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Post by terrapinflyer on Mar 10, 2020 13:58:01 GMT -5
Howdy, it's been a while since I have been here, but want to pick your brains.
I have a Kaywoodie straight apple that I really like except for gurgle. It's a newer Italian made one, I think. Inexpensive, but loved. Do you think opening up the shank might help? I'm thinking of using a slightly larger bit in a hand-turned brace. I'm not sure, but the mortise seems deeper than the tenon. Venturi effect, and all that.
Will I make things worse by opening the shank slightly?
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Post by roadsdiverged on Mar 10, 2020 14:05:59 GMT -5
I did it with a gurgling Peterson B-10. No more gurgle what so ever.
It was to the point that I absolutely hated smoking the pipe so I was ok with destroying it in the process of trying to fix it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 14:43:24 GMT -5
This is pipe club; no gurgles allowed!
(That’s as far as I’m going with that line of puns. I’ll leave it to another to insert a good reaming joke.)
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 10, 2020 15:12:28 GMT -5
A tapered bit works best if you have one. Do the least removal of material that eliminates the problem.
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Post by roadsdiverged on Mar 10, 2020 16:31:27 GMT -5
A tapered bit works best if you have one. Do the least removal of material that eliminates the problem. This was my process as well. I went up sizes 1/64th at a time. It pays to have a bunch of sets of drill bits that have never been used |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 16:39:46 GMT -5
It depends if that's the reason it gurgles.
Did you check to see if the draft meets exactly at the bottom of chamber?
If the chamber was drill below the draft this will also make it gurgle in which case opening up the draw will do nothing.
Also if the tenon is a lot shorter 1/8" or more then the mortise this also could cause a gurgle.
I'd check everything first before making a assumption and opening up the draw too much.
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Post by Legend Lover on Mar 10, 2020 18:03:17 GMT -5
You could try it or also use some pipe mud if what Ron said is the case. That would bring the bottom of the pipe up in line with the draft hole.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Mar 10, 2020 19:06:53 GMT -5
 My experience with gurglers is not extensive but I resolved them with redrilling the tendon, worked for me!
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Post by terrapinflyer on Mar 10, 2020 19:31:02 GMT -5
Thanks, all. There's some things to ponder. Draft & bowl look well met. I'll measure tenon & mortise difference on the morrow, before I get out the chainsaw.
Nice to see some old faces here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 21:40:44 GMT -5
Re-drill it and open that sucker up.
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Post by chasingembers on Mar 11, 2020 7:36:14 GMT -5
It depends if that's the reason it gurgles. Did you check to see if the draft meets exactly at the bottom of chamber? If the chamber was drill below the draft this will also make it gurgle in which case opening up the draw will do nothing. Also if the tenon is a lot shorter 1/8" or more then the mortise this also could cause a gurgle. I'd check everything first before making a assumption and opening up the draw too much. All of my Danish Ben Wade and Preben Holm pipes are like that. Not one has a moisture problem. |
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Post by chasingembers on Mar 11, 2020 7:38:03 GMT -5
To the OP, if the draw is more restrictive, dry out your tobacco more for that pipe, pack it lighter than you normally would, and see if that clears up the moisture before drilling.
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 11, 2020 10:56:32 GMT -5
I have pipes the the draft hole is 3/8s inch above the bottom of the bowl and they don't gurgle. The short tenon can be a problem, but I haven't run across one yet that I couldn't fix with the tapered bit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 19:02:42 GMT -5
I have pipes the the draft hole is 3/8s inch above the bottom of the bowl and they don't gurgle. The short tenon can be a problem, but I haven't run across one yet that I couldn't fix with the tapered bit. I find that real hard to believe Ron, I'm not from Misery but, you'll have to show me.
When the draft is even 3/16" above the bottom of the chamber it has a tendency to collect moisture in that valley and once it gets enough you'll get a gurgle or a slight noise which is your draw pulling the moisture up the draft. Now maybe yours don't make a noise but, I can almost guarantee you'll find moisture in the heel or draft sir. Of course unless you only smoke Bull Durham or West Texas dust in your pipes.
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 11, 2020 20:23:39 GMT -5
I have pipes the the draft hole is 3/8s inch above the bottom of the bowl and they don't gurgle. The short tenon can be a problem, but I haven't run across one yet that I couldn't fix with the tapered bit. I find that real hard to believe Ron, I'm not from Misery but, you'll have to show me.
When the draft is even 3/16" above the bottom of the chamber it has a tendency to collect moisture in that valley and once it gets enough you'll get a gurgle or a slight noise which is your draw pulling the moisture up the draft. Now maybe yours don't make a noise but, I can almost guarantee you'll find moisture in the heel or draft sir. Of course unless you only smoke Bull Durham or West Texas dust in your pipes.
The dottle is wet. That's all. If we ever move up there I will bring you a couple of the most screwed up drilled pipes and let you see for yourself. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 21:11:41 GMT -5
I find that real hard to believe Ron, I'm not from Misery but, you'll have to show me.
When the draft is even 3/16" above the bottom of the chamber it has a tendency to collect moisture in that valley and once it gets enough you'll get a gurgle or a slight noise which is your draw pulling the moisture up the draft. Now maybe yours don't make a noise but, I can almost guarantee you'll find moisture in the heel or draft sir. Of course unless you only smoke Bull Durham or West Texas dust in your pipes.
The dottle is wet. That's all. If we ever move up there I will bring you a couple of the most screwed up drilled pipes and let you see for yourself. Like I said, so your mouth is most likely a lot drier then many cause I've had my fair share of poorly drilled pipes (by other makers) and high drilled ones gurgle on me every time, or the pipes in question are bents and they can look like there drilled high when in actuality there not because the draft comes in at such a extreme angle the draft hole looks higher. If you run a cleaner in it and it doesn't touch the bottom of the chamber then its drilled too high but, if it touches its most likely not. |
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Post by terrapinflyer on Mar 12, 2020 12:13:37 GMT -5
The mortise/tenon space is a touch over 1/8". I think the draft hole is small, though, and maybe I unknowingly puff a little harder, creating more turbulence. I usually smoke cobs sans filter, so I'm accustomed to a wide open draw. I'll play around with it. I like the pipe, but I don't use it much.
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Post by Darin on Mar 14, 2020 12:44:33 GMT -5
The mortise/tenon space is a touch over 1/8". I think the draft hole is small, though, and maybe I unknowingly puff a little harder, creating more turbulence. I usually smoke cobs sans filter, so I'm accustomed to a wide open draw. I'll play around with it. I like the pipe, but I don't use it much.
HEY!! You stopped by and didn't even say HI!??
Incoming, scathing e-mail! 
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Post by terrapinflyer on Mar 14, 2020 17:06:22 GMT -5
What, you think I have manners?
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Post by Mac on Mar 16, 2020 14:30:04 GMT -5
I have pipes the the draft hole is 3/8s inch above the bottom of the bowl and they don't gurgle. The short tenon can be a problem, but I haven't run across one yet that I couldn't fix with the tapered bit. I find that real hard to believe Ron, I'm not from Misery but, you'll have to show me.
When the draft is even 3/16" above the bottom of the chamber it has a tendency to collect moisture in that valley and once it gets enough you'll get a gurgle or a slight noise which is your draw pulling the moisture up the draft. Now maybe yours don't make a noise but, I can almost guarantee you'll find moisture in the heel or draft sir. Of course unless you only smoke Bull Durham or West Texas dust in your pipes.
Just checked several dozen pipes' draft holes, and none have that high an entry point in the heel. 1/8" would be maximum. While a 'well' in the heel would collect moisture, if there's enough to cause a gurgle, the problem is solved by smoking drier tobacco as well as making sure the heel isn't wet to begin with. Just my experience and interpretation of the laws of physics. |
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My experience with gurglers is not extensive but I resolved them with redrilling the tendon, worked for me!
