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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 10:33:58 GMT -5
Good morning all, I was thinking of ordering a Peterson system 302 Ebony and wondering about the briar's breathability potential with such a stain? Other stains normally let the eye see most of the grain pattern. On the other hand, I suppose, for the black finish they use another type of product so it can cover all the grain characteristics. If anyone owns an Ebony or Dress finish from any pipe company, have you noticed any remarkable/slight differences with your 'regular' pipes? Thanks for any feedback, mates.  |
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Post by trailboss on Mar 13, 2021 10:37:17 GMT -5
I have never had one, but if you take your lady to Monaco and don a tuxedo, I think that pipe is required for street cred.
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 13, 2021 10:38:56 GMT -5
Good morning all, I was thinking of ordering a Peterson system 302 Ebony and wondering about the briar's breathability potential with such a stain? Other stains normally let the eye see most of the grain pattern. On the other hand, I suppose, for the black finish they use another type of product so it can cover all the grain characteristics. If anyone owns an Ebony or Dress finish from any pipe company, have you noticed any remarkable/slight differences with your 'regular' pipes? Thanks for any feedback, mates. I've got a couple and I haven't noticed anything different. Plus most Petersons have very thick walls so even less noticeable. |
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Post by sperrytops on Mar 13, 2021 13:15:40 GMT -5
Couldn't tell you, though I've been eying the Dunhill Dress for some time.
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Post by RDPipes on Mar 13, 2021 13:36:14 GMT -5
I really don't think stain is going to keep and wood from "breathing" (as controversial that is).
If anything it would be the type finish that is used. Now knowing how Peterson stains their pipes nowadays
by dipping them and getting stain in the chamber I've heard many people say it tastes horrible and they
sand the chambers clean of it. Something Peterson should be doing before even putting them up for sale.
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Post by trailboss on Mar 13, 2021 13:51:25 GMT -5
I really don't think stain is going to keep and wood from "breathing" (as controversial that is). If anything it would be the type finish that is used. Now knowing how Peterson stains their pipes nowadays by dipping them and getting stain in the chamber I've heard many people say it tastes horrible and they sand the chambers clean of it. Something Peterson should be doing before even putting them up for sale. I had read elsewhere that the first thing Laudisi did when acquiring Peterson was to address QC issues. Hopefully so, they must have had Otis the town drunk as pipe inspector. |
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Post by RDPipes on Mar 13, 2021 14:49:15 GMT -5
I really don't think stain is going to keep and wood from "breathing" (as controversial that is). If anything it would be the type finish that is used. Now knowing how Peterson stains their pipes nowadays by dipping them and getting stain in the chamber I've heard many people say it tastes horrible and they sand the chambers clean of it. Something Peterson should be doing before even putting them up for sale. I had read elsewhere that the first thing Laudisi did when acquiring Peterson was to address QC issues. Hopefully so, they must have had Otis the town drunk as pipe inspector. Well, I reckon we'll see but, until then I wouldn't buy a Peterson if they were the last pipe on earth. What they were and what they became is truly a tragedy and sad, they really use to be something.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Mar 13, 2021 15:13:04 GMT -5
I'd get a Ron made pipe before getting a Pete...at least you know what you are getting...perfection! If it wasn't a Ron made pipe then it would be a Cramps pipe...also perfection!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 15:49:40 GMT -5
I'd get a Ron made pipe before getting a Pete...at least you know what you are getting...perfection! If it wasn't a Ron made pipe then it would be a Cramps pipe...also perfection! I would certainly not contest such a statement.  |
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Post by RDPipes on Mar 13, 2021 17:08:11 GMT -5
I'd get a Ron made pipe before getting a Pete...at least you know what you are getting...perfection! If it wasn't a Ron made pipe then it would be a Cramps pipe...also perfection! I would certainly not contest such a statement. I would! I aint at Perfection yet, maybe someday but, not yet.
Strange how I was just saying this to someone a minute ago about the same thing.............that's eerie!
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 13, 2021 17:48:26 GMT -5
I really don't think stain is going to keep and wood from "breathing" (as controversial that is). If anything it would be the type finish that is used. Now knowing how Peterson stains their pipes nowadays by dipping them and getting stain in the chamber I've heard many people say it tastes horrible and they sand the chambers clean of it. Something Peterson should be doing before even putting them up for sale. My System Deluxe bowl was stain free. |
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Post by RDPipes on Mar 13, 2021 18:17:21 GMT -5
I really don't think stain is going to keep and wood from "breathing" (as controversial that is). If anything it would be the type finish that is used. Now knowing how Peterson stains their pipes nowadays by dipping them and getting stain in the chamber I've heard many people say it tastes horrible and they sand the chambers clean of it. Something Peterson should be doing before even putting them up for sale. My System Deluxe bowl was stain free. Yeah, I'm led to believe the cheaper lines are dip stained but, it's no excuse and no way to try and save a buck. We'll see if things change now, I hope they do.
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 13, 2021 20:58:43 GMT -5
My System Deluxe bowl was stain free. Yeah, I'm led to believe the cheaper lines are dip stained but, it's no excuse and no way to try and save a buck. We'll see if things change now, I hope they do.
I'm looking forward to seeing what a $94 RDpipes looks like. 😁🤠 |
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Post by RDPipes on Mar 14, 2021 7:29:17 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm led to believe the cheaper lines are dip stained but, it's no excuse and no way to try and save a buck. We'll see if things change now, I hope they do.
I'm looking forward to seeing what a $94 RDpipes looks like. 😁🤠 Ya know there's ways of make some things more affordable and then there's not. Taking a decent pipe and making it a piece of crap is not one of'em.
I can't make a $94 dollar pipe sorry.
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Post by RDPipes on Mar 14, 2021 8:21:31 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to seeing what a $94 RDpipes looks like. 😁🤠 Ya know there's ways of make some things more affordable and then there's not. Taking a decent pipe and making it a piece of crap is not one of'em.
I can't make a $94 dollar pipe sorry.
Let's put it this way, If I did quality would not be compromised for price. My name's on it and won't be intentional compromised for anything.
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 14, 2021 10:15:27 GMT -5
Ya know there's ways of make some things more affordable and then there's not. Taking a decent pipe and making it a piece of crap is not one of'em.
I can't make a $94 dollar pipe sorry.
Let's put it this way, If I did quality would not be compromised for price. My name's on it and won't be intentional compromised for anything.
Hey, I was just kidding buddy. You're pipesare completely different animal. I think that Peterson makes excellent smoking devices and some of them are very nice, but they are not the works of art that you produce, nor do they smoke as well as your pipes. I believe that your pipes are a bargain and sell for less than what they should go for. |
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Post by RDPipes on Mar 14, 2021 10:31:26 GMT -5
Let's put it this way, If I did quality would not be compromised for price. My name's on it and won't be intentional compromised for anything.
Hey, I was just kidding buddy. You're pipesare completely different animal. I think that Peterson makes excellent smoking devices and some of them are very nice, but they are not the works of art that you produce, nor do they smoke as well as your pipes. I believe that your pipes are a bargain and sell for less than what they should go for. Sorry, I just don't take what I do in a joking manner, I'm pretty serious about making anything that has my name on it. My pipes have not always been as good as they should have been in the past and that I must live with and try to repair. My goal is perfection, something that I'll never achieve but, I still strive to get near enough to please myself whether that be
right or wrong I hope my customers still appreciate it.
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Post by fadingdaylight on Mar 14, 2021 13:36:35 GMT -5
Hey, I was just kidding buddy. You're pipesare completely different animal. I think that Peterson makes excellent smoking devices and some of them are very nice, but they are not the works of art that you produce, nor do they smoke as well as your pipes. I believe that your pipes are a bargain and sell for less than what they should go for. Sorry, I just don't take what I do in a joking manner, I'm pretty serious about making anything that has my name on it. My pipes have not always been as good as they should have been in the past and that I must live with and try to repair. My goal is perfection, something that I'll never achieve but, I still strive to get near enough to please myself whether that be
right or wrong I hope my customers still appreciate it.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Mar 14, 2021 14:01:50 GMT -5
A $94.00 Ron pipe isn't possible! The workmanship and quality stem and stummel, can't be found for that little amount of money.
Well, Ron of RdPipes...you say they aren't perfect, but I haven't seen one that wasn't perfect...and as you say, if it has your name on it, it is as perfect as you can make them...I love my 3 that you made and in case of fire or imminent destruction, what I grab first is your pipes and some tobacco, the pup and my wife, of course go into that first category.
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Post by RDPipes on Mar 14, 2021 15:12:13 GMT -5
Thank you Gentlemen!
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Post by qmechanics on Mar 15, 2021 11:28:49 GMT -5
I am having flashbacks to Ken Starr...
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Post by sperrytops on Mar 15, 2021 11:38:44 GMT -5
Comparing Peterson and RD is like comparing apples and oranges. Peterson being the mass produced Ford, RD the the custom built Alfa Romeo. Both have their place, but which would you rather be driving?
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Post by qmechanics on Mar 15, 2021 12:39:58 GMT -5
Comparing Peterson and RD is like comparing apples and oranges. Peterson being the mass produced Ford, RD the the custom built Alfa Romeo. Both have their place, but which would you rather be driving? A ZR1 C8 ...whenever it comes out....  |
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 15, 2021 13:37:52 GMT -5
Comparing Peterson and RD is like comparing apples and oranges. Peterson being the mass produced Ford, RD the the custom built Alfa Romeo. Both have their place, but which would you rather be driving? Have you ever had an Alfa? They LOOK good... 😜 |
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Post by daveinlax on Mar 15, 2021 15:20:26 GMT -5
Over the years I’ve read a handful of guys complaining about Peterson’s black and green finish bubbling but I wouldn’t let stop me from buying one. I have experienced Duhnhill Dress and Black Briar pipes. They are more like a transparent black over other colors for very distinctive undertones. Castello’s Perla Nera is a solid black lacquer that would be closer to Dunhill’s Namiki finish.  |
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Post by daveinlax on Mar 17, 2021 10:29:53 GMT -5
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Post by sperrytops on Mar 17, 2021 12:59:13 GMT -5
Comparing Peterson and RD is like comparing apples and oranges. Peterson being the mass produced Ford, RD the the custom built Alfa Romeo. Both have their place, but which would you rather be driving? Have you ever had an Alfa? They LOOK good... 😜 I think you're right there. In the garage as much as it's out. Rather like the old MGB I had when I was in school. |
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Post by thewingedsloth on Mar 30, 2021 11:57:51 GMT -5
Hi!
I have a peterson 107 silver spigot in ebony.
Purchased from tobaccopipes about a month ago.
When it arrived I noticed the pre-carbon coating was flaking off.
Under inspection i found an area that seemed to have not adhered due to the ebony finish.
Being towards the rim and the rest appearing intact led me to be a bit careful with my break in with an eye to the bare part of the bowl.
The "hotzone" had a good layer so I packed it full and smoked slow.
Within a few bowls the bare section was covered with a first layer. At this point there is a good layer to the bottom..(I always break in a pipe from top to bottom then just smoke normally)
The 107 has come along wonderfully!
I read that ebony is not the same as varnish and does not impart any odd flavors or burn in any way.
You should be just fine once a few bowls have been put through it!.
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Post by thewingedsloth on Mar 30, 2021 12:14:44 GMT -5
I would like to add that my two new petes are a bit bland with some issues in fit and finish. My newgrange x105 spigot has a burr on the edge of the silver ferrule, and the 107 has a tool mark on the stem side silver hallmark.
The sloppy ebony finish in the bowl of the 107.
Contrasted against my pete kinsale xl13 bulldog they are not as interesting. The kinsale has a wonderful rustication with a solid briar foundation and absolutely no visible flaws anywhere. Smokes cooler as well. But it is hefty and the 107 is actually a bit lighter while being larger.
So I agree with other posters that petersons is a mass producer of pipes and leave some details un-addressed due to that fact.
But are the mass produced pipes really not as good?
I will learn the answer this year and will post about how well they have settled in.
A restored peterson from any time prior to 1999 might give valuable insight as my kinsale seems almost from another company than the two spigots.
That said, I have no complaints and all three petes are in rotation.
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