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Post by peteguy on Apr 12, 2020 13:33:59 GMT -5
When you go outside the box you will get some "discussion". Doesn't mean it is right or wrong. Your take on the Sax is excellent and any critique is a personal preference only. Nothing can take away from the craftsmanship on this or any of your pipes.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Apr 12, 2020 13:49:36 GMT -5
When you go outside the box you will get some "discussion". Doesn't mean it is right or wrong. Your take on the Sax is excellent and any critique is a personal preference only. Nothing can take away from the craftsmanship on this or any of your pipes....and there is my slight bias that I mentioned...one thing about Ron's pipes...well, actually several things, is that they are always the very best that he can make and they always satisfy in the smoking dept. I haven't seen one pipe that Ron has made that is posted on his site that I wouldn't love to have. Each has his own distinct character in it and each one is more beautiful than any other carver that I have seen, in my limited experience |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 16:23:06 GMT -5
Ya know, I heard a lot of "I don't like this or I don't like that!" And as I explained before ya can't please all the people all the time. And if I had to try I would just give up doing it, because ya just have to make things that please you once in awhile to make it worthwhile doing. If I had made it as a commission it would be a different story getting a complaint from the purchaser. If I'm correct, this aint PMF and I didn't ask for critiques. I made it for me, and yes there was a question whether I put it up for sale.
But, that I haven't made my mind up about just yet. Just because someone doesn't like something it doesn't mean everyone will and vise versa. For instance, just about all the blends people taunt about I can't stand. That's just one, there are many others.  I enjoy many things about your pipes and designs Ron. In fact, one day I hope to commission pipes from you and Cramps. The only thing about this pipe, a pipe that I really like, that I would change is the artificial keys. I typically prefer my bowls/shanks to be made from one material, typically briar, with the exception of shank extensions from time to time (if done in in good taste ). When I look at the market I also do not see pipes with these kinds of additions selling very well, at least not in the artisan pipe world. This makes me believe that the Keys lower the market value of your excellent work. I would not want this to happen. Of course, if you keep it then who cares, enjoy your pipe young man. Like you, I do not enjoy a number of blends (Who does?  ) . If someone posts a positive thread or comment about a blend I dislike, I have the choice to comment or not. If I comment (After all that is what one does in a forum), I try to be considerate sometimes expressing my reasons: the blend's positive and negative points, my smoking preferences (English , Virginal, non-aromatic, aromatic blends etc. ) and/or alternative choices etc, giving context to my comments. Being totally onboard with being considerate and kind to one another, I also think that limiting posts to only positive comments can make a thread sterile and artificial. Personally, I learn so much from folks who point out other ideas and thoughts that I would not want to chastise a well considered constructive opinion, be it positive or negative.
I sure hope you continue to post all of your creations here at the forum. I love your work. Seriously, this pipe is actually one of my favorites among the pipes you have posted at the Briar Patch. As a former musician who enjoys artisan pipes with an abstract sensibility, it is right up my alley. If this pipe was offered and I could afford it (my finances are still horribly tight) I would take it with one humble request, can you please lose the keys? I make no comparison to Nate King, he is a true Artisan but, as for some of his pipes that are outside the box, they sell well, Very well. |
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Post by oldcajun123 on Apr 12, 2020 16:46:34 GMT -5
 I like the keys, it's an origional, one of a kind, Worhall did soup cans, you do pipes, Artist both!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 17:17:51 GMT -5
I like the keys, it's an origional, one of a kind, Worhall did soup cans, you do pipes, Artist both! Leave it to a Cajun to get it!  |
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Post by trailboss on Apr 12, 2020 19:12:06 GMT -5
Every-time I see the thread title, I picture a father wanting to unwind at the end of the day, with a son starting Saxophone lessons at the same time...Dad thinks to himself,"That blasted Saxophone!, why couldn't he take up the acoustic guitar?"
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Post by sperrytops on Apr 12, 2020 22:17:28 GMT -5
Ron, I think if the effect you wanted to achieve was a saxophone, then the valves on the side are part of that effect. I keep looking at it and think that for someone who is invested in music this is an amazing piece that would be put on a mantel. If I had it, I don't think I could ever bring myself to smoke it. It would certainly sit on the mantle as a work of art. The coming together of the briar and the brass. Just as I would never smoke a Dunhill Namiki, I would never smoke this pipe. It is a true one of a kind. A collection piece. Congratulations, Ron.
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Post by qmechanics on Apr 14, 2020 14:30:20 GMT -5
I enjoy many things about your pipes and designs Ron. In fact, one day I hope to commission pipes from you and Cramps. The only thing about this pipe, a pipe that I really like, that I would change is the artificial keys. I typically prefer my bowls/shanks to be made from one material, typically briar, with the exception of shank extensions from time to time (if done in in good taste ). When I look at the market I also do not see pipes with these kinds of additions selling very well, at least not in the artisan pipe world. This makes me believe that the Keys lower the market value of your excellent work. I would not want this to happen. Of course, if you keep it then who cares, enjoy your pipe young man. Like you, I do not enjoy a number of blends (Who does? ) . If someone posts a positive thread or comment about a blend I dislike, I have the choice to comment or not. If I comment (After all that is what one does in a forum), I try to be considerate sometimes expressing my reasons: the blend's positive and negative points, my smoking preferences (English , Virginal, non-aromatic, aromatic blends etc. ) and/or alternative choices etc, giving context to my comments. Being totally onboard with being considerate and kind to one another, I also think that limiting posts to only positive comments can make a thread sterile and artificial. Personally, I learn so much from folks who point out other ideas and thoughts that I would not want to chastise a well considered constructive opinion, be it positive or negative.
I sure hope you continue to post all of your creations here at the forum. I love your work. Seriously, this pipe is actually one of my favorites among the pipes you have posted at the Briar Patch. As a former musician who enjoys artisan pipes with an abstract sensibility, it is right up my alley. If this pipe was offered and I could afford it (my finances are still horribly tight) I would take it with one humble request, can you please lose the keys? I make no comparison to Nate King, he is a true Artisan but, as for some of his pipes that are outside the box, they sell well, Very well. As you inferred, the execution is different. The metal work in the pictured pipes appears to be a mixture of handcrafted and eclectic parts, dare I say organically married, mirroring popular steampunk and other related designs. No doubt there is a willing group looking for these creations. Examining the saxophone for comparison, the metal keys fall a bit short. Ron you are an artist. I believe you see it. I also think that you can execute a pipe that would make Nate King proud. With all this said I believe you can find a willing customer for different reasons. Still if both the current design and a twin, without the keys, were offered to a general pipe smoking audience, I believe the non-keyed pipe would sell better. There are other things besides the design that makes sales potentially problematic to some. What lies behind the keys? Do the keys compromise the pipe? Will the keys color fade? How difficult is cleaning/waxing the pipe? Will gunk collect under the keys? Ron knowing you I would not ask a number of these question. However to a stranger who does not know you these thoughts might also chase some away. If the saxophone pipe is merely purchased as a display piece then these questions also become mute. In the end you know your customers better than I. If they are predisposed to buy this pipe with the keys over the naked pipe, then I am truly happy for you. PS I have allot of respect for you and your abilities Ron. Mine is just one opinion. Any who might agree in part or otherwise with myself, I feel it is safe to say, would also agree that we think highly of your skill and person. Like I said minus the metal keys, this saxophone is one of my favorite pipes among those you have posted at the Patch. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Apr 14, 2020 23:38:41 GMT -5
Now Ron has deleted his account.
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Post by BrunoT on Apr 15, 2020 4:33:07 GMT -5
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Post by peteguy on Apr 15, 2020 5:12:28 GMT -5
Because of what q posted? If so, give me a frooking break. Pull up your skirt as my dad used to say.
If not, why, what the hell and howcome?
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Post by fadingdaylight on Apr 15, 2020 7:19:38 GMT -5
Not sure what went down, if anything. Let's not make any assumptions just yet. I shot him an email just now, see what he says.
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Post by fadingdaylight on Apr 15, 2020 12:04:58 GMT -5
I mentioned this over in the Chronicle, but I will put it here also. I spoke to Ron, he just decided it was time for him to move on. I asked him to keep in touch, and I truly hope he comes back, but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 20:36:42 GMT -5
Superb rendition of a Sax👍👍. The blast and the makers choice on a smooth lighter color rim really took some thought. For me the valves on one side shows it’s not just any pipe.....it’s a Saxophone. I wouldn’t think twice about purchasing this pipe......stunning craftsmanship.
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Post by Ronv69 on Apr 15, 2020 21:47:18 GMT -5
Because of what q posted? If so, give me a frooking break. Pull up your skirt as my dad used to say. If not, why, what the hell and howcome? He said that nobody did or said anything. He just thought it was time to move on. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Apr 15, 2020 21:48:31 GMT -5
Superb rendition of a Sax👍👍. The blast and the makers choice on a smooth lighter color rim really took some thought. For me the valves on one side shows it’s not just any pipe.....it’s a Saxophone. I wouldn’t think twice about purchasing this pipe......stunning craftsmanship. Watch his site in case he decides to sell it, or send him a "handsome" offer. 🤠 |
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) . If someone posts a positive thread or comment about a blend I dislike, I have the choice to comment or not. If I comment (After all that is what one does in a forum), I try to be considerate sometimes expressing my reasons: the blend's positive and negative points, my smoking preferences (English , Virginal, non-aromatic, aromatic blends etc. ) and/or alternative choices etc, giving context to my comments. Being totally onboard with being considerate and kind to one another, I also think that limiting posts to only positive comments can make a thread sterile and artificial. Personally, I learn so much from folks who point out other ideas and thoughts that I would not want to chastise a well considered constructive opinion, be it positive or negative. 
I like the keys, it's an origional, one of a kind, Worhall did soup cans, you do pipes, Artist both!
