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Post by Silver on Oct 10, 2021 23:03:44 GMT -5
I'll concede the win to him.
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Post by urbino on Oct 10, 2021 23:24:51 GMT -5
I'll concede the win to him. That's good of you. He could use the encouragement. |
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Post by thewingedsloth on Oct 11, 2021 11:32:25 GMT -5
There are many theories and counterpoints to the man Einstein. One can even argue that his accomplishments are not as great as popular consensus makes them out to be. Personally, I can think of a number of physicists, whose work and the extension of whose work, I studied in school and beyond, that can be argued to be as , if not more, influential then Einstein, men like Maxwell. Still, Einstein is well thought of in the Physics "academic" community, simple as that. Einstein contributions are there, though not built on nothing. He took the interests and knowledge of different fields and came up with a more comprehensive picture/understanding of these elements, some more fragmented than others, along with a dose of original thinking and new ideas. This is typically how science works. His theories certainly were refined over the years and some things corrected, the cosmological constant for instance. He also had issues with quantum mechanics (When it concerns wave particle duality one can appreciate Einstein’s issue.); Issues not uncommon during his life time (One of my Professors, a brilliant man, still had issues with duality in the 2000s) among other intrigues. So as one understands the ever expanding picture, questions/issues are contemplated , a number of these answered or clarified, all pointing to the concept that history is not so simple as it is at times perceived. There are many problems that can be better understood in context or at least tempered by a more comprehensive understanding. Einstein, not perfect but certainly no dolt, has a place among Physics greats for good reasons (where one places him is certainly open to questions.  )…... lol Edison had a number of his own discoveries that were important. Edison also had a company that employed inventors etc. and typically knew how to acquire ideas as well. Balance is so sorely needed on all sides of history's questions...... Popular articles account for a few different perspectives... slate.com/human-interest/2014/03/is-there-any-truth-to-the-claim-that-einstein-was-a-fraud.htmlarchive.today/2017.06.05-063951/http://www.nytimes.com/1997/11/18/science/findings-back-einstein-in-a-plagiarism-dispute.htmlmedium.com/the-infinite-universe/general-relativity-how-einsteins-wrong-ideas-led-to-his-greatest-success-dcfe085a417blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/einsteins-greatest-blunder/physicsworld.com/a/anti-einstein-sentiment-surfaces-again/www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/08/01/did-albert-einstein-steal-the-theory-of-relativity-from-his-wife/?sh=925fca76a902astronomy.com/news/2018/09/5-times-einstein-was-wrongI tend to be carefully with popular accounts, on either side. There is a strong antisemitic movement tied to the anti-Einstein theories as well (When things become over the top, unbalanced, I check for that first.). However, this does not discount Einstein’s issues either. So one has to be careful of the source and wade the waters with caution on either side. For my part, I quickly copied and pasted a few articles that I did read over and found interesting , most written by scientists from decent sources. I still have not really vetted them. One reason I took down the post is because I wished to vet the articles better. Against my better judgment, I placed them back. Why? I believe the first post was responded to and did not want to leave anyone hanging….. So there you are….lol Great comment and excellent work on the links. I go out of the way to avoid any anti-semetic or rascist overtones as I have had jewish friends and I do the same as for black folk and the N-word. I do it not out of fear but for respect to those groups. Your detailed reply helps to elevate the topic and I enjoyed reading it! |
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Post by sperrytops on Oct 11, 2021 16:10:02 GMT -5
I thought Edison stole Tesla's ideas?
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 11, 2021 16:52:18 GMT -5
I thought Edison stole Tesla's ideas? Only the early ones. Teslas AC current was in competition with Edisons DC. (see BetaMax) Tesla was light years ahead of Edison. |
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Post by oldcajun123 on Oct 11, 2021 17:07:32 GMT -5
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 11, 2021 18:30:33 GMT -5
Edison finally finished his light-bulb. He notified the world press of a big announcement. They gathered at Menlo Park, about a dozen of them, and he unveiled the bulb. He signaled his assistant who began to pedal the generator. The bulb began to glow. It got brighter and brighter and the press went "Oooo!" and rushed for door to file their stories. Edison said "Wait! That's not it!" He leaned down close to the bulb 'til his lips were almost touching it and said...
"Hello?"
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 11, 2021 18:57:01 GMT -5
Edison finally finished his light-bulb. He notified the world press of a big announcement. They gathered at Menlo Park, about a dozen of them, and he unveiled the bulb. He signaled his assistant who began to pedal the generator. The bulb began to glow. It got brighter and brighter and the press went "Oooo!" and rushed for door to file their stories. Edison said "Wait! That's not it!" He leaned down close to the bulb 'til his lips were almost touching it and said... "Hello?" 😂 |
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Post by qmechanics on Oct 11, 2021 19:50:26 GMT -5
I thought Edison stole Tesla's ideas? Tesla worked for Edison's company for a time. After the breakup, their biggest struggle came with the fight for electricity. This was known by some as the (Westinghouse, Tesla etc.) AC/ DC ( Edison Electric Light Company (Modernly known as General Electric GE), Edison etc. ) WAR . Boy did they rock !!! It was an ugly affair. Tesla's AC eventually won. However even with the loss of the AC/DC WAR, Edison (Inventions , companies (GE) etc.) emerges as a man of great importance . Tesla's AC won the world, though Edison’s empires endure. I find both men to be brilliant, though with their obvious strengths and weaknesses. Initially, the two men had a fairly cordial relationship. Edison being not only an inventor but a businessman. was not above taking ideas and either improving them (like the light bulb), which was revolutionary in its improvement , or creating new inventions through his own efforts and/or those employed by his companies. Tesla, while brilliant, was not the businessman Edison was and of different personailty. There a number of stories surrounding Tesla’s and Edison’s early and later relationship. Below one will find two quotes, from different sources, relaying events concerning their parting of ways. I think this is a very interesting statement, made by W. Bernard Carlson, taken from from the Rutgers University webpage (I encourage one to read the whole article and explore. ): "Almost as soon as he arrived in New York, Tesla went to work at the Edison Machine Works at Goerck St. For his part, Edison was impressed with the younger man's work and thought him "a damned good man." But it seems the two men had very little direct intercourse. "Tesla only worked for about six months at the Edison Machine Works," says Carlson. "He was one of about twenty or so of what might be called junior field engineers. He met Edison maybe two times." Still, Tesla was soon put in charge of developing an arc lighting system for the Edison Construction Department. He was able to develop a successful system, but for business reasons, Edison decided not to use it. Naturally, Tesla was disappointed and also miffed because Edison did not offer him a bonus for completing the system. As Carlson notes, Tesla quit "in disgust." He then patented his system independently and entered into a business arrangement with another company to market it. Edison and his associates were understandably upset about this since Tesla had developed the technology while he was an Edison employee. Generally speaking, Edison allowed his employees to patent their innovations under their own names, but the patents were then assigned to the Edison company, which was a common practice. " "This begs the question," says Carlson, "of who stole from whom." " Thomas Edison Papers edison.rutgers.edu/tesla.htm (A real good source for Edison and even Tesla documents..) Another take: Tesla arrived in New York in 1884 and was hired as an engineer at Thomas Edison’s Manhattan headquarters. He worked there for a year, impressing Edison with his diligence and ingenuity. At one point Edison told Tesla he would pay $50,000 for an improved design for his DC dynamos. After months of experimentation, Tesla presented a solution and asked for the money. Edison demurred, saying, “Tesla, you don’t understand our American humor.” Tesla quit soon after. www.history.com/topics/inventions/nikola-tesla Note: Tesla did work at Edison's sister company in Europe, before coming to America...
Two decent sources for information (Not equal or perfect or equally perfect lol , though certainly not some blogger out in cyberspace trying to make a life and/or living through and/or off his or her heroes.). Still the perspectives are differentt. The History Channels take, appears to be the more commonly found internet narrative. The details of the Rutgers' article presents a larger context and frames the picture quite differently, makes one wonder. lol In the end, though the AC/DC WAR was brutal, "Tesla and Edison learned to live with each other." From what I understand, this is true as well. Thomas Edison Papers edison.rutgers.edu/tesla.htmThere are a number of fan-boys of Tesla and a few of Edison. If you can find a fairly objective historian all the better. As illustrated above, the picture is complicated, of course as always... A few links , among many, that give a brief glimpse into the complex relation between two great men.... www.biography.com/news/thomas-edison-nikola-tesla-feud www.lightbulbs.com/blog/tesla-vs-edison |
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