked up the food today.
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Post by toshtego on Nov 27, 2019 20:44:18 GMT -5
I never heard of a Chinese restaurant being closed on a US holiday. Thought there was a law or something. I have spent so many Thanksgivings and Christmases in Chinese restaurants in cities across the country. I am ever thankful for these people and their dedication to being the last hope for some. Ours is closed tomorrow, too. That's why I picked up the food today. Oh, you sum smart guy. Not living in town, that was not an option for me.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 27, 2019 20:54:31 GMT -5
Ours is closed tomorrow, too. That's why I picked up the food today. Oh, you sum smart guy. Not living in town, that was not an option for me. Because of the traffic I could have cooked a turkey in the time it took me to get it.
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Post by calabash on Nov 28, 2019 5:34:47 GMT -5
I put mine in the fridge over night to let it dry before smoking. You guys do that?
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Post by taharris on Nov 28, 2019 6:12:42 GMT -5
I just figured out what mirepoix is. Never heard of it before.
Today is a good day. I learned something. 😀
Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
Todd
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Post by McWiggins on Nov 28, 2019 7:24:26 GMT -5
I put mine in the fridge over night to let it dry before smoking. You guys do that? It depends on if I'm stuffing the bird or not. If I am, then no as I want those juices to go into my stuffing while cooking. If not, then yes, it gets placed on a rack so air can get all around it. Cooking is serious business.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Nov 28, 2019 10:00:30 GMT -5
Dry brined, and air dried. Going in the oven right meow.
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Post by toshtego on Nov 28, 2019 11:11:18 GMT -5
I hope all of you are stuffing your bird and then letting that bird stuff you. LOL! Have a great day.
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