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Post by puffy on Aug 7, 2020 15:00:45 GMT -5
60 years ago when I was starting to drive my father taught me to read road maps..Back in those days most every gas station had them..I used them for a lot of years. Today my wife wanted to know where a particular road intersected the interstate..I got out my map.Right away she said..Why don't you Google it..I soon found it and all was well..Today I have GPS on my phone.Some lady tells me where to go..No need for maps.,I guess old things pass away..Some times it's hard for us old timers to except change though..I still haven't thrown away my road maps.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Aug 7, 2020 15:05:19 GMT -5
GPS don’t always get it right, I’m like you Larry, maps were my best friend when I was hotshotting. My road bum fuzzies freight or furniture deliveries, causeing them to go 5 to 8 Miles past their destination, don’t know why, and I don’t believe GPS notates underpass heights, something critical with a high load.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 7, 2020 15:59:01 GMT -5
I like maps where I can see ALL of the roads in an area so I can pick where I want to go on the motorcycle,how to avoid areas (like Dallas, etc that you just don't get from Google Maps. If you just want the fastest route GPS can be pretty handy. I can still visualize the route better with a paper map.
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Post by isett2860 on Aug 7, 2020 16:04:29 GMT -5
Don’t get me started on this topic. We could start several other threads along these lines. We were just having a conversation about this at work the other day. How many people teaching their kids to drive. Tell them let’s go to the grocery store. The same grocery store that this child has gone to all their life.But the child has to get out their phone and GPS it, because they have no idea how to get there.
So many people I am sure. I have no idea that the way highways, freeways, and interstates are numbered, actually mean something.
What ever happened to at least trying to learn a sense of direction?
When my kids learned to drive, I gave each one of them a road atlas. Of course each one said why would I ever need this? I have the GPS on my phone. And I told them if everything works out well. You will never ever need it. But trust me that night when you’re in the middle of nowhere America, and your thousand dollar smart phone stops working. And you have no idea where you are. That atlas may be the only thing that’s going to help you find your way!
Oh don’t get me wrong, I use my GPS all the time. Those long 2000 mile motorcycle rides between Chicago and Arizona. Google is telling me when to turn and where to turn, and which direction to go. And no, I don’t watch the map, that phone is safely tucked in my pocket. I just listen to it tell me what to do. And I like to wander off the beaten path. So I normally don’t take the major interstates. But I ride with peace of mind. Knowing that map, that has my route marked in highlighter. Is safely tucked away in one of the saddlebags!
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Post by kxg on Aug 7, 2020 16:11:25 GMT -5
I tend to use maps, on my phone. I don't particularly like the GPS feature unless I'm in a unknown area without a clue. It is nice to have both. Paper maps are fine, but are harder to store and becoming rare. I'd been driving my new truck for a year before I realized it had GPS; guess that tells you how much I use it!
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Post by toshtego on Aug 7, 2020 16:12:06 GMT -5
I still use printed road maps.
My favorite is an old "AAA" map called "Indian Country". It covers the Four Corners area.
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Post by toshtego on Aug 7, 2020 16:12:54 GMT -5
GPS is for Cruise Missiles.
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Post by instymp on Aug 7, 2020 16:38:31 GMT -5
GPS is great if you know where you are going. Not always right, nav system in the car messes up at least once on trips. Still have a Rand McNally in the car.
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Post by jay on Aug 7, 2020 16:39:24 GMT -5
Between Boy Scouts and the army, I pretty much have always been a map guy. I will admit that GPS has advantages, especially in the middle of heavy traffic, but there is something peculiarly appealing about a sheet of paper that accurately represents the land. I even gave some thought to a career as a cartographer, but....................
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 7, 2020 17:52:45 GMT -5
Between Boy Scouts and the army, I pretty much have always been a map guy. I will admit that GPS has advantages, especially in the middle of heavy traffic, but there is something peculiarly appealing about a sheet of paper that accurately represents the land. I even gave some thought to a career as a cartographer, but.................... Yeah! Orienteering Merit Badge here! 😁
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Post by Darin on Aug 7, 2020 19:19:02 GMT -5
I use both … especially off-road where a Topo Map is needed.
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Post by trailboss on Aug 7, 2020 21:45:04 GMT -5
The company that I work for has drank the gps Kool aid in demanding that we use the gps routing that is married to our service runs. It routinely takes me through routes where hazmat is forbidden, weight restricted roads where I am forbidden, and regularly tattles me out for speeding in zones that the posted speed limit is 10 mph over what the gps displays it being.
I am suppose to note mile markers and street names where there are discrepancies in that regard in unfamiliar zones where pulling over and making notes is a hazard.
I like gps in areas where remembering 30 turns using a paper map is inconvenient, but it has its limitations. The company is using Roadnet/ Omnitracs that is the brainchild of UPS, it may work for brown vans, but it sucks in a big truck.
There are better systems where you program in your rig configuration, 53’ trailer, doubles, hazmat, etc... that do a much better job, but they have put all their eggs in a basket that doesn’t produce. I was accused of having 44 speeding violations in one day, but I have not had a speeding ticket in 30 years, no moving violations and 3 million miles without an accident.
My days are numbered with the company at this point, and I am searching for a local job that will allow me to maintain my sanity.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 7, 2020 22:05:43 GMT -5
The system does not work that well for UPS either, I don't think. Ask Toshtego. 😉🤠
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Post by pappyjoe on Aug 8, 2020 7:47:36 GMT -5
I hate the phone apps that are supposed to help you navigate. By the way, GPS is the Global Positioning Satellite technology and is not the apps on the phones or mobile devices.
The phone applications are inaccurate at times and misleading at others. There have been a number of times I have used one of them to find a new location and have been sent in circles or a couple of miles out of the way. For example:
Last year, we were looking for a new store located in a small town 26 miles from us. I knew the general vicinity of where the address was and what exit to take. After taking that exit, the app had me make basically a U-turn, get back on the interstate and drive 3 miles to the next exit. I took that exit, followed the direction another 4 miles and arrived at the destination. The store was located two blocks from where I made the U-turn.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 8, 2020 8:08:24 GMT -5
Several years ago I was looking for a barber shop in Austin. I was downtown and the GPS routed me to a place in the country where there was nothing as far as the eye could see. I'm sure there is a barber shop there now, 20 years later. It also kept telling me that there was a Sam's Club on a block on the south side of 35. I drove around that block several times. No Sam's.
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Post by toshtego on Aug 8, 2020 8:32:30 GMT -5
The system does not work that well for UPS either, I don't think. Ask Toshtego. 😉🤠 I was going to add a similar comment. LOL! Those systems are only as good as the data base they employ Garbage in, garbage out, is the old maxim. I asked UPS years ago to make their address data base accessible by customers to add GPS coordinates. No can do. They would rather have their drivers wander around lost for an afternoon and then give up on the delivery. "Surepost" delivery to the local PO has helped some. THAT location, they can find.
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Post by just ol ed on Aug 8, 2020 9:00:07 GMT -5
our days of "out of county" gone; wife's overcall conditions the reason. Paper maps worked just fine when did '10 x-country to Seattle. '05 Ford Ranger had basic AM/FM/CD player radio. When replace same with Toyota Tacama, will specify simplest audio system with above. These fancy dancy techie stuff, no way...would have to have one riding with me to "program" the damn thing (wifie no techie either). GPS etc fine for those who can actually unnerstand the mostly gibberish words/phrases. Happy to stay lo-tech. There's enuf computers in modern vehicles as it is
Ed Duncan, Batavia, NY
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Post by pepesdad1 on Aug 8, 2020 12:58:50 GMT -5
My wife helped the navigating getting around the Atlanta interstate mess...she used Google maps and we were in pretty good standing...around Houston however...God what a mess!
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Post by sperrytops on Aug 8, 2020 17:21:47 GMT -5
Google maps has never steered me wrong (no pun intended). Certainly saves having to pull over to the side of the road to consult a map of dubious age. I think soon enough you'll see the old paper street maps on eBay selling for exorbitant prices as collectibles.
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Post by toshtego on Aug 8, 2020 19:11:58 GMT -5
AAA Multi-Fold, Baby! They never steer you wrong!!!!!
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Post by pappyjoe on Aug 9, 2020 7:54:08 GMT -5
The only app I find useful when traveling is Waze because it will alert you to traffic problems (law enforcement ahead) or hazardous situations like a vehicle broken down. Looking at the Waze map also shows you where traffic is congested or stopped. We only use it when traveling and its on my wife's phone.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 9, 2020 9:02:22 GMT -5
Google maps has never steered me wrong (no pun intended). Certainly saves having to pull over to the side of the road to consult a map of dubious age. I think soon enough you'll see the old paper street maps on eBay selling for exorbitant prices as collectibles. I think it's obvious that Google Maps would be more accurate where you live than some of the more remote areas of the country.
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Post by daveinlax on Aug 9, 2020 9:19:55 GMT -5
AAA Multi-Fold, Baby! They never steer you wrong!!!!! I love collecting official State Road Maps! I enjoy updating the collection as we travel. I wish I still had the bundles of the AAA Trip Tik maps from our epic family road trips that we took yearly.
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Post by daveinlax on Aug 9, 2020 9:36:50 GMT -5
Oh don’t get me wrong, I use my GPS all the time. Those long 2000 mile motorcycle rides I survived my last ride long before GPS but we had a lot of fun riding a lot of mid/long distance weekend touring/camping trips and I always tried to have the appropriate road map open in the clear top pocket of my tank bag. Those were some long days in the saddle.
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Post by orley on Aug 9, 2020 12:57:32 GMT -5
I lived in SoCal for 12 years, and couldn't have survived without my Thomas Guide, which was a thick loose leaf map book. Your could choose multiple routes to your destination. I'm not sure I would trust GPS in that zoo now!
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Post by sperrytops on Aug 9, 2020 18:58:43 GMT -5
Google maps has never steered me wrong (no pun intended). Certainly saves having to pull over to the side of the road to consult a map of dubious age. I think soon enough you'll see the old paper street maps on eBay selling for exorbitant prices as collectibles. I think it's obvious that Google Maps would be more accurate where you live than some of the more remote areas of the country. I hindi you are right there, Ron.
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Post by trailboss on Aug 9, 2020 19:47:01 GMT -5
As I get older, I can appreciate the convenience of gps or navigational apps, but seeing the current turmoil in society, it is beneficial to have a basic understanding of reading a paper map and have them on hand. Putting all one's eggs in a basket is not a good idea.
"Luck favors the prepared".
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Post by toshtego on Aug 9, 2020 21:03:21 GMT -5
GPS helped kill some poor pilgrim here years ago. It sent him onto a Forest Service road in mid winter. He got stuck in the mountains and died of exposure. His body was not recovered until Spring and by then, it was mostly eaten.
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Post by Stearmandriver on Aug 10, 2020 1:17:41 GMT -5
I use GPS in cars, airplanes, boats, and even on foot (hiking). I honestly believe GPS will eventually be seen as one of the transformative technologies to come out of the 20th century. Ask anyone who ever had to find their way across an ocean before it!
That said, I've always been a paper map guy too. I have old nautical, aeronautical, and topo charts hanging in my office. Hell, I even taught myself basic celestial nav just to see how it works. But yeah, there definitely is something to be said for a paper map.
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 10, 2020 7:19:34 GMT -5
I remember the paper maps, but they aren't helpful when roads have changed and you've not updated your map. I've gotta say, I'm happy with Google maps and GPS.
A paper map might be helpful in the middle of nowhere with no phone...problem is, if you don't know where you are on the map then it makes it tricky. Thankfully, in Ireland, you're never in the middle of nowhere. It's practically impossible to get lost.
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