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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 20, 2020 18:17:03 GMT -5
The R51 feels great in my hand, better than any other gun I've ever shot. But people either love them or hate them. I love it. Easy shooting low recoil and simple with the grip safety. And did I mention cheap? For some reason I always liked the look of the R51. Never held or shot one. Looks like the boat has been missed for the R51. It seems to be out of production and the prices are going up. A few months ago they were selling for $150-200. Now back up to $350-450,which is too much.
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Post by bigwoolie on Jul 26, 2020 19:39:51 GMT -5
My apologies in advance for hijacking the thread...but Im actively shopping for a new hunting rifle for this year. (Dont tell Shweetie). Ive narrowed it down almost exclusively to the new Henry X Model in .45-70. Ive killed everything from caribou and moose to grizzly bear with the .45-70, but the 13lb Winchester 1886 w/26" octagon bbl, crescent buttplate and buck horn sights I have now is getting too impractical and cumbersome. And I need glass more than I used to. I shot 1895 Marlins for years (the original JM stamped) but I foolishly sold my last one, and they're like buying gold these days.
This Henry X is pretty non-traditional in a lot of ways, but it sure looks like the perfect saddle gun, as well as a non-AR anti-ANTIFA truck gun.
(I'll still keep th AR)
Now, just how am I gonna convince Shweetie its a NEED?
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 26, 2020 21:34:14 GMT -5
My apologies in advance for hijacking the thread...but Im actively shopping for a new hunting rifle for this year. (Dont tell Shweetie). Ive narrowed it down almost exclusively to the new Henry X Model in .45-70. Ive killed everything from caribou and moose to grizzly bear with the .45-70, but the 13lb Winchester 1886 w/26" octagon bbl, crescent buttplate and buck horn sights I have now is getting too impractical and cumbersome. And I need glass more than I used to. I shot 1895 Marlins for years (the original JM stamped) but I foolishly sold my last one, and they're like buying gold these days. This Henry X is pretty non-traditional in a lot of ways, but it sure looks like the perfect saddle gun, as well as a non-AR anti-ANTIFA truck gun. (I'll still keep th AR) Now, just how am I gonna convince Shweetie its a NEED? The Henry is sweet, but don't you need something to reach a little further out where you are? I have 2 45/70s and a 30-30 Winchester, but I don't plan on shooting anything more than a hundred yards. If I thought I needed to reach out to 250 I would be looking for a 6.5 or something. Marlin, Savage and Ruger all have low cost bolt actions that are as accurate as most people can shoot. Henry makes a lever action in 308 and 6.5 Creedmoor that should be good to 350 yards and would look good on the saddle.
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Post by bigwoolie on Jul 26, 2020 21:41:22 GMT -5
Ive shot 500 yd competition with a 22" bbl .45-70 loaded with 69grn of black powder and a 520 grn cast bullet. With good loads, good glass and a range finder, 300 yards is pretty easy. Beyond that, I just let 'em go. I do usually keep shots under 150 yards, though. Stalking close is the most enjoyable part of the hunt.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 26, 2020 23:57:47 GMT -5
Ive shot 500 yd competition with a 22" bbl .45-70 loaded with 69grn of black powder and a 520 grn cast bullet. With good loads, good glass and a range finder, 300 yards is pretty easy. Beyond that, I just let 'em go. I do usually keep shots under 150 yards, though. Stalking close is the most enjoyable part of the hunt. BW, I was giving you an excuse for a new rifle. You "need a long range rifle", right? 😜 Oh, I missed the part where you sold your 45/70. By all means get the Henry. If I didn't already have 2 I would buy the Henry single shot. That type of action makes the gun short and easy to carry and shoot. My 32" single shot hunts like a 20 inch barrel bolt.
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Post by jay on Jul 27, 2020 18:07:16 GMT -5
Anything further out than 200 meters and I just call in artillery fire.
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Post by briarbuck on Jul 28, 2020 9:22:36 GMT -5
Just picked up a Mossberg Maverick 88 21" 12 guage 7 + 1. That will clear your nostrils.
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Post by toshtego on Jul 28, 2020 9:30:10 GMT -5
Just picked up a Mossberg Maverick 88 21" 12 guage 7 + 1. That will clear your nostrils. Are you planning on using the high base shells or heading for the Aguilar 1/s shells?
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Post by briarbuck on Jul 28, 2020 12:42:01 GMT -5
Just picked up a Mossberg Maverick 88 21" 12 guage 7 + 1. That will clear your nostrils. Are you planning on using the high base shells or heading for the Aguilar 1/s shells? All I have some 3" high brass combo turkey loads. Bunch of bird shot mixed with some buck shot. Going to take it to the range and see how it goes with both 2 3/4 and 3" shells. I probably will end up going low brass 2 3/4" combo loads for inside use. Less splatter...
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Post by briarbuck on Jul 28, 2020 16:33:18 GMT -5
Did some research on the Aguilla shells and will pass. Advantage that it would bring my 12 ga to a 12 + 1, BUT jamming issues are a problem. Sticking with 2 3/4".
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Post by adui on Jul 28, 2020 17:41:25 GMT -5
Just picked up a Mossberg Maverick 88 21" 12 guage 7 + 1. That will clear your nostrils. I had one of those, but I think Mine only holds 5+1 in the 2 3/4 inch shells. Fewer in 3" magnum and fewer still with the mandatory plug in for hunting. Your's must have an extended tube. In any case its a good budget shotgun that gets the job done reliably
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Post by briarbuck on Jul 29, 2020 8:10:55 GMT -5
Just picked up a Mossberg Maverick 88 21" 12 guage 7 + 1. That will clear your nostrils. I had one of those, but I think Mine only holds 5+1 in the 2 3/4 inch shells. Fewer in 3" magnum and fewer still with the mandatory plug in for hunting. Your's must have an extended tube. In any case its a good budget shotgun that gets the job done reliably OK, after more research it sounds like a Texas Company makes and rubber adapter for the mini-shells that keeps the gun from jamming. Takes my extended tube 7 + 1 to a 12 + 1. With 6 on the side that 19 shells on the gun. That's a lot of firepower.
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Post by simnettpratt on Jul 29, 2020 11:53:26 GMT -5
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Post by briarbuck on Jul 29, 2020 15:02:26 GMT -5
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 29, 2020 22:49:23 GMT -5
I have had 0 problems with the mini shells functioning in my single shot shotgun! 😆🤑😝🤠
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Post by simnettpratt on Jul 30, 2020 0:00:23 GMT -5
Another reason I like revolvers and single shots - stuff 'em with whatever you want! Would love to have a Ruger No 1 in 25-06. Could hunt anything in North America with the three different bullet weights.
(If you don't remember, a 25-06 is a 30-06 necked down to accept a 25 caliber bullet, and I think is under-appreciated)
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Post by puffy on Jul 30, 2020 18:14:15 GMT -5
Just wondering what you store your ammo in..Any concern about fire?
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Post by toshtego on Jul 30, 2020 18:24:31 GMT -5
Another reason I like revolvers and single shots - stuff 'em with whatever you want! Would love to have a Ruger No 1 in 25-06. Could hunt anything in North America with the three different bullet weights. (If you don't remember, a 25-06 is a 30-06 necked down to accept a 25 caliber bullet, and I think is under-appreciated) Had a .25-06 Remington for many years. Ruger 77. Good round but I prefer the .270 Winchester.
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Post by adui on Jul 31, 2020 0:39:31 GMT -5
Another reason I like revolvers and single shots - stuff 'em with whatever you want! Would love to have a Ruger No 1 in 25-06. Could hunt anything in North America with the three different bullet weights. (If you don't remember, a 25-06 is a 30-06 necked down to accept a 25 caliber bullet, and I think is under-appreciated) A bit light by today's standards but if the shooter does his or her job the round will deliver
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Post by simnettpratt on Jul 31, 2020 3:11:05 GMT -5
I like the round because it covers the full US range of game animals in one caliber, varmints in the lightest bullets, through deer sized in the medium, and up to elk in the heaviest grain. I also think it's a bit light for elk or moose, where a 270 would be a better choice, but 270's a bit much for foxes and gophers. Velocity is important to the 25-06 though, so you want a 24" barrel, not the 22" many rifles come with. Plus I'm weird and old school, so I'd much rather have an older wooden rifle in an uncommon caliber, than a fancy new plastic thingie in 6.5 Creedmoor, with a laser sight, GPS and email address
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 31, 2020 9:40:50 GMT -5
Just wondering what you store your ammo in..Any concern about fire? Mostly original boxes. Fire isn't a big worry. The ammo will pop if it gets hot enough, but it won't explode or anything. Buy the time the ammo gets that hot it would be the least of my worries. Ammo stored in the heavy duty military cans would be a slightly bigger problem, but still not that bad. Without the resistance of the barrel and the constriction of the chamber the powder burns, the case swells and the bullet pops out with little force.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 31, 2020 9:49:19 GMT -5
The 45/70 predates the 25 Whelan (25-06) by a half a century and still works. One nephew killed a record Boone and Crockett mule deer in west Texas with the 25-06 and many other deer and antelope besides. It's a death laser in open country.
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Post by rmb on Jul 31, 2020 15:03:40 GMT -5
Now, just how am I gonna convince Shweetie its a NEED? Look, if any of us were capable of consistently convincing our significant others of such important things as this, we would write a book and be a billionaire
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Post by toshtego on Jul 31, 2020 17:29:40 GMT -5
I like the round because it covers the full US range of game animals in one caliber, varmints in the lightest bullets, through deer sized in the medium, and up to elk in the heaviest grain. I also think it's a bit light for elk or moose, where a 270 would be a better choice, but 270's a bit much for foxes and gophers. Velocity is important to the 25-06 though, so you want a 24" barrel, not the 22" many rifles come with. Plus I'm weird and old school, so I'd much rather have an older wooden rifle in an uncommon caliber, than a fancy new plastic thingie in 6.5 Creedmoor, with a laser sight, GPS and email address I bought mine for antelope and smaller deer. Light for elk but a sure shot will take one. Good medicine for varmints, too. It is a useful round. .270 just has so much versatility and ammo is available about anywhere guns are available.
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