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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 12:39:45 GMT -5
How to remove a stem when all else fails - thought this might be helpful and give a little hope to some of you.
When I get an old pipe with an amber stem that doesn't unscrew, I always have to wonder if it's stuck or glued on. It seems to be half and half. Generally, if it doesn't turn and the conventional methods don't work to get it loose, I give up, clean the pipe the best I can, and smoke it.
So I've had a 7.5" briar Dublin, hallmarked 1895, with a 4.25" fat amber stem, laying around for about a year. It was a huge mess and the stem was stuck. I wanted the stem off, but was afraid I would break the bone tenon (if it was even still there). You really don't want to have to restore a 7.5" pipe with the stem on. To remove, I start with dripping alcohol at the connection point, waiting 15 seconds, then carefully trying to unscrew. Didn't work. So I put the pipe in the freezer for 10 minutes. Still no luck. So I gave up and started restoring it.
Fortunately it passed a long pipe cleaner, but not enough to clean out the mortise - stinky mess that smelled like the Boston subway. I carefully restored the bowl, outside and inner, then did my best to clean the stem. Finally, did the salt/alcohol soak, adding alcohol every now and then for about 24 hours. I left an extra-long pipe-cleaner in, with about 1/2" hanging out the mouth-piece end. After about 6 hours, the 7.5" pipe-cleaner was brown all the way to the end. So I replaced it and checked again this morning - the new one was brown!
I left it overnight and then his morning gave the stem a turn, and it turned! That alcohol-soaked pipe-cleaner did the job for me. The connection is in perfect condition. I will post pictures later.
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Post by trailboss on Mar 12, 2021 12:52:59 GMT -5
That sounds like a reasonable solution to a situation....quite often, them old bone tenons are so brittle that under the slightest pressure they break.
Thanks for the tip!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 13:46:25 GMT -5
That sounds like a reasonable solution to a situation....quite often, them old bone tenons are so brittle that under the slightest pressure they break. Thanks for the tip! Yeah, I wasn't so worried about breaking the glue connection of a glued-on stem, as I was that bone tenon. I have also figured out how to safely remove broken-off bone tenons from shanks without using a power drill, but not when they were actually glued into the shank or stem with non-water or alcohol-soluble glue. But I never give up on such problems. I'm about to go after another one using the same technique. This is the rarest pipe I own, so I'm a little nervous about it. Will post the results tomorrow.
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Post by sperrytops on Mar 12, 2021 13:47:27 GMT -5
Interesting. Don't think I have any pipes with Amber stems though.
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Post by trailboss on Mar 12, 2021 15:13:48 GMT -5
Wow, what a nice K&P!
Nice find!
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Post by peteguy on Mar 12, 2021 15:29:44 GMT -5
Sc0rE!!!
Very prudent to use patience on this type of issue. Especially if it is a bone tenon. They are so delicate that any pressure and they seem to pop. Well done!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 15:42:12 GMT -5
Sc0rE!!! Very prudent to use patience on this type of issue. Especially if it is a bone tenon. They are so delicate that any pressure and they seem to pop. Well done! Thanks. One other thing: When I gave it a twist this morning it felt like turning a screw through a piece of rubber - as opposed to no movement at all and then a snap, as it would do if it were breaking (no warning). So the alcohol loosened the gunk around the tenon and if felt rubbery as I turned it. I'll definitely be looking for that 'feel' as I try to unscrew the Kapp & Peterson.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 17:20:51 GMT -5
Woohoo! Just tried the stem twist and got the same 'mushy' turn, so unscrewed it completely and have a good stem base and good bone tenon!
So 2-for-2 with this technique and in the future for stuck stems that don't respond to traditional methods, after scraping the bowl I'll do the salt/alcohol soak with the long pipe-cleaner inserted through the stem. Good way to go into the weekend.
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Post by Gandalf on Mar 12, 2021 20:48:10 GMT -5
Great tip. Thanks!
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