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Post by hvacpipeguy on Jul 25, 2020 9:44:16 GMT -5
I am wanting to get into pipe carving and am trying to figure out all I need to do that. I was reading a metal lathe is needed to make stems. Is that true? Why would a wood lathe not work?
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 25, 2020 10:10:41 GMT -5
Others will pipe in here, but I think it's got something to do with the metal lathe being more powerful or robust.
I could be taking out of my arse though.
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Post by trailboss on Jul 25, 2020 10:41:40 GMT -5
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Post by hvacpipeguy on Jul 25, 2020 13:51:00 GMT -5
Much obliged, Trailboss. That was exactly what I was looking for. Well, time to start saving up.
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Post by adui on Jul 25, 2020 13:53:00 GMT -5
I'm a beginning carver, and just now getting to where I make a decent pipe. I have only an old Craftsman wood lathe, a drill press, and some hand tools. I've recently learned to carve my own stems. My stems and pipes are not as precision as a metal lathe would make them by magnitudes, but if I do my part I can make a quality pipe with a quality stem.
That said, I am a hobbyist carver, I turn out maybe one pipe a month these days. If I was doing this for a living a metal lathe would be on my list of must haves, if for no other reason it gives me a way to duplicate my work more efficiently and precisely.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Jul 27, 2020 15:12:48 GMT -5
I worked on a wood lathe for the first months or so. The amount of busted shanks and tenons was enough for me to cut bait and move to a metal lathe. You want AT LEAST a 9x20. A 10x is even better. I have a 9x20, and I've been able to do everything with it. It's better to have precision, especially for stems and mortise work. You'll need a chuck and briar jaws. I have a Teknatool SuperNova2 chuck with Vermont Freehand briar jaws. You need a good sanding disk, a 1x30 upright belt sander, a good shop vac. I have a good band saw, too. A good set of files, needles files, a small multidirectional vise. Chamber bits can be made easily from spade bits. There's so much more... Check out my work at www.instagram.com/jeverettpipes/I make a decent pipe. If you want pointers or help, let me know. I'll be glad to get you going.
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Post by briarpipenyc on Jul 28, 2020 9:39:30 GMT -5
I'm not trying to discourage you but buying low quality tooling will result most often, in sub-standard results. Junk tools = junk pipes. Hobby-level wood lathes aren't accurate, and neither are the drill presses that are sold to most hobbyists. Tenon and mortise holes require the precision boring of round holes and reaming to size. A drill press will not give you the rigidity nor the accuracy of a metal-lathe or of a bench top, milling-machine. You'll need to bore concentric holes down the centerlines of your chosen materials, for both the stem tenon/shank mortise...a drill press isn't accurate enough to "drill" round holes, and unless accurately trammed, the table is often tilted, and not on the exact perpendicular plane (left to right, back to front) to the centerline of the quill. You-tube has some good videos that show the process. Don't do this step and you'll drill tilted, inaccurate holes.
That money that you'll spend on buying decent machines and all the tooling you'll need to feed these machines, will also allow you to purchase some commissioned, high-grade pipes from the experienced pipe-carvers. Ordering a $500.00 high quality pipe from a good maker, will serve you for a lifetime. Spending $500.00 for a metal-lathe, and some tooling, is chump-change. Then there's sanding equipment, cost of raw materials, cost of expensive premium briar blocks, etc, to consider.
Honestly, start your pipe-carving with those pre-drilled briar blocks. Make a couple of pipes from these blocks, and see where it all goes. Take all your time, and treat these cheapo blocks like they were premium briar, sanding, staining, polishing, etc. and get a feel for what it takes to create a quality pipe. You'll know a lot more about making pipes after completing a few of these pre-drilled kits. You-tube pipe-making tutorials, are invaluable....but they never show you the screw-ups, and scrap buckets filled with all the rejects.
Good luck with your endeavors.
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Post by joeman on Jul 28, 2020 12:49:26 GMT -5
I've been using a smaller, bench-top wood lathe for about 4 years for stems...not sure how you guys are busting up stems, but I've turned many, many a stem and I can count on one hand the number of breaks. However, I have a custom work holding tool which my friend made, which centers the bit end once that is shaped; it centers the bit end while you're working on the tenon end centered in the tail stock.
I certainly find no fault with anyone who needs or prefers a metal lathe...but a wood lathe works for me...and it was a cheaper one (list price was 300 I believe) from good ol Harbor Freight.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Jul 28, 2020 13:41:07 GMT -5
I've been using a smaller, bench-top wood lathe for about 4 years for stems...not sure how you guys are busting up stems, but I've turned many, many a stem and I can count on one hand the number of breaks. However, I have a custom work holding tool which my friend made, which centers the bit end once that is shaped; it centers the bit end while you're working on the tenon end centered in the tail stock. I certainly find no fault with anyone who needs or prefers a metal lathe...but a wood lathe works for me...and it was a cheaper one (list price was 300 I believe) from good ol Harbor Freight. I have heavy hands! I don't have the touch for wood lathes. I know a mess of people who only use wood lathes. I'm pretty sure Scottie Piersel uses a wood lathe for everything. I just like the metal lathe, which I believe affords me more control, and works at slower speeds. I'll HAVE TO use a WL, if I make a really long shank at some point, since my clearance on the ML won't be enough. I didn't mean to come across as saying a ML is a must for everyone, but it was for me. My tools would catch constantly, and PING!
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Post by rocket on Jul 28, 2020 17:58:42 GMT -5
If you do choose to use a wood lathe I suggest 1. Sharp tools 2. Sharp tools 3. learn to use each too correctly 4. Correct turning speed 5. Correct Chuck and jaws for the lathe 6. A good Jacobs Chuck for drilling 7. Make sure you have center to center between breadstick and Woodstock. 8. Sharp tools.
As for tools there is high speed steel and there is carbide the choice is yours.
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Post by puffy on Aug 1, 2020 17:11:05 GMT -5
I went to a technical high school back in the fifties..I learned how to use all those metal working machines including a lathe..I was offered a couple jobs in machine shops..I turned them down..I just don't like those machines..But then folks like different things.
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Post by ironclad on Aug 1, 2020 18:05:34 GMT -5
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