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Post by briarpipenyc on Jan 15, 2021 10:36:04 GMT -5
I'm making a pipe. I'm will be setting up the block of briar for drilling in a milling machine for rigidity and accurate hole locations. The shank will be roughly 1" (25mm) in diameter at shank/stem interface. Between bottom of tobacco chamber and end of mortise i will have to drill through about 3"-4" inches of briar. Pipe will NOT have a filter.
Question(s): What size drill should I use for the smoke hole? Should I use aircraft length drills. I would rather be conservative and use the smallest diameter drill and open up the smoke-hole if there is a need to enlarge it, in the future. My instincts tell me to use the shortest length and therefore more rigid/accurate drill bits first.... and then go to a longer drill, if needed, to complete the hole. Drill bits wander in material having variable density, like briar. This wandering concerns me. I want the smoke hole to be accurate and meet the bottom of the tobacco hole and not go off-center. Chucking up the briar in a metal-lathe and boring these holes, is not a practical option.
Mortise: What diameter hole is recommended for the mortise ...and how long a mortise? I will be using a Delrin insert glued into the acrylic stem material. I would like the shank to have thick walls for extra strength. (Note: I am not a frequent "stem twister" nor stem-remover. I usually clean my pipes with stem-in-shank, using alcohol dipped pipe-cleaners. I rarely remove the stem from shank during the cleaning process).
Should this Delrin insert be machined to completely fill the length of the mortise minus a few thousandths for expansion clearances?
Drill and finish mortise first.... and then, machine Delrin insert for proper lockup in the mortise?
Stem: Stem will have to be hand-shaped after drilling on a lathe. Smoke hole diameter? Diameter of smoke hole at button end? Deep-hole drilling in sticky plastic really scares me! Is there a lube to make this job easier?
Thanks for any help and suggestions.
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Post by taiguy66 on Jan 15, 2021 18:15:14 GMT -5
Great question all around! Alas... I’m not that guy but I’m sure someone on this site has the answer or can point you in the right direction. Good luck and please keep us informed of your progress.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 15, 2021 20:10:10 GMT -5
I have some lube for deep hole drilling, but I doubt it would work for your needs. 😜
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 15, 2021 20:11:54 GMT -5
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Post by briarpipenyc on Jan 15, 2021 20:46:33 GMT -5
Thanks for the links. Pipe Makers Forum is the place to go for answers. I do some research.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 15, 2021 21:10:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the links. Pipe Makers Forum is the place to go for answers. I do some research. Happy learning!
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Post by briarpipenyc on Jan 16, 2021 8:20:29 GMT -5
So, I spent most of all day yesterday, checking for some advice and answers on The Pipe Makers Forum, and got all the information I needed to plunge, with some degree of confidence, a drill bit into my briar block -that's set up in a rigid, accurate, milling machine. Very interesting reading thru all the tips, suggestions, admonitions that were offered by guys who know how to make a pipe I'm not one of them, but I'm gonna to try. If briar was a block of Aluminum or steel, I'd have no problems with drilling holes and predicting where the holes will go, but briar is burl-wood. Burl-wood has variable density and drills can follow the path of least resistance. Especially, long skinny drills, in long deep holes. Now, after reading thru the PMF, I think maybe I know what I have to do to minimize drilling mistakes, and what I have to do to prevent myself from taking that briar block out of the rigid milling machine and throwing that block of briar across the shop and denting the dry wall....which I'll ultimately have to patch, and repaint. You're right.....that deep-hole lube you offered will not work on briar...but it will work when-------ahhhh, never mind.
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Post by taiguy66 on Jan 16, 2021 8:27:12 GMT -5
Great stuff! I knew someone on the Patch would be able to help you out. Looking forward to seeing the final product via photos. Please keep us in the loop with your progress.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 16, 2021 10:58:52 GMT -5
So, I spent most of all day yesterday, checking for some advice and answers on The Pipe Makers Forum, and got all the information I needed to plunge, with some degree of confidence, a drill bit into my briar block -that's set up in a rigid, accurate, milling machine. Very interesting reading thru all the tips, suggestions, admonitions that were offered by guys who know how to make a pipe I'm not one of them, but I'm gonna to try. If briar was a block of Aluminum or steel, I'd have no problems with drilling holes and predicting where the holes will go, but briar is burl-wood. Burl-wood has variable density and drills can follow the path of least resistance. Especially, long skinny drills, in long deep holes. Now, after reading thru the PMF, I think maybe I know what I have to do to minimize drilling mistakes, and what I have to do to prevent myself from taking that briar block out of the rigid milling machine and throwing that block of briar across the shop and denting the dry wall....which I'll ultimately have to patch, and repaint. You're right.....that deep-hole lube you offered will not work on briar...but it will work when-------ahhhh, never mind. My walls in the shop are plywood, so denting isn't a problem. Did you find out about the couple of makers who can drill curved holes in the shank? 😎🤔😜🤠
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Post by Legend Lover on Jan 16, 2021 11:14:01 GMT -5
I wish you well in your endeavours... You've gotta show us your creation.
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Post by briarpipenyc on Jan 16, 2021 17:34:41 GMT -5
Thanks for the encouragement and suggestions/links, etc.
I made my fist pipe about 30 years ago and I used my dad's 1956 Shop Smith, Five-In-One table saw. What a PITA! The pipe was made from a huge hunk of Bubinga, which was very difficult to cut, and file by hand. But I did it and the pipe turned out very nice and smoked even better. I don't believe anything that I read about Bubinga not being suitable for making pipes, imo. Bubinga is double the weight of briar, but it smokes just fine.
So fast forward to 2020-2021. I'm ready to blow my brains out from boredom. I live in fkd up New York City, and everything is empty, or, shut down. Restrictions are ridiculous, and I can't stand going out and wearing a mask. I feel like I can't breathe.
I decided to try making a pipe, but this time using briar. When I was a younger man, I did and tried everything. I had a rudimentary shop with some not so sophisticated tools, but with some blisters, blood, and sweat, I managed to make some very nice things....including a flintlock pistol, primitive powder horns, knives from old Chevy leaf-springs. I was always the kind of guy that would rather be in a shop instead of doing nothing.
So this Wuhan BS has inspired to make a pipe. A giant, XL Magnum pipe. A squashed tomato that the size of an actual large, tomato. I bought me a gigantic hunk of briar from Raw Krafted pipe supplies, and I'm pretty sure think I can cut out my giant pipe from the block that Raw Krafted sent me.
I'm not sure how to "read" the grain-lines on the raw briar blocks, but it doesn't matter. I plant on hand-rusticating the pipe. Sand pits and any minor flaws will not be a problem since they will most likely be carved away/disguised. Briar is what it is....and I'll make adjustments as I go along.
My friend will let me use his Bridgeport milling machine for the drilling of the critical holes. The shape of the pipe will be roughed out on a belt sander and the rest will be done by hand files, and sandpaper. I like to work slowly, and make corrections as I go along. Machines are great at removing material... but not so great at putting back things that get cut away. Things happen fast when machines are used. These days, I work slower. What's the hurry?
I'll give updates from time to time. I'll definitely include some pics if I can manage to learn how to post them.
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Post by mrlunting on Jan 29, 2021 9:08:30 GMT -5
Bookmarked! I am very excited to see how your pipe turns out. And good 👍 on you, for doing something productive to occupy your mind!
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Post by briarpipenyc on Jan 30, 2021 17:25:25 GMT -5
So, the pattern for the pipe has been drawn, on graph paper, and I must have studied the side view of the pipe for hours. The centerlines for the tobacco hole, the mortise, and the smoke hole seem to be aligned and intersect at a place that I think will allow an extra long pipe-cleaner to pass without restrictions. I looked and studied the planned pipe long enough. It's time to crap, or get off the pot. But......
Now, I just need to grow a brass set, and work up the courage, the moxie, to stick that hunk of briar in a milling-machine vise, and drill the damn holes. I hate that feeling I get in the pit of my stomach when I'm uncertain of the outcome. But this I know: at the end of the drilling session, I'll either have the beginnings of a pipe, or, a wasted piece of $80.00 briar. It's gonna be one or the other.
This week I'll set up the date and time to visit my friends shop. Standing in front of a full-size Bridgeport milling machine can be very impressive, and a little intimidating. But, I'm gonna do it. I have to do it. The drilling of that briar block is right around the corner. I'm very grateful to have the use of a professional, dead accurate, milling machine for the drilling of the holes. Rigidity, matters.
I'll keep you guys posted.
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Post by mrlunting on Jan 30, 2021 18:43:54 GMT -5
I have this thread book-marked. I really want to know how it turns out.
Words of encouragement: You only live once, enjoy the experience. Go with the flow. And I am positive that you will create an amazing pipe.
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Post by rdpipes on Feb 1, 2021 18:07:26 GMT -5
I'm making a pipe. I'm will be setting up the block of briar for drilling in a milling machine for rigidity and accurate hole locations. The shank will be roughly 1" (25mm) in diameter at shank/stem interface. Between bottom of tobacco chamber and end of mortise i will have to drill through about 3"-4" inches of briar. Pipe will NOT have a filter. Question(s): What size drill should I use for the smoke hole? Should I use aircraft length drills. I would rather be conservative and use the smallest diameter drill and open up the smoke-hole if there is a need to enlarge it, in the future. My instincts tell me to use the shortest length and therefore more rigid/accurate drill bits first.... and then go to a longer drill, if needed, to complete the hole. Drill bits wander in material having variable density, like briar. This wandering concerns me. I want the smoke hole to be accurate and meet the bottom of the tobacco hole and not go off-center. Chucking up the briar in a metal-lathe and boring these holes, is not a practical option. Mortise: What diameter hole is recommended for the mortise ...and how long a mortise? I will be using a Delrin insert glued into the acrylic stem material. I would like the shank to have thick walls for extra strength. (Note: I am not a frequent "stem twister" nor stem-remover. I usually clean my pipes with stem-in-shank, using alcohol dipped pipe-cleaners. I rarely remove the stem from shank during the cleaning process). Should this Delrin insert be machined to completely fill the length of the mortise minus a few thousandths for expansion clearances? Drill and finish mortise first.... and then, machine Delrin insert for proper lockup in the mortise? Stem: Stem will have to be hand-shaped after drilling on a lathe. Smoke hole diameter? Diameter of smoke hole at button end? Deep-hole drilling in sticky plastic really scares me! Is there a lube to make this job easier? Thanks for any help and suggestions. I use a 9/64" for the draft hole and the same size for the stem in a tapered bit. My stem slot I keep at around 1/16" with a funnel about 3/4" - 1" deep. Button height is 1/4" or less with a thickness of about 1/8" of less. Chambers I try to stay at 3/4" and 7/8" and 1-1/2" deep or a little less depending on the pipe of course. Use aircraft bits only when you have to, sometimes they like to drift depending on quality. That's what I do, it's not written in stone.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 1, 2021 23:37:43 GMT -5
Sayeth the Master! Ron's pipes smoke better than the Radices.
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Post by rdpipes on Feb 2, 2021 7:57:39 GMT -5
Sayeth the Master! Ron's pipes smoke better than the Radices. Could it be your just a little Bias, I would say as good if not better. LOL!
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 2, 2021 11:55:05 GMT -5
Sayeth the Master! Ron's pipes smoke better than the Radices. Could it be your just a little Bias, I would say as good if not better. LOL! I have 14 Radice pipes. I guess I am biased.
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