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Post by Gandalf on May 8, 2020 14:49:22 GMT -5
Picked up a couple of old Jobey pipes. Cleaned and "sweetened". Need to fix a loose tenon on one. Both need a little touch up on the finish. Read an article that recommended Minwax stains - but I can't find a stain that is close in color - almost black. Does anyone have any experience with this? Am I going to have to mix a dark dark brown stain with a black stain? Any suggestions would be appreciated.  |
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Post by puffy on May 8, 2020 15:23:07 GMT -5
I seem to remember a pipe maker on a forum some time ago who said that he used leather dye.
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Post by Darin on May 8, 2020 15:28:27 GMT -5
Yep ... leather dye called Fiebing's available in several colors including black.
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Post by addamsruspipe on May 8, 2020 15:55:33 GMT -5
Fiebings makes a wide variety of leather dyes that would work for that. I would recommend you get everything else done first, see how it looks then decide on the stain. I have that top pipe and I found after I was done and ready for stain I liked it as it was. 😀
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Post by Legend Lover on May 8, 2020 16:39:59 GMT -5
What they said...
Nice pipes though.
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Post by Cramptholomew on May 8, 2020 20:05:16 GMT -5
I'd go for a mix of Fiebings cordovan and black. More cordovan than black, like 75/25. Seal it with a THIN shellac. Let rest for 36 hours, buff/wax.
About shellac:
Whatever you've heard about shellac not allowing briar to "breathe" is horse pucky. Briar is SO dense, the shellac doesn't even penetrate it. Even the stain on a pipe hardly penetrates it. I'd bet everyone has a pipe with shellac on it, and doesn't even know. You may continue on.
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Post by ironclad on May 8, 2020 21:30:47 GMT -5
Jobeys have replaceable tenons that you should be able to purchase for a couple of bucks.
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Post by Gandalf on May 9, 2020 0:20:45 GMT -5
I seem to remember a pipe maker on a forum some time ago who said that he used leather dye. I looked up more articles about refinishing pipes and leather die was used. Thanks for the info. |
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Post by Gandalf on May 9, 2020 0:29:42 GMT -5
Jobeys have replaceable tenons that you should be able to purchase for a couple of bucks. That might work. The slip fit where the tenon is inserted into the stem is loose. If the tenon is worn, a new one will fix it. If the stem is worn, I'll have to expand that end of the tenon. But your suggestion made me realize I can try the tenon from another Jobey and see how it fits. |
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Post by Cramptholomew on May 9, 2020 9:52:49 GMT -5
Jobeys have replaceable tenons that you should be able to purchase for a couple of bucks. That might work. The slip fit where the tenon is inserted into the stem is loose. If the tenon is worn, a new one will fix it. If the stem is worn, I'll have to expand that end of the tenon. But your suggestion made me realize I can try the tenon from another Jobey and see how it fits. First, try smoking it, and see if it tightens up. If not, try some wax on the tenon. If that doesn't do it... pipe maker's tip: a little CA glue swabbed in the mortise. That usually tightens things up well. Obviously, let it dry completely. |
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Post by Gandalf on May 9, 2020 20:18:09 GMT -5
Fiebings makes a wide variety of leather dyes that would work for that. I would recommend you get everything else done first, see how it looks then decide on the stain. I have that top pipe and I found after I was done and ready for stain I liked it as it was. 😀 I just need to touch up the worn spots on the front of the bowl you can see in the first picture below.  The rest of the pipe is good - just needs buffed up. Hard to tell in the low light, but the stem is green lucite.  |
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Post by Gandalf on May 9, 2020 20:20:24 GMT -5
I'd go for a mix of Fiebings cordovan and black. More cordovan than black, like 75/25. Seal it with a THIN shellac. Let rest for 36 hours, buff/wax. About shellac: Whatever you've heard about shellac not allowing briar to "breathe" is horse pucky. Briar is SO dense, the shellac doesn't even penetrate it. Even the stain on a pipe hardly penetrates it. I'd bet everyone has a pipe with shellac on it, and doesn't even know. You may continue on. Ordered Fiebings cordovan, dark brown and black last night. |
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Post by trailboss on May 9, 2020 20:43:23 GMT -5
I have a few Jobey's and they are fine smokers, I gifted a churchwarden in the box to a lady in our pipe club. They fly under the radar pricewise, given the opportunity, I will pick up a few on the way.
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Post by Gandalf on May 10, 2020 22:45:30 GMT -5
I have a few Jobey's and they are fine smokers, I gifted a churchwarden in the box to a lady in our pipe club. They fly under the radar pricewise, given the opportunity, I will pick up a few on the way. I'm starting up with pipe smoking again after 20 years. In the last few weeks I've picked up 4 or 5 used Jobey's on Ebay - and missed out on two others. I seem to remember smoking several Jobey's 20 years ago, so I guess my preferences haven't changed much. I prefer the heavier rustification (is that a word?) on the older one's compared to the new ones - and the new ones I want are out of stock everywhere anyway. |
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Post by chasingembers on May 10, 2020 23:05:25 GMT -5
That might work. The slip fit where the tenon is inserted into the stem is loose. If the tenon is worn, a new one will fix it. If the stem is worn, I'll have to expand that end of the tenon. But your suggestion made me realize I can try the tenon from another Jobey and see how it fits. First, try smoking it, and see if it tightens up. If not, try some wax on the tenon. If that doesn't do it... pipe maker's tip: a little CA glue swabbed in the mortise. That usually tightens things up well. Obviously, let it dry completely. I do this. Nothing to clean up and no having to redo it down the road. |
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Post by Cramptholomew on May 11, 2020 9:33:26 GMT -5
First, try smoking it, and see if it tightens up. If not, try some wax on the tenon. If that doesn't do it... pipe maker's tip: a little CA glue swabbed in the mortise. That usually tightens things up well. Obviously, let it dry completely. I do this. Nothing to clean up and no having to redo it down the road. yes, I've used that option before, but I'm loathe to suggest it, with the worry that someone bends their tenon off axis, and ruins the flush fit. That's a last resort fix for me. Also, it doesn't work for delrin. |
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Post by chasingembers on May 11, 2020 11:34:04 GMT -5
I do this. Nothing to clean up and no having to redo it down the road. yes, I've used that option before, but I'm loathe to suggest it, with the worry that someone bends their tenon off axis, and ruins the flush fit. That's a last resort fix for me. Also, it doesn't work for delrin. How does a delrin tenon get loose? They are nearly frictionless and the 360° degree compression of a swollen mortise won't compress them like ebonite. |
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Post by Cramptholomew on May 11, 2020 11:39:55 GMT -5
yes, I've used that option before, but I'm loathe to suggest it, with the worry that someone bends their tenon off axis, and ruins the flush fit. That's a last resort fix for me. Also, it doesn't work for delrin. How does a delrin tenon get loose? They are nearly frictionless and the 360° degree compression of a swollen mortise won't compress them like ebonite. different climates, the wood around the mortise shrinks, stuff like that. If someone uses wood that's too green, then the wood can shrink. I've never had it happen, but there's always the possibility. Mostly, though, this happens on integral tenons. |
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Post by chasingembers on May 11, 2020 12:20:50 GMT -5
How does a delrin tenon get loose? They are nearly frictionless and the 360° degree compression of a swollen mortise won't compress them like ebonite. different climates, the wood around the mortise shrinks, stuff like that. If someone uses wood that's too green, then the wood can shrink. I've never had it happen, but there's always the possibility. Mostly, though, this happens on integral tenons. Ah, that being the case I would just wipe the mortise with a wet Q-tip to rehydrate and swell the wood. It drives me crazy though to find a tenon where someone has heated it and smashed the end of it to tighten. Messes with the airflow. |
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Post by Ronv69 on May 11, 2020 16:09:23 GMT -5
I use boiling water on the rubber and plastic stems. I've never seen a loose Delrin® stem.
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Post by Gandalf on May 15, 2020 20:33:24 GMT -5
That might work. The slip fit where the tenon is inserted into the stem is loose. If the tenon is worn, a new one will fix it. If the stem is worn, I'll have to expand that end of the tenon. But your suggestion made me realize I can try the tenon from another Jobey and see how it fits. First, try smoking it, and see if it tightens up. If not, try some wax on the tenon. If that doesn't do it... pipe maker's tip: a little CA glue swabbed in the mortise. That usually tightens things up well. Obviously, let it dry completely. Smoking it didn't help. Put a new tenon in it and that did the job. I'll keep the CA glue tip in mind in case I ever need it. Thanks everyone. |
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Post by simnettpratt on May 16, 2020 11:28:23 GMT -5
Look at Ron gettin' all fancy with the ®
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Post by trailboss on May 17, 2020 17:02:27 GMT -5
Look at Ron gettin' all fancy with the ® You mean ®on! |
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Post by Ronv69 on May 18, 2020 11:32:43 GMT -5
Look at Ron gettin' all fancy with the ® You mean ®on! Ronv69© |
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Post by simnettpratt on May 18, 2020 12:42:28 GMT -5
Good thing we ain't on the same network, nircmd.
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Post by Ronv69 on May 18, 2020 12:46:51 GMT -5
Good thing we ain't on the same network, nircmd. initshutdown! |
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