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Post by don on Oct 23, 2021 12:18:20 GMT -5
A bolt-gun or a tight single-shot is the way to go if you want to wring the best accuracy out of a cartridge. The controversy about "inherently accurate cartridges" goes on, but it is undeniable that some are more accurate than others. The 7.62x39 is not among the high-scoring group, which includes such famous ones as the 44 Special, the 308, and the 6.5 Creedmoor. The AK round can't be blamed for that as it wasn't designed for accuracy in the first place. AKs and the steel cased military fodder definitely does not result in serious accuracy. 7.62x39 can be very accurate, however. I reload brass cases for it and use .311 bullets appropriate for the bore of that Ruger. Makes that rifle shoot just a hair over one MOA. 7.62x39 is the parent case for some great precision cartridges like 6 PPC and 22 PPC, also 6.5 Grendel. I have a 6.5 Grendel Howa bolt gun that will shoot five shot 1/2” groups all day at 100yds. Just sold my Cooper model 21 in 22PPC. I usually put five shots into less than 1/2” off the bench at 100 yds. Sometimes I would end up with one cloverleaf hole closer to 1/4” diameter for five shots. |
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 23, 2021 12:28:40 GMT -5
I love the Grendel. (Killed my first deer with it last year.) I have a Howa and a Ruger American and they perform about the same, with a slight edge for the Ruger. I went a bit nutz on both and installed comps. Recoil is about non-existence. Fun to be able to watch the bullets come apart on a gong at 200Y. 
PS... Some guys get bent out of shape when the Grendel's parent is said to be the AK round. They claim it's the 220 Russian. But THAT round's parent IS the AK so what's all the excitement about? Can't please everyone I guess.
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 23, 2021 12:40:34 GMT -5
I don't know where you heard that. I've had a 340. My experience does not confirm that at all. Unless you mean that the 30-30 is most accurate when used in a bolt-gun. The 30-30 is not a prize-winner in the accuracy department in ANY gun. When I used to shoot handgun metallic silhouette the most accurate guys were shooting Contenders in 30-30. The Contender is a fantastic platform. I only have 22 Match and 357 barrels, and 7TCU when set up as a carbine. With the right handloads the 357 (10") shoots 1" @ 100Y. IT will, but I can't anymore.  |
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don
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Post by don on Oct 23, 2021 19:25:02 GMT -5
I love the Grendel. (Killed my first deer with it last year.) I have a Howa and a Ruger American and they perform about the same, with a slight edge for the Ruger. I went a bit nutz on both and installed comps. Recoil is about non-existence. Fun to be able to watch the bullets come apart on a gong at 200Y.
PS... Some guys get bent out of shape when the Grendel's parent is said to be the AK round. They claim it's the 220 Russian. But THAT round's parent IS the AK so what's all the excitement about? Can't please everyone I guess.
True. The 7.62x39 is the grandparent round! My Howa 1500 is almost as accurate as the 22 PPC Cooper I sold. At about 1/3 the price. I have a muzzle brake on the Ruger American. Nothing on the Howa. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 23, 2021 20:33:29 GMT -5
When I used to shoot handgun metallic silhouette the most accurate guys were shooting Contenders in 30-30. The Contender is a fantastic platform. I only have 22 Match and 357 barrels, and 7TCU when set up as a carbine. With the right handloads the 357 (10") shoots 1" @ 100Y. IT will, but I can't anymore. I had a Contender with the 45/410, 357, 22lr and a Bullberry 357 Max rifle barrel. I had several grips and I made a rifle stock for it. I sold the whole set to my best friend who refuses to sell it back. ☹️ |
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Post by toshtego on Oct 23, 2021 22:14:09 GMT -5
The Contender is a fantastic platform. I only have 22 Match and 357 barrels, and 7TCU when set up as a carbine. With the right handloads the 357 (10") shoots 1" @ 100Y. IT will, but I can't anymore. I had a Contender with the 45/410, 357, 22lr and a Bullberry 357 Max rifle barrel. I had several grips and I made a rifle stock for it. I sold the whole set to my best friend who refuses to sell it back. ☹️ You want we should go over and talk with him? |
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 24, 2021 10:42:57 GMT -5
I had a Contender with the 45/410, 357, 22lr and a Bullberry 357 Max rifle barrel. I had several grips and I made a rifle stock for it. I sold the whole set to my best friend who refuses to sell it back. ☹️ You want we should go over and talk with him? No, he's old and the last thing I need is more guns now. I got in big trouble with my wife when I sold it to him because she loved shooting the 22. It was boring, just watching her put shot after shot in one hole at 25 yards and I thought she had lost interest. Wrong again. |
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