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Post by toshtego on Dec 30, 2023 1:04:30 GMT -5
1911: 1.254”. SA35: 1.30” Mighty close. The M35 might just work if I can ever find one. I fear the scarcity of the Springfield has jacked the price beyond my means. If one shows up locally it may have quite a premium. I am open to it but may end up with an FN made M35. We shall see. Yes, I am aware of the differences between the Walther and the Hi-Power. I loved my P5 and regret selling it. |
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Post by don on Dec 30, 2023 1:12:07 GMT -5
John, a CZ75 is a fair bit cheaper and well worth considering if you like the feel of a High Power. The High Power was an influence in the design of the CZ75 for the Koucky brothers. The feel of the grip frame is very similar.
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Post by urbino on Dec 30, 2023 3:09:39 GMT -5
John, a CZ75 is a fair bit cheaper and well worth considering if you like the feel of a High Power. The High Power was an influence in the design of the CZ75 for the Koucky brothers. The feel of the grip frame is very similar. I know nothing of the Hi-Power so can't compare, but the CZ75 is pretty great in the hand for a whole lot of people, including me. Huge aftermarket in parts and gunsmithing, too. |
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Post by Plainsman on Dec 30, 2023 9:05:18 GMT -5
John, a CZ75 is a fair bit cheaper and well worth considering if you like the feel of a High Power. The High Power was an influence in the design of the CZ75 for the Koucky brothers. The feel of the grip frame is very similar. Yes. The CZ75 is a heavier pistol, but it has the advantage (if you consider it such) of DA/SA selectivity. A really beautiful, extremely well-made pistol.Not quite as svelte and lithe as the SA35. (Where does this “M35” come from?) |
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Post by Plainsman on Dec 30, 2023 9:31:16 GMT -5
The Springfield SA35 sold for $699 MSRP last year. It is now $799, but often available at a discount. (Both mine were.) If you think you can buy an original “old one” cheaper you will be disappointed. Most of the decent ones are now going for a over a grand since Browning discontinued the P35 in 2018. With SA’s success they recently brought out a “re-issue” but it’s heavy and cluttered and priced above $1000. I don’t like it much and think they missed the boat with their re-design. Currently the SA35 is the best of the lot IMO.
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Post by don on Dec 30, 2023 10:20:12 GMT -5
Agreed Bob. That new “High Power” Browning put out is not a true High Power. And it is terribly overpriced. I think you are right about the Springfield being the best choice. I wanted one for a while after they announced them. It took Springfield so long to start shipping them in enough numbers, for me to acquire one. Dealers around here would get one every now and then. They wouldn’t let you reserve one and weren’t taking orders either. Now I see them all the time. During that wait, I discovered I prefer the CZ. I would still like a clean, original Belgian model, though.
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Post by toshtego on Dec 30, 2023 11:57:15 GMT -5
John, a CZ75 is a fair bit cheaper and well worth considering if you like the feel of a High Power. The High Power was an influence in the design of the CZ75 for the Koucky brothers. The feel of the grip frame is very similar. The CZ 75 is a good choice, too. I like what I have read about them but never seen one. I like the Browning 1935 because it follows the pattern of the 1911 which I know well. Ditto the P-38 because I also know the P5 well enough. I feel to old to learn a completely new pistol. If a CZ75 shows up in town I might try it. I have read that the CZ 75 should not be dry fired. That makes it harder to evaluate the trigger pull before purchasing. Is that your understanding? |
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Post by don on Dec 30, 2023 12:06:30 GMT -5
There seems to be evidence that it happens often enough, that I use a snap cap on the CZ75.
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 30, 2023 14:09:21 GMT -5
1911: 1.254”. SA35: 1.30” Mighty close. The M35 might just work if I can ever find one. I fear the scarcity of the Springfield has jacked the price beyond my means. If one shows up locally it may have quite a premium. I am open to it but may end up with an FN made M35. We shall see. Yes, I am aware of the differences between the Walther and the Hi-Power. I loved my P5 and regret selling it. The Tisas varient is rated better than the Springfield in most reviews I've seen. The Springfield frame is made by Tisas in Turkey from what I've heard. My Tisas 45 is fantastic. |
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Post by Plainsman on Dec 30, 2023 15:37:39 GMT -5
I think the whole Springfield is a Tisas. They made some kind of deal that Tisas would stop making it and ship them the parts. They put it together but don’t make, is my suspicion. SA is not an honest company IMO.
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Post by urbino on Dec 30, 2023 16:25:39 GMT -5
John, a CZ75 is a fair bit cheaper and well worth considering if you like the feel of a High Power. The High Power was an influence in the design of the CZ75 for the Koucky brothers. The feel of the grip frame is very similar. The CZ 75 is a good choice, too. I like what I have read about them but never seen one. I like the Browning 1935 because it follows the pattern of the 1911 which I know well. Ditto the P-38 because I also know the P5 well enough. I feel to old to learn a completely new pistol. If a CZ75 shows up in town I might try it. I have read that the CZ 75 should not be dry fired. That makes it harder to evaluate the trigger pull before purchasing. Is that your understanding? A common hack for this is to slip an O-ring under the hammer. I think it’s a #4 but I’m not home right now to check. It wedges in there pretty tight. You can dry fire to your heart’s content without it falling out. |
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Post by trailboss on Dec 30, 2023 22:04:26 GMT -5
I received an HK VP9 in the mail today with tritium sights....I did not need another striker fired 9 MM, but a Christmas present is a Christmas present.
I might have to get dual holsters, but I need to work on offhand.
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Post by urbino on Dec 30, 2023 22:17:32 GMT -5
I received an HK VP9 in the mail today with tritium sights....I did not need another striker fired 9 MM, but a Christmas present is a Christmas present. I might have to get dual holsters, but I need to work on offhand. Those guys at the H&K factory are no slouches. Nice gift! |
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Post by trailboss on Dec 30, 2023 22:44:36 GMT -5
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Post by Plainsman on Dec 30, 2023 23:27:33 GMT -5
You got this in the mail???
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Post by trailboss on Dec 30, 2023 23:35:57 GMT -5
You got this in the mail??? Well it came Fedex with emblazoned signature required on the box, left without a signature. Not the first time it has happened, but not stressed either. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 31, 2023 0:42:47 GMT -5
You got this in the mail??? It's amazing what a quiet citizen can get away with. Machine parts. |
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Post by Plainsman on Dec 31, 2023 9:19:10 GMT -5
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Post by trailboss on Dec 31, 2023 10:15:31 GMT -5
Years ago I ignorantly shipped a Taurus back to the factory for repairs using the US mail.
It came back to me Fedex.
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Post by Plainsman on Dec 31, 2023 11:44:19 GMT -5
Over the years I’ve sent many handguns back to their makers for repairs or adjustments. The law says that if you already own the pistol the maker can ship it directly back to your address after they’re done with it. There have been some glitches. A long time ago I returned a K22 to S&W for indexing problems. The return is supposed to require a signature. I came home from work one day to find the package prominently displayed on the front deck. I felt very fortunate that it was still there. Definitely a *PHEW!* moment. Another time, also years back, I called UPS for a pickup. The female clerk asked what the package contained and I told her a firearm being returned to the manufacturer. She said she would NOT send a driver for that. I asked her why. “For the safety of our employee!” She replied. I got her name and later called for a supervisor. The package was picked up.
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Post by trailboss on Dec 31, 2023 11:58:14 GMT -5
Before porch pirating became common, a Fedex driver left 8 Bushmaster rifles on the porch of my neighbor that was an FFL. Fluorescent orange advertising and “Signature Required”.
My neighbor was in Chicago at the time, and told me that his credit card had been hit on an order that he had been waiting for. Once the cc gets hit, out the door the shipment goes.
He said he came home twice and S&W pistols were on the porch.
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Post by Plainsman on Dec 31, 2023 16:23:02 GMT -5
A while back we were discussing bears and handguns. I got curious and did some research on the subject. Found a listing of bear attacks and the weapons used to repel (or not!) them. Turns out there were several successful stops using 9mm auto-loaders. This got me to thinking. What you need for a straight-on bear attack is penetration. Shock-power doesn’t matter all that much, altho might be secondarily important. 9mm FMJ has pretty good penetration, much better than HP or SP ammo. So… A 9mm carrying 15-17 hardball rounds, plus maybe a 32-round mag in reserve just might not be such a bad choice for wilderness rambles in bear country. There’s the added benefit of little recoil to overcome between rounds. Hmm…
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Post by trailboss on Dec 31, 2023 16:30:07 GMT -5
A while back we were discussing bears and handguns. I got curious and did some research on the subject. Found a listing of bear attacks and the weapons used to repel (or not!) them. Turns out there were several successful stops using 9mm auto-loaders. This got me to thinking. What you need for a straight-on bear attack is penetration. Shock-power doesn’t matter all that much, altho might be secondarily important. 9mm FMJ has pretty good penetration, much better than HP or SP ammo. So… A 9mm carrying 15-17 hardball rounds, plus maybe a 32-round mag in reserve just might not be such a bad choice for wilderness rambles in bear country. There’s the added benefit of little recoil to overcome between rounds. Hmm… That conversation was probably about Dave Workman's contributions on the subject as he dispelled the myths surrounding bear encounters. Certainly, you can never have "too much gun", but there is also the truth about it all you want to have on your side. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 31, 2023 17:00:50 GMT -5
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Post by trailboss on Dec 31, 2023 17:16:52 GMT -5
Thanks for the link, Ron.
Dean Weingarten, not Dave Workman.
My fuzzy brain mixes up these DW gun studs.
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Post by Plainsman on Dec 31, 2023 17:31:40 GMT -5
Sure would like to know what ammunition the 9mms were using.
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Post by trailboss on Dec 31, 2023 19:35:46 GMT -5
Sure would like to know what ammunition the 9mms were using. FMJ on one: But if one had a crystal ball, and limited to that caliber it would be, Buffalo Bore hard cast for me. As always, shot placement is key. |
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Post by Plainsman on Dec 31, 2023 20:22:59 GMT -5
FMJ for sure if jacketed. I think I would use my own 130gr hard-cast lead with stiff handloads. But have to say— I would HATE to kill a bear. Would avoid it strenuously if possible.
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 31, 2023 20:30:55 GMT -5
If I was walking in the woods I might carry any number of handguns. If I thought there was a significant chance of meeting a grizzly I would want my 45/70. If it had to be a handgun, I guess my 350 Legend with the 10.5 barrel and a 30 round magazine. And a diaper.
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Post by don on Dec 31, 2023 20:55:59 GMT -5
I think it’s funny how many people are obsessed with bear and cat defense and don’t take a first aid kit into the woods, or enough water, warm clothing etc. They have a gun, but can’t build a fire or administer first aid. Stupid humans….
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