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Post by mtvernon45 on Feb 16, 2021 20:05:11 GMT -5
Yes, but only under English supervision. Seriously, the Irish were a big part of the armies on both sides. The North has the Irish Brigade including the famous 69th new York. And more than a few of the Irish said at the time that they were learning military matters to take them home and use them. That was Thomas Meagher’s expressed desire - to use the ACW as a boot camp for expatriates, so that after the war he and other Fenians could take what they learned back to Ireland and put it to good use. |
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Post by trailboss on Feb 16, 2021 20:17:15 GMT -5
On that, we don't know...grandma's tribe was wiped out.
Miraculously, the Catholic mission took her and great grandma in.
I wouldn't be here if that had not happened. Nothing special there I reckon. In every family I am sure that this happens.
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Post by mtvernon45 on Feb 16, 2021 20:27:50 GMT -5
My childhood was a civil war, 6 boys....brother fought brother. We went through reconstruction and all get along pretty well now though. Seriously, my family fought in every war since the revolutionary war on Dad's side. My ancestor by the name of James was listed as a union deserter for decades until my aunt did the footwork, found out he was in a hospital after being shot up and discharged at the end of the war. He quietly went home to live his life never contacting the gubmint, so he (probably unknowingly) was listed as a deserter. Aunt Ruby was hardcore though, she straightened it all out with a posthumous correction...the dogged genealogy researcher she was. Mom's side was native American, don't think they took sides. I like your aunt. Cleared the family name! There were cases of Indians joining the Confederacy and fighting in the West. Look up a Cherokee named Stand Watie. Also, this wasn’t a group phenomenon, but one of US Grant’s closest aids was a Seneca named Ely Parker. He drafted the documents of Lee’s surrender and was promoted to brevet Brigadier General. |
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 16, 2021 20:32:37 GMT -5
And more than a few of the Irish said at the time that they were learning military matters to take them home and use them. That was Thomas Meagher’s expressed desire - to use the ACW as a boot camp for expatriates, so that after the war he and other Fenians could take what they learned back to Ireland and put it to good use. It was Meagher I was mostly thinking about. |
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 16, 2021 20:34:40 GMT -5
My childhood was a civil war, 6 boys....brother fought brother. We went through reconstruction and all get along pretty well now though. Seriously, my family fought in every war since the revolutionary war on Dad's side. My ancestor by the name of James was listed as a union deserter for decades until my aunt did the footwork, found out he was in a hospital after being shot up and discharged at the end of the war. He quietly went home to live his life never contacting the gubmint, so he (probably unknowingly) was listed as a deserter. Aunt Ruby was hardcore though, she straightened it all out with a posthumous correction...the dogged genealogy researcher she was. Mom's side was native American, don't think they took sides. I like your aunt. Cleared the family name! There were cases of Indians joining the Confederacy and fighting in the West. Look up a Cherokee named Stand Watie. Also, this wasn’t a group phenomenon, but one of US Grant’s closest aids was a Seneca named Ely Parker. He drafted the documents of Lee’s surrender and was promoted to brevet Brigadier General. Brevet Brigadier Generals who stayed in the army after the war got to be First Sergeants. |
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Post by mtvernon45 on Feb 16, 2021 22:06:11 GMT -5
I like your aunt. Cleared the family name! There were cases of Indians joining the Confederacy and fighting in the West. Look up a Cherokee named Stand Watie. Also, this wasn’t a group phenomenon, but one of US Grant’s closest aids was a Seneca named Ely Parker. He drafted the documents of Lee’s surrender and was promoted to brevet Brigadier General. Brevet Brigadier Generals who stayed in the army after the war got to be First Sergeants. You’re probably more right than not! In his case, Parker was commissioned a colonel in 1866. |
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Post by longtom on Feb 19, 2021 14:02:46 GMT -5
I like camping but no I don't think I'm hardcore enough to do it in wool and without my Coleman stove lol. The closest I think I'll get is watching the Olustee reenactment outside Lake City. Two recommendations based on stuff that has come up during this thread... 1. If you're interested in learning a bit more about the whole CW reenactment world, this is a really good book:  2. The Chieftains and Ry Cooder (with many guests) made a really awesome album celebrating the San Patricios Brigrade. Not what you will expect but definitely worth a listen.  |
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Post by mtvernon45 on Feb 25, 2021 13:56:57 GMT -5
1. If you're interested in learning a bit more about the whole CW reenactment world, this is a really good book: That was the book I cut my reenacting teeth on, and I've since gotten to know the "cover model", Rob Hodge, a little bit. I haven't heard the Ry Cooder album, but if your think is Irish and Civil War, you should really check out David Kincaid's album, The Irish Volunteer. The story behind it's creation is really compelling as well. |
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Post by flatwatermonte on Jun 21, 2021 21:32:32 GMT -5
I started reenacting at the ripe old age of 13. My social studies teacher and my math teacher in middle school were both reenactors and we had a before school club devoted to it. We drilled with wooden rifles and had battle in the school gymnasium. That was 27 years ago... I am sure that would never happen now. The first reenactment I attend was over the Independence day weekend at Fort Kearny. I wore a borrowed uniform, shot a borrowed 2 band Enfield and sweated my you know what off in the 95 degrees in the shade weather, loving every last second of it. Continued reenacting until our oldest son, now 16 was born. Sadly, I sold off all of my gear to pay for our exodus out of Southern Florida during the 08 panic.
Can finally afford to get back into the hobby, but there are no longer any active units here.
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Post by trailboss on Jun 21, 2021 22:23:18 GMT -5
I started reenacting at the ripe old age of 13. My social studies teacher and my math teacher in middle school were both reenactors and we had a before school club devoted to it. We drilled with wooden rifles and had battle in the school gymnasium. That was 27 years ago... I am sure that would never happen now. The first reenactment I attend was over the Independence day weekend at Fort Kearny. I wore a borrowed uniform, shot a borrowed 2 band Enfield and sweated my you know what off in the 95 degrees in the shade weather, loving every last second of it. Continued reenacting until our oldest son, now 16 was born. Sadly, I sold off all of my gear to pay for our exodus out of Southern Florida during the 08 panic. Can finally afford to get back into the hobby, but there are no longer any active units here. When we lived at Ft Carson we would get the spent belts from the range and wear them Pancho Villa style to school. After school we would go to the DCM sanctioned rifle training. We never had school shootings…. But then again we weren’t hopped up on psychotropic drugs….Then some people thought they could improve the system. 🙄 |
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Post by john on Feb 14, 2022 17:04:27 GMT -5
In the mid 1990's I was a re-enactor for the 1st GA Vol Infantry, Confederate States Army, Irish Jasper Greens of Savannah GA. We were based in Lawrenceville GA and fought battles from Gettysburg to Florida. Appeared as an extra in the "Class of '61" movie. And you are correct, the best time was spent around the campfire listening to the men talk about their ancestors and where they fought. While the outcome doesn't change it does give one a perspective that schoolbooks won't.
The best honor I was given was to participate in an actual Confederate soldier's funeral in 1995. He was killed in Virginia in 1864 and was being brought home to GA by his brother. The family had moved to Texas just after the hostilities began. They got as far as the original homestead in Oconee County GA before being recalled to the front. The SCV and the University of GA heard about the incomplete trip and researched to find any living relatives that still would like to receive the remains. There were two elderly nieces, in their 90's, that said yes they would like to have him returned to them. He was exhumed from under a tree that he was left under, not in a cemetery, and placed into a period coffin made by a member of the church I attended. After laying in state for three days he was transferred from the GA SCV and re-enactors to the TX SCV and re-enactors. He then completed his journey to TX in a mule drawn hearse from the period. He was given full military honors when he arrived in TX.
Yes, living history is necessary if for no other reason but, to understand how things happen and why. History must be read through the eyes of those that lived it, not through our modern eyes. To truly know how and why things happened putting yourself in their place gives one a different perspective for sure.
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Post by toshtego on Feb 14, 2022 19:32:12 GMT -5
I am not a Re-Enactor but I do annoy Texans here whenever possible. LOL! (Glorieta Pass).
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 14, 2022 19:38:42 GMT -5
You had the Yankees behind you. Want a rematch? We haven't had a good scrap in a long time.
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 14, 2022 20:34:11 GMT -5
Annoying Texans is so much fun. And SO easy.
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Post by daveinlax on Feb 14, 2022 21:40:02 GMT -5
I can’t fathom anyone wanting reenact the confederacy. They were shameful traitors to the USA. The Lake of Fire is full of confederate soldiers!  |
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 14, 2022 22:39:19 GMT -5
Say you so? Everyone is entitled to his opinion, I suppose.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 14, 2022 23:10:46 GMT -5
Say you so? Everyone is entitled to his opinion, I suppose. Dave will find out for sure when he gets there. What number circle is trolls? |
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 15, 2022 8:30:21 GMT -5
Ron, have a heart. It’s hot work consigning other people’s long-dead relatives to lakes of fire. Even for trolls.
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Post by don on Feb 15, 2022 8:49:38 GMT -5
About 35 miles north of here in Colorado is Fort Something or Other. Built in the 1840s. They have a platoon of costumed re-enactors from the Mexican War. They have a Nine Pounder, too. I used to go there on the Fourth of July for the flag raising and the cannon firing. It was fun to watch. They strike up the band and raise the flag, fire the cannon and drill a little with long old smoothbore Springfield muskets. Too many Texans and Coloradans, the ones with the big hats, fancy belt buckles and new pick up trucks, refuse to remove their hats during the flag raising, or shut up or place hand over heart. They stand in front of me with their thumbs in their belts or such. I do get it but that is the way it is now. Lumped in with Texans……Sigh |
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Post by toshtego on Feb 15, 2022 13:52:14 GMT -5
You had the Yankees behind you. Want a rematch? We haven't had a good scrap in a long time. Yes, but how far behind? Mostly NM and CO boys. The state line just changed in 1861 making many of our northern NM residents CO residents. Two Companies of Regular infantry, the rest all local. |
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Post by toshtego on Feb 15, 2022 15:57:24 GMT -5
I can’t fathom anyone wanting reenact the confederacy. They were shameful traitors to the USA. The Lake of Fire is full of confederate soldiers! I guess that was the point of the war. Those Southern boys were loyal to their states. The USA was some foreign body. |
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 15, 2022 16:26:30 GMT -5
I broke my own rule: Don’t feed the trolls.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 15, 2022 17:13:56 GMT -5
I broke my own rule: Don’t feed the trolls. He makes it difficult, doesn't he? |
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Post by Rattlesnake Daddy on Feb 15, 2022 21:38:50 GMT -5
I started reenacting back about 1992. Portrayed a member of the 79th New York when I was living in Atlanta. Most of the the time we fell in with the 125th Ohio for numbers. Down there is was not uncommon to have 200 plus Confederate reenactors to maybe 45-50 Federal. When I moved up to New England, I decided to do the opposite and fell in with Co.F 12th Georgia. Unfortunately, my knees and ankles can no longer take the abuse of marching, so I stepped away a couple of years ago. I have an old tackhead banjo that I am playing around with, might try to get back into things as a civilian or someone who can help entertain around camp if I get good enough.
For family in the ACW, my Great, Great, Grandfather was in the 3rd West Virginia Cavalry. My Great Great, Grandmother's father was in the 62nd Virginia Mounted Infantry. I'm sure that made things interesting.
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