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Post by thewingedsloth on Jul 16, 2021 23:03:57 GMT -5
I just picked up a Charatan 03573 Executive briar from my friends cigar shop.
Script indicates it is after 1967 but before 1978 when dunhill took over.
wonderful straight grain with the faux plateau rim. vulcanite stem so oxidized it is almost golden brown..lol. pretty sure it is black originally.
I have walked past this pipe for years. thought it was a basket pipe made of epoxy or plastic.
So the bride goes with me to get a cigar for a patio party tommorow(sat july 17 2021) and points out the pipe..
Now I know of Charatan, excellent quality in the right pipes and decent at the low end. So here is this lovely dublinesque notched bottom square shank with the DC stem (Double Comfort is the tradename). I need to figure out posting pics here as I am not going to convey how nice the pipe is with words alone.
It had a dark area at the back that looked burned but a few swipes with a soft brass brush cleaned it up to reveal a lovely rim.
So I stumbled on a possible Lane Era Charatan Executive briar pipe which my good friend sold to me for 150$ USD.
After fully researching the pipe I found depending on the years and rank I may have gotten a good deal, a fair deal, or a great deal.
To be honest I have yet to find my exact pipe in pics.
So far I found a round bottom executive for 250$ and mine has an undercut on the stem side adding a slight acorn feel to the shape
If any of our members has more information please post!
Anyhoo, I had no idea I would be posting tonight about "another" addition to the rack but I found benefit buying from my friend who has stored it for years so if it is a lower end pipe I overpaid that makes it okay.
If it is a Lane Era high grade then I underpaid which makes me slightly in his debt as it was marked 275$ in the cabinet.
My first Bowl was Star of the East and the Charatan lifted the orientals delicate flavors very well (being dry it has to smoke good once..lol)
Great draw and the DC stem is quite comfortable but it is too heavy to clench easily. no tooth chatter on the stem either.
please add your comments on Charatan!
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 16, 2021 23:33:32 GMT -5
That would make it a straight grain freehand. $275 might seem high to me, but I'm not a Charatan collector. It's not a bad price if you really like it.
Edit :
After further investigation, you got lucky.
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thewingedsloth
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Post by thewingedsloth on Jul 18, 2021 13:19:13 GMT -5
July 18th 2021.
Searching for information has given mixed results.
Much of the dating is done by what period the factory and owners were going through.
The markings are well identified for the various phases of production and years.
The shape charts are clear and easy to find online.
The grading system does have some changes over the years but those are well documented.
So with all that info it is easy to place the Charatan's Make Executive in time.
The stem has the C piercing the P but no £ mark and no PH indicating a preben subcontract pipe.
REG d no.03573 is the only number on the pipe.
The lack of the £ in a circle means it was not import for hermann lane (1955-1978).
My issue is lack of the exact shape in the charts and images of similar pipes listed as executives.
and no clear decoding of the one number I have.
The wide taper cone shaped dublin? billiard? has been found but it is a round bottom.
Mine has a clear finger notch at the back of the bottom giving an acorn/axe look against the slightly forward tilted bowl. My stem is also shaped like a keystone. very nice detail with a lot of subtle curves and angles.
It does have the faux plateau rim, straight grain, double comfort vulcanite stem.
There also two slightly flattened areas on the sides of the bowl which are hard to notice until you feel your hand "lock in" and the undercut bottom fits the middle finger giving a three point contact patten with the thumb, forefinger up top.
So to be fair, if the pipe is truly a "Freehand" pipe it is probably going to loosely follow the shape charts so that can explain why no exact match yet I would expect there to be more from that artist giving at least a few examples that are close enough to what I am looking at.
this is a moment where I need a good way to post pics.
I read the tips and help info and how the site prefers to link to cloud server photos instead of dealing with the data load of archiving pics...yada yada, but now I have to shop for a photo server that is compatible anyhoo I digress
To fully identify the pipe using crowd sourcing, pics are needed so I will work on that.
feel free to post your Charatan's Make pipes for us to see!
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Post by urbino on Jul 18, 2021 13:33:38 GMT -5
Don't have one, yet, but it's still on my list of classic brands I want to own at least one of. Just haven't seen the right one for sale, yet.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 18, 2021 14:51:32 GMT -5
The list I found said that it's a large freehand, meaning no shape number.
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Post by trailboss on Jul 18, 2021 15:45:47 GMT -5
I have 3 or 4 Charatan seconds that are labeled "Special collection", they are all beautiful, I could find no pits, and the drilling/mortis/tenon are all spot on, beautiful straight grain and they smoke like champs.
Charatan had some pretty discriminating pipe graders.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 15:49:04 GMT -5
Can we see a photo of the pipe?
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Post by thewingedsloth on Jul 18, 2021 18:23:01 GMT -5
Can we see a photo of the pipe? I need to figure out how to post pics. i have several pipes i want to post pics of but i just do not have an online storage bin to link to. working on it! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 18:37:58 GMT -5
Standing by, mate.  |
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Post by charatanguy on Aug 9, 2022 8:48:35 GMT -5
Are there enough interested pipemen here to rekindle the discussion of Charatan pipes? A few months ago I won two on EBay from an estate sale and they were wonderful. So I started collecting and now have over a dozen pipes mostly from the '50's and 60's in different quality categories. From No name to Selected. Haven't yet scored any Supremes. That's the very top of the range. But no matter what level Cnaratan I smoke, it's consistently well drilled (I can always pass a pipe cleaner from the stem through the shank to the bowl) and lends a noticeable mellow background to my tobacco. I think that speaks to the quality and aging of the briar they use. I have read the several articles available online (Ivy Ryan and Il Pascia) but have not found any info about the meaning of the Registration number on many but not all of the pipes I have. It's also on the pipe that WingedSloth bought that started this string. If there is interest and I can figure out how to do this I will post photos of my Charatans in future messages. Thanks in advance to any Cnaratan owners who wish to join this discussion.
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Post by charatanguy on Aug 9, 2022 9:26:26 GMT -5
I am posting a link to the Pipedia article on the Dating of Charatan Pipes. It doesn't answer the question of what the registration numbers mean but it is very informative and a c good supplement to the several other sources I mentioned above. pipedia.org/wiki/Dating_of_Charatans |
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Post by Zach on Aug 9, 2022 12:08:09 GMT -5
If you're serious about Charatans, you should talk with Jesse over at Pipesmagazine forums. He's a Charatan expert if you have any questions.
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Post by charatanguy on Aug 9, 2022 12:38:19 GMT -5
Thanks Zach. Will do!
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Post by trailboss on Aug 9, 2022 14:13:08 GMT -5
If you're serious about Charatans, you should talk with Jesse over at Pipesmagazine forums. He's a Charatan expert if you have any questions. Is that Sablebrush? |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 9, 2022 14:54:35 GMT -5
If you're serious about Charatans, you should talk with Jesse over at Pipesmagazine forums. He's a Charatan expert if you have any questions. Is that Sablebrush? Yup |
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Post by trailboss on Aug 9, 2022 15:25:33 GMT -5
His knowledge of Barlings is pretty impressive, doesn’t surprise me that he knows a lot about Charatan’s.
He used to post here regularly, but he dropped off. When I see him in Vegas, I need to have a come to Jesus meeting with him about that.😉
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Post by Zach on Aug 9, 2022 15:54:51 GMT -5
If you're serious about Charatans, you should talk with Jesse over at Pipesmagazine forums. He's a Charatan expert if you have any questions. Is that Sablebrush? yeah, couldn't think of his handle off the top earlier. |
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