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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 10, 2020 7:24:35 GMT -5
Several years ago I was looking for a barber shop in Austin. I was downtown and the GPS routed me to a place in the country where there was nothing as far as the eye could see. I'm sure there is a barber shop there now, 20 years later. It also kept telling me that there was a Sam's Club on a block on the south side of 35. I drove around that block several times. No Sam's. I suppose the apps are only as good as the information held in them. If I put a location on Google and call it a name then Google will try to take someone there regardless of whether or not the place exists. I think they try to validate, but I'm, not sure. I've added a few places and they've appeared on the map.
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Post by pappyjoe on Aug 10, 2020 8:30:03 GMT -5
I believe there is confusion between GPS and navigation applications like Google Maps and WAZE. First, GPS has been around since about 1973 for government use (military) and it was developed to give a user an accurate position within inches for the military and within feet for civilian applications. This difference in accuracy is nothing new. Prior to GPS, the U.S. government used LORAN (Long Range Aids to Navigation) which was developed starting in 1940.
LORAN operated on low frequency radio bands - under 2 Mhz. The U.K. also had an electronic navigation system but it used a higher frequency signal than LORAN and while the UK system was more accurate, it didn't have the range the US system did. During WWII, Loran accuracy was within a 100 feet or so. As the technology improved, so did the accuracy. Loran guidance systems were used by the long range bombers in the European theatre and more extensively by all U.S. forces in the Pacific during the war.
I was stationed at a Loran A station in the mid-1970s. I wasn't an electronic technician but was trained as a watch stander and had a good understanding of how Loran worked. I don't remember the exact numbers but I was told that the Loran signals used by the military were more accurate than those signals used civilian/commercial applications. By the 1980s, Loran A was replaced by Loran C which was even more accurate.
The point of all this is simple. While the GPS on our smart phones can tell where you are within 10 feet or less, it doesn't help you navigate. Google Maps and other navigation systems, compares the data of where you are at to the data point of where you want to go and using other data available like maps to give you direction.
If you've ever seen a vehicle driving around with something that looked like a ball on a tripod, that was probably a Google Mapping vehicle. I was told that the data points it collects is what the applications use to give you directions. As for people who have been misdirected on mountain trails, that's because the system isn't accurate if it doesn't have enough data points.
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Post by simnettpratt on Aug 10, 2020 8:37:19 GMT -5
To make folks more and more dependent on electricity makes you more and more dependent. And less independent.
Younger people especially are becoming more and more dependent on someone providing electricity to stay warm, cook their food, find their way, travel, buy and sell, receive information, perform even basic mathematics, spell, communicate, be entertained and have friends.
Staying in the good graces of those who can shut off your power would become more and more important.
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Post by bigwoolie on Aug 10, 2020 10:07:18 GMT -5
Google maps relies on cell service. Several time, as in the mountains of North Carolina, I lost all cell service, and thus my map, at the most inopportune time. I keep a road atlas in the back seat pock of my truck.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Aug 10, 2020 12:08:43 GMT -5
Google maps relies on cell service. Several time, as in the mountains of North Carolina, I lost all cell service, and thus my map, at the most inopportune time. I keep a road atlas in the back seat pock of my truck. Like Bigwoolie...google is pretty good but I still keep a road atlas in the truck...feel much better having that as a backup, cause when you loose service, you are truly screwed.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 10, 2020 13:50:38 GMT -5
I remember the paper maps, but they aren't helpful when roads have changed and you've not updated your map. I've gotta say, I'm happy with Google maps and GPS. A paper map might be helpful in the middle of nowhere with no phone...problem is, if you don't know where you are on the map then it makes it tricky. Thankfully, in Ireland, you're never in the middle of nowhere. It's practically impossible to get lost. Since when did they change a road in Ireland?? 😈😉ðŸ¤
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 10, 2020 13:57:54 GMT -5
GPS, the Internet, and all that stuff is great until the first little EMP, which China might use any time. People aren't paying attention to what's going on in the world. That's another reason why we're moving to an agricultural area.
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Post by toshtego on Aug 10, 2020 15:05:03 GMT -5
I remember the paper maps, but they aren't helpful when roads have changed and you've not updated your map. I've gotta say, I'm happy with Google maps and GPS. A paper map might be helpful in the middle of nowhere with no phone...problem is, if you don't know where you are on the map then it makes it tricky. Thankfully, in Ireland, you're never in the middle of nowhere. It's practically impossible to get lost. Since when did they change a road in Ireland?? 😈😉🤠I cannot comment about roads changing over there. However, in 1972, in the Republic side of the border, the morning radio broadcasts included "The Black Hole" report. Newly formed pot holes on roads and highways were reported to the listeners so they avoid damaging their vehicles. It took a while for the lads to harness the cart and get out there to fill them.
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Post by instymp on Aug 10, 2020 17:04:31 GMT -5
Last road trip GPS took us around the Arch in ST. Louise 4 times coming home from SD to NC before I ignored & looked at the road signs.
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Post by toshtego on Aug 10, 2020 18:05:47 GMT -5
Since when did they change a road in Ireland?? 😈😉🤠I cannot comment about roads changing over there. However, in 1972, in the Republic side of the border, the morning radio broadcasts included "The Black Hole" report. Newly formed pot holes on roads and highways were reported to the listeners so they avoid damaging their vehicles. It took a while for the lads to harness the cart and get out there to fill them. I am not kidding entirely. In 1972, even in the western towns and cities there were plenty of horse and donkey carts working- hauling deliveries, street repair, etc. The lads still wore a suit to work with shovels and picks. Matching jacket and trousers, matching cap, white long sleeve shirt some with collar and some without. It was like an old movie.
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 11, 2020 6:14:53 GMT -5
I remember the paper maps, but they aren't helpful when roads have changed and you've not updated your map. I've gotta say, I'm happy with Google maps and GPS. A paper map might be helpful in the middle of nowhere with no phone...problem is, if you don't know where you are on the map then it makes it tricky. Thankfully, in Ireland, you're never in the middle of nowhere. It's practically impossible to get lost. Since when did they change a road in Ireland?? 😈😉🤠LOL. It does happen from time to time...normally main roads that get widened or turned into dual-carriageways. Roads coming off or onto the road then change as a result.
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