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Post by puffy on Apr 8, 2020 12:59:01 GMT -5
I've smoked a lot of blends from different makers over the years..The most of what I smoke though are Lane bulk products.In the last 2 or 3 years they have gone up by 50%.A can of Captain Black that I used to pay 13 bucks for is now over 3 times that much..Do young folks who have the high cost of taking care of a family and maybe student loan debt have extra money to get in involved in the ever rising cost of pipe smoking? I think the numbers say no..Check the ages of those of us on this forum..If the next generation isn't replacing us how long before companies selling pipe smoking stuff are forced to close or sell something else..I truly believe that we are the last viable generation of pipe smokers..I think that 25 years from now pipe smokers will be as common as transistor radios..Of course I won't be around to see if I was right.
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Post by gig on Apr 8, 2020 14:16:14 GMT -5
With the cost of tobacco continually going up and the amount of places that we can legally smoke being reduced continually its just a matter of time that smoking will be totally prohibitive.In the USA your tobacco is still very cheap compared to Australia where I am from. A 50 gram tin or pouch of tobacco retailing at 100 dollars which is why I don't waist a thing, I smoke it even if I don't like it and there's an automatic price rise every September or November.
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Post by roadsdiverged on Apr 8, 2020 14:33:14 GMT -5
I still consider myself very new. I also have a lot of kids between 2 wives. I've managed to put a nice size cellar together just by ordering stuff that's on sale, or in bulk. I would never "take away" from my families wants and needs to satisfy my own wants.
I've witnessed prices climb throughout my pipe smoking journey, and it's only going to get worse.
I dont think your generation is the last viable pipe smoking generation. However, I do think that the price will scare some people away. Pipe smoking has a rich history, and is often tied to memories. Those 2 things live forever.
My 10 year old has already staked claim on a few of my pipes. There should be enough in my cellar for him as well
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Post by Cramptholomew on Apr 8, 2020 14:34:24 GMT -5
What do you mean by "generation"? The people of smoking age today, 21 and up?
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Post by puffy on Apr 8, 2020 15:53:33 GMT -5
What do you mean by "generation"? The people of smoking age today, 21 and up? Very few of those young smokers are pipe smokers..A lot of them aren't even smoking..They're Vaping..I've read that the average age of pipe smokers is 55.That's the generation that I was referring to.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Apr 8, 2020 17:06:54 GMT -5
What do you mean by "generation"? The people of smoking age today, 21 and up? Very few of those young smokers are pipe smokers..A lot of them aren't even smoking..They're Vaping..I've read that the average age of pipe smokers is 55.That's the generation that I was referring to. oh, ok. On FB, a lot of the guys are late 20s and older. I'd say mid 30s and up would be typical on social media. When I went to the Richmond show this year, there were a TON of people in their 30s. I mean there were people of all ages, but it was a pretty even range between young and old. A lot of the newer pipe makers are 30s & 40s. So, there may be hope yet!
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Post by qmechanics on Apr 9, 2020 17:25:39 GMT -5
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Post by blackmouth210 on Apr 10, 2020 0:05:20 GMT -5
Cost is not the issue. It's just a lack of interest in pipes for the "younger generation".
Lots of 21-30 year-old people regularly spend on beer what it would cost to buy plenty of tobacco...and the tobacco will last a lot longer than that beer will. Young consumers also regularly spend in one weekend (for food, drink, etc) an amount equal to what it would cost to buy 2-3 decent pipes. And, lastly, you could put together a pretty decent tobacco cellar for what some of those 21-30 year old guys/gals spend on video games and video game consoles.
Pipes and tobacco are not too expensive for them. They just choose to put their money elsewhere. Many of us were like that, I'm sure. The majority of 50-60 year old pipers today probably didn't seriously start smoking a tobacco pipe before 30...with some exceptions, of course.
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Post by chasingembers on Apr 10, 2020 3:50:58 GMT -5
Cost is not the issue. It's just a lack of interest in pipes for the "younger generation". Lots of 21-30 year-old people regularly spend on beer what it would cost to buy plenty of tobacco...and the tobacco will last a lot longer than that beer will. Young consumers also regularly spend in one weekend (for food, drink, etc) an amount equal to what it would cost to buy 2-3 decent pipes. And, lastly, you could put together a pretty decent tobacco cellar for what some of those 21-30 year old guys/gals spend on video games and video game consoles. Pipes and tobacco are not too expensive for them. They just choose to put their money elsewhere. Many of us were like that, I'm sure. The majority of 50-60 year old pipers today probably didn't seriously start smoking a tobacco pipe before 30...with some exceptions, of course. 46 now and have been a pipe smoker since I was 17.
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Post by roadsdiverged on Apr 10, 2020 5:13:57 GMT -5
Cost is not the issue. It's just a lack of interest in pipes for the "younger generation". Lots of 21-30 year-old people regularly spend on beer what it would cost to buy plenty of tobacco...and the tobacco will last a lot longer than that beer will. Young consumers also regularly spend in one weekend (for food, drink, etc) an amount equal to what it would cost to buy 2-3 decent pipes. And, lastly, you could put together a pretty decent tobacco cellar for what some of those 21-30 year old guys/gals spend on video games and video game consoles. Pipes and tobacco are not too expensive for them. They just choose to put their money elsewhere. Many of us were like that, I'm sure. The majority of 50-60 year old pipers today probably didn't seriously start smoking a tobacco pipe before 30...with some exceptions, of course. I used my old "whiskey budget" to get my pipe and tobacco collection started, and still saved money. Thank you sobriety, you've been good to me.
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Post by cgvt on Apr 10, 2020 8:14:13 GMT -5
Even though prices continue to climb, pipe tobacco is still a bargain compared to other forms of tobacco use. I can smoke a pipe all week for the cost of a premium cigar.
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Post by puffy on Apr 10, 2020 10:35:20 GMT -5
One final post on this topic..I live in a small town..About 40,000 people live here..There are 7 or 8 vape shops in town.The nearest smoke shop is 10 miles away and they deal mostly in cigars.
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Post by Kerley0319 on Apr 10, 2020 10:53:20 GMT -5
Maybe it's just the area I'm in or the lack of a place to connect but I dont know anybody who smokes a pipe let alone anybody my age. I chat with the guys at the B & Ms frequently and even they are primarily cigar smokers. As far as I know they're no clubs around here.
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Post by daveinlax on Apr 10, 2020 10:58:36 GMT -5
My STG bulk at my shop has been the same price for a few years. Many of the Capt Black mixtures have a bulk equivalents that might save you some money. Keep in mind Lane is in the process of moving production to Denmark so things will probably be changing very soon.
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Post by instymp on Apr 10, 2020 16:56:40 GMT -5
Check out the price of a carton of cigarettes now a days. holy schmoly
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Post by BrunoT on Apr 10, 2020 18:21:29 GMT -5
I think it's a matter of interest, not money. There's some traction for pipes around here in the more "artsy" circles, but that's more likely occasional posturing rather than regular smoking or collecting. It's a quaint way to attract attention and some people like that.
Other than that it boils down to personal curiosity and, perhaps, interest in tradition. I did gift some pipes around and I've plenty of friends who will smoke a pipe with me as a matter of "manly" ritual, a way to relax couple of times a year. Only a few do so on their own. The common link seems to be a family member who smoked pipes, or this vibe of "reconnecting with the old ways" of sorts. Most people smoke socially and it's much easier, practical, and familiar to vape or hit a hookah bar if your intent is to produce a large amount of smoke and get a bit of tropical melon linger on your tongue.
For me, I appreciate quality and a sense of luxury in most things I own and pipes are no different. I can't say I care about the cost and mostly got into pipes because I like them as a showcase of fine craftmanship. The fact I can also get pleasure from smoking them is a bonus to me, as is the journey of developing your tastes and (for the lack of a better word) smoking skill as you go along. I don't smoke just to smoke, if that makes sense; I don't see myself as a pure collector either.
For most, pipe smoking is charming enough in a way that they'll enjoy learning about it from me and browsing through my collection, but also alien enough to not be something they'd look to add to their lives.
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Post by zambini on Apr 11, 2020 0:06:52 GMT -5
The truth is that smoking has in general become more difficult and pipe smoking is particularly hard. Learning to smoke cigs takes all of two minutes and vaping even less so. Smoking a pipe is, my guess, rarely someone's first mode of smoking. Pipe tobacco is to my mind pipe smokings big selling point; there are so many varieties out there and the tin art has more potential for recognition than a cigar ring.
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Post by Wizard on Apr 13, 2020 11:37:28 GMT -5
Yes the cost of tobacco is a factor in all this, but pipes are costly too. I live on a budget but smoke my pipes anyway. For me its too late to quit as I am now completely addicted to nicotine, & I luv my pipes & tobaccos. I am 64 years old & have been smoking pipes for 4 years.
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Post by Kerley0319 on Apr 15, 2020 19:38:38 GMT -5
For me the love of the hobby of pipe smoking came after actually diving into it. It started as an alternate way to get my vitamin N because I hate cigarettes , dont dip anymore, and vaping as much as I did was starting to give me headaches. Even with my PAD and TAD I believe it's cheaper than smoking or vaping.
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Post by CrustyCat on May 3, 2020 1:25:05 GMT -5
I started smoking pipes after age 50. Smoked cigarettes for at least 35 years and quit by vaping. I still vape, mostly at work or in the house. I've turned our mostly unused sunroom into my smoking room. Put in a tv and a rocking chair. hehe. I started thinking about smoking a pipe after I had been thinking of my Grandfather and the smell of his pipe. I started mostly because of nostalgia but have grown to really enjoy it.
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Post by dingobob on May 3, 2020 6:58:45 GMT -5
If the average age is 55, I'm a young smoker. I started smoking a pipe back when my family was relatively new: about 12 years ago.
My granddad was getting on in years, and I started smoking out back with him a couple of times per week. He had a big vegetable garden, and during the last two years of his life, we added about 10 rows of burley. We were able to get about 15 lb both years. We split it even then, and when he died, I split what he had left with his best friend who is a pipe smoker. I've still got about 2 lb kicking around in the cellar.
I work with younger folks in my daily life, and I'd say most of them aren't interested. The health concerns are there of course, but they're also living in a far more complex world than I grew up in. I don't know, really. Unless their grandparents or someone like that is into it, I doubt it even occurs to them.
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Post by pappyjoe on May 3, 2020 8:25:12 GMT -5
There are younger pipe smokers out there we just don't see that many on forums. The summer meetings of the New Orleans Pipe Club for the past couple of years had three or four pipe smokers under the age of 30 at each meeting. Several of them were students at LSU and in their early twenties. Problem is, they moved out of the area after graduation or to take better jobs. Some though stopped attending because most of our members are in the 40 - 68 age range and conservative. The young guys were mostly liberal. We just wouldn't let political discussions last long.
As for the cost, I'm not that bothered by it at this stage of my life. I'm 67 and get both my retirement check and social security and the wife does the same. This doesn't mean I throw money away, I tend to be frugal when it comes to buying personal pleasure items like pipes and tobacco. I'm more likely to buy used pipes from antique shops and malls than new pipes. I like to clean and restore the pipes. The only reason I just acquired two new artisan pipes from Ron Powell is because I sold a couple of estate pipes I owned.
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Post by Ronv69 on May 3, 2020 9:50:45 GMT -5
The tobacco is really cheap for how much I smoke, but the money I have in pipes offsets that by thousands of dollars. Pipe smoking can be a cheap hobby, but it isn't for most of the people I know. I probably have 5k worth of pipes, and I know that that's not out of range for a lot of people on the forums.
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Post by pappyjoe on May 3, 2020 10:26:39 GMT -5
The tobacco is really cheap for how much I smoke, but the money I have in pipes offsets that by thousands of dollars. Pipe smoking can be a cheap hobby, but it isn't for most of the people I know. I probably have 5k worth of pipes, and I know that that's not out of range for a lot of people on the forums. If I would have bought all of my pipes new and at retail prices, my collection would be somewhere up there with yours. In the past 10 years, I've acquired close to $3,000 worth of new, unsmoked pipes. The rest are estate pipes I found at bargain basement prices and restored. If I had bought those new, it would have probably cost me another four or five thousand.
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Post by ironclad on May 3, 2020 21:57:36 GMT -5
Pipe smokers are actually on the rise. In 2006, there were an estimate 800,000 pipe smokers in the USA. in 2018, there were 1.2 million. I haven't looked at the latest numbers.
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Post by chasingembers on May 7, 2020 0:15:25 GMT -5
The tobacco is really cheap for how much I smoke, but the money I have in pipes offsets that by thousands of dollars. Pipe smoking can be a cheap hobby, but it isn't for most of the people I know. I probably have 5k worth of pipes, and I know that that's not out of range for a lot of people on the forums. I hear you there. In my Bruce Weaver collection I have over 6k, not to mention the rest of them I've had over the past 30 years. As for tobacco, most recent purchase being 10 tins of Rustica, those balance out to around $.58/flake. So not too terrible.
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