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Post by oldcajun123 on Jan 29, 2021 9:07:07 GMT -5
As I pour my coffee, let Buddy back in, 38 degs this morning in the South. I settle down with coffee and turn TV on, I recive this wonderful news. Those wonderful guys being held in Gitmo, Guantanamo for you civilians will be getting the Corona shot next week. I will say no more while I get up and happily skip along.  |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 29, 2021 9:09:02 GMT -5
I would like to give them all shots myself.
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Post by briarbuck on Jan 29, 2021 9:09:32 GMT -5
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Post by toshtego on Jan 29, 2021 11:24:39 GMT -5
I, too, will be receiving a COVID vaccination next week and I will not have to travel to Cuba to get it.
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Post by SCF Dan on Jan 29, 2021 12:04:02 GMT -5
It is said that no one truly knows a nation until one has been inside its jails. A nation should not be judged by how it treats its highest citizens, but its lowest ones. - Nelson Mandela
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Post by swampgrizzly on Jan 30, 2021 21:25:20 GMT -5
As of sometime earlier today the plans to vaccinate the Gitmo prisoners has been halted according to several news reports. After some Republican criticism the Pentagon has announced it would pause it's plans to vaccinate the prisoners as they "review force protection protocols" whatever that means!
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Post by zambini on Jan 31, 2021 11:58:10 GMT -5
As of sometime earlier today the plans to vaccinate the Gitmo prisoners has been halted according to several news reports. After some Republican criticism the Pentagon has announced it would pause it's plans to vaccinate the prisoners as they "review force protection protocols" whatever that means! Sounds like they didn't realize it'd be a political/public perception issue and are desperately trying to find an administrative reason in order to get out of it. |
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Post by Darin on Jan 31, 2021 12:42:50 GMT -5
They can have mine and, apparently, most of the other staff's here at the hospital. Sounds like there's some real resistance amongst healthcare workers.
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Post by bigwoolie on Jan 31, 2021 12:56:03 GMT -5
They can have mine and, apparently, most of the other staff's here at the hospital. Sounds like there's some real resistance amongst healthcare workers. I have 2 sons in the military, and it turns out there is strong resistance to the vaccine there too |
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Post by Darin on Jan 31, 2021 13:01:16 GMT -5
Most of us figure we've already been knee-deep in it for a year now and have been exposed multiple times. Plus, a lot of people have gotten so sick from the vaccine that they have requested we get it when not scheduled to work. After not missing a single day through all of this that just wouldn't make sense.
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Post by Plainsman on Jan 31, 2021 14:49:34 GMT -5
My memory may be faulty, but I think when I posted that my sawbones didn’t want me to take the jab right away I got buffeted around a bit and advised to get a new doc. Or maybe I just imagined it. 8^\
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Post by kxg on Jan 31, 2021 15:00:06 GMT -5
I got the Moderna vaccine a couple of weeks ago, first shot. I had minor aches and fatigue for 24 hours, nothing more. I’m not sure why most anyone would avoid getting it.
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Post by Darin on Jan 31, 2021 15:12:35 GMT -5
My memory may be faulty, but I think when I posted that my sawbones didn’t want me to take the jab right away I got buffeted around a bit and advised to get a new doc. Or maybe I just imagined it. 8^\ Not from me but I did see that. We all have to make our own risk assessment and choices. |
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Post by Plainsman on Jan 31, 2021 15:19:34 GMT -5
My memory may be faulty, but I think when I posted that my sawbones didn’t want me to take the jab right away I got buffeted around a bit and advised to get a new doc. Or maybe I just imagined it. 8^\ Not from me but I did see that. We all have to make our own risk assessment and choices. We do indeed. And the unasked advice from i’net pundits is worth exactly what you paid for it.  |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 31, 2021 15:28:21 GMT -5
My memory may be faulty, but I think when I posted that my sawbones didn’t want me to take the jab right away I got buffeted around a bit and advised to get a new doc. Or maybe I just imagined it. 8^\ Yep, you did. It's hard to know what to do. My cousin sent me a video of some doctor saying that the virus is overhyped and the vaccine is part of a bi-somthing poison, or the virus is or something. I am so confused. |
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Post by Darin on Jan 31, 2021 15:41:06 GMT -5
Not from me but I did see that. We all have to make our own risk assessment and choices. We do indeed. And the unasked advice from i’net pundits is worth exactly what you paid for it. Yep ... I'll take my own personal opinion after 26 years as a Medical Laboratory Scientist over the media. Especially when it's being echoed back to me by the other health care professionals surrounding me. |
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Post by instymp on Feb 1, 2021 17:57:07 GMT -5
I got the Moderna vaccine a couple of weeks ago, first shot. I had minor aches and fatigue for 24 hours, nothing more. I’m not sure why most anyone would avoid getting it. I got it a week ago, stiffness in arm for 1.5 - 2 days, like a flu shot. Nothing else. Always have minor aches & fatigue. |
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Post by toshtego on Feb 2, 2021 11:23:58 GMT -5
Supposed to get mine tomorrow. Between 1:00 and 4:00 PM. Line forms at the rear! I am not sure if I can stand for three hours in the cold with my knee but we shall see how it goes.
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Post by Stearmandriver on Feb 2, 2021 19:40:09 GMT -5
I would still consider it good advice to find a new physician, if your current one doesn't understand vaccines. That's... pretty concerning.
There is a group of health care workers - some even MDs - who are anti-vax. They call themselves "doctors for America" or something. A shallow dive into the pedigrees of these folks tells you all you need to know. Many of them claim the virus doesn't exist (hard to explain the sequenced genome then, and its presence in all these sick and dead individuals...), and several of them blame these illnesses on sins, curses, witchcraft, demons and the like. These are supposedly DOCTORS. 😳
On the other hand, you're likely not going to find advice to avoid the vaccine from any legitimate medical source, be it a professional or research organization, a journal, or an infectious disease professional.
So... you can believe witch doctors, or rational professionals. The choice doesn't seem that hard, but that's just me...
Regarding the plan to vaccinate the gitmo folks, I'd guess it's less of a humanitarian effort than a practical one. They're in Gitmo because it's one of the only suitable facilities in the world, right? So if there's an uncontrolled outbreak down there rendering the facility unusable... where do we send them? I don't think there's a great answer. Might be easier just to vaccinate them.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 2, 2021 20:13:30 GMT -5
Well, there is at least one person that I wouldn't listen to.
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Post by trailboss on Feb 2, 2021 20:19:58 GMT -5
Shark infested waters would be a most excellent way to treat the Gitmo bound prisoner. If they are high profile enough to generate accommodations at that base, they pretty much deserve to be given a burial at sea....much more compassionate than what they would offer their enemies.
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Post by sparks on Feb 2, 2021 20:43:49 GMT -5
It may be more compassionate than what they would offer their enemies, and that is what sets us apart as Americans. For that, we should be proud. I don't think using the possible actions of our enemies as an excuse to sink to their level is the bar we should be aiming for.
How about looking at it from a different perspective if you can't see the humanitarian reasons for it. Vaccinating them protects our servicemen that are guarding them.
The fact that I have to explain this to anyone is a bit disturbing to me. I am a bit shocked with some of the things I read here sometimes. Everyone is so damn busy running to the far reaches of their side, they fail to notice the people they walk across in the process.
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Post by trailboss on Feb 2, 2021 21:00:58 GMT -5
Sorry Justin,
My son served in Afghanistan, and lost several buddies from the actions of those housed in Gitmo. He adhered to the policies and honorably abided by the UCMJ in executing his duties in escorting some of the players in that regard, that eventually led them to Gitmo. He is dealing with it as all as best he can, and in a rare night of letting his guard down he told me of the mass graves of women and children and innocent men that he witnessed in the course of his duties. And he witnessed a child having his throat slit because he talked to the American soldiers...but that killer was killed immediately afterwards, a few seconds too late. (That all broke my heart hearing what he dealt with) He is dealing with it all as best he can, but it was a pretty horrific experience that the average civilian has no clue of. My brother that retired as a Marine and served as a contractor confirmed everything my son said.
So many of the prisoners are living while they deprived others of their lives that were so senseless... and our military people for the most part, have been far more compassionate than the captured.
I do get your point, but my experience informs where I am at.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 2, 2021 21:11:50 GMT -5
Your position in life guides your morals. Things that are unacceptable to most Americans are subject to change when up against the wall.
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Post by jay on Feb 2, 2021 21:18:05 GMT -5
I get my first shot on 13 February. Wife got hers 3 weeks ago, because she's a pharmacist and deals with sick people every day she is at work. The national guard only got 900 or so doses to start with, and since my deployment for Covid is over, I don't get none from them...lol. I just find it interesting that the flu season has been so much less than normal...presumably due to masks and hand washing and generally be more careful. So there's that benefit, at least.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Feb 2, 2021 21:31:47 GMT -5
What Charlie says is spot on, even worse in some regions, we speak from experience, glad that most of you have not seen or experienced what some of us have. Being moral sometimes is not the answer sometimes you have to cut the head of the snake off before it bites you.
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