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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 24, 2021 22:37:15 GMT -5
He had a job to do and it was the responsibility of the armorer to be sure it was loaded with blanks. The woman was the director of photography and she was most likely standing behind the camera and the director was looking over her shoulder. They probably told him to shoot at the camera. It was as much their responsibility as his. The armorer had recently expressed her uncertainty if she was up to the job. She obviously wasn't. Do you guys really think that Keanu Reeves and Liam Neeson check the guns on their shoot-em-up farces? Actors are idiots. If they were responsible for checking the weapons nothing would get done or more people would get shot.
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Post by trailboss on Oct 24, 2021 23:10:57 GMT -5
I guess I take life for serious, and responsibility for my actions more than a Hollywood actor.
As for CNN, I saw Gwen (whatever her last name is) fawning all over him and basically painting him as the victim, you would have figured he bore most of the tragedy, not the dead woman (on the hotel lobby television).
I will admit that I am informed by actors that make a living using guns to enrich themselves, lLike Liam Neeson and school us on how irresponsible it is for the common man to own guns.
In that, I will admit my reticence to give anyone a pass that studies the subject and to play the part, and depend on others to tell them what to do with handling a gun. The wife and I are saving up for a trip to Gunsite to keep up our training, so as to prevent such a catastrophe. I think that an actor that can afford to do it in his chump change account, should do so…at the least.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 24, 2021 23:25:45 GMT -5
I guess I take life for serious, and responsibility for my actions more than a Hollywood actor. As for CNN, I saw Gwen (whatever her last name is) fawning all over him and basically painting him as the victim, you would have figured he bore most of the tragedy, not the dead woman (on the hotel lobby television). I will admit that I am informed by actors that make a living using guns to enrich themselves, lLike Liam Neeson and school us on how irresponsible it is for the common man to own guns. In that, I will admit my reticence to give anyone a pass that studies the subject and to play the part, and depend on others to tell them what to do with handling a gun. The wife and I are saving up for a trip to Gunsite to keep up our training, so as to prevent such a catastrophe. I think that an actor that can afford to do it in his chump change account, should do so…at the least. I bet you believe in the tooth fairy too. They are trained monkeys. They may be good at their trade, but little else. |
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Post by trailboss on Oct 24, 2021 23:28:49 GMT -5
As I get older and lose teeth, under the pillow they go…gonna hedge my bets.😉
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 24, 2021 23:33:47 GMT -5
As I get older and lose teeth, under the pillow they go…gonna hedge my bets.😉 😁😎🤠 The dentist keeps what is left of mine and I have to PAY HIM! |
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 25, 2021 7:45:57 GMT -5
Though I hate to say it, Keanu Reeves is a knowledgeable gun guy in real (as opposed to 'reel') life. Shoots in competition I believe. Mostly with the same types of guns in his films.
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 25, 2021 7:47:27 GMT -5
"It was as much their responsibility as his."
Rubbish.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Oct 25, 2021 8:50:34 GMT -5
 Whatever I say will be colored because I hate the SOB, may he be sued for every penny he has, may he be blackballed in every movie making venue, other than that. SAY LA VIE!
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 25, 2021 10:39:02 GMT -5
I hate him too. He was married to Kim Basinger, who should have been mine. She always had terrible taste in men.
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Post by toshtego on Oct 25, 2021 11:58:18 GMT -5
I hate him too. He was married to Kim Basinger, who should have been mine. She always had terrible taste in men.  |
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Post by toshtego on Oct 25, 2021 12:02:43 GMT -5
"It was as much their responsibility as his." Rubbish. Agreed. The person holding the firearm has the responsibility for knowing its condition. Firearms kept pointed in a safe direction. Basic stuff I learned as a youth in the Boy Scouts and from my father and uncles. Baldwin killed someone. There are consequences. |
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 25, 2021 12:07:56 GMT -5
Let’s take a look…
He had a job to do and it was the responsibility of the armorer to be sure it was loaded with blanks.
True. But she’s not necessarily the end of the line.
The woman was the director of photography and she was most likely standing behind the camera and the director was looking over her shoulder.
More likely he was sitting, watching a monitor— this is the way it usually works out. After all, she was shot in the stomach and he was shot in the shoulder area.
They probably told him to shoot at the camera. It was as much their responsibility as his.
It does sound like a head-on “effects” shot, unless there was clowning around going on. But “it” was neither of their responsibilities. The director can set up a shoot any way he wants. But the armorer usually reports to the assistant director, not the director. The DP has nothing whatsoever to do with it. To imply she was complicit in her own death is, as I said, total rubbish.
The armorer had recently expressed her uncertainty if she was up to the job.
Unclear, to me at least, whether she was among the non-union replacements. The responsibility for those replacement decisions was the producer’s. And that’s Baldwin.
She obviously wasn't. Do you guys really think that Keanu Reeves and Liam Neeson check the guns on their shoot-em-up farces?
Already mentioned about Reeves. Neeson is a Holly-whore who preaches against guns and then makes film after film where the main charachter IS The Gun.
Actors are idiots.
Some are. Some aren’t. Most, however, aren’t gut-level familiar with firearms.
If they were responsible for checking the weapons nothing would get done or more people would get shot.
I bet they will be checking them now, if they know how. And actually, they don’t have to hands-on check them. They can ask the armorer to “Show me.” (Lots of shooting in films is not really done. The actor reacts to the shot, recoil, etc., and the sound guys put the report in in post. Now, with CGI, they can even add smoke, flame, and the whole works.)
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Post by toshtego on Oct 25, 2021 12:12:24 GMT -5
Deadly weapons are not like other props and should be handled accordingly.
If an actor does not know how to handle them that person should be trained or leave them for others to use.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 25, 2021 14:46:52 GMT -5
The assistant yelled "cold gun" and handed it to Baldwin. Several of the crew had just walked off the set because of the actions of the assistant director. I understand where you guys are coming from here, but I have to put Baldwin at 3rd on the list of responsibility. This wasn't a gun range, but a movie set and he was depending on the team. And the team failed.
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Post by instymp on Oct 25, 2021 17:13:41 GMT -5
Why would he test the gun by aiming at her belly.
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Post by toshtego on Oct 25, 2021 17:58:18 GMT -5
The assistant yelled "cold gun" and handed it to Baldwin. Several of the crew had just walked off the set because of the actions of the assistant director. I understand where you guys are coming from here, but I have to put Baldwin at 3rd on the list of responsibility. This wasn't a gun range, but a movie set and he was depending on the team. And the team failed. That just does not fly in my world. Anytime I am handed a firearm, I break it open and inspect the chamber, magazine, cylinder, plasma cell, etc. I am sure everyone here does the same. No one just accepts a gun is unloaded and then points it at someone and fires. Well, apparently Alec Baldwin does but not many others, I hope. |
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 25, 2021 20:17:36 GMT -5
There are way too many unanswered questions here for a definitive answer about any of this. Apparently some of the crew had been using this particular gun (never identified) for "target practice" and it looks like someone left a live round in it. When I check a single action revolver (as this one no doubt was) I open the loading gate and rotate the cylinder until I have seen thirteen chambers. How hard is that? Were they rehearsing with a supposedly empty gun, or were they shooting with a gun supposedly loaded with blanks, or "a" blank? Head-on shots of a revolver in an actor's hand often used dummy, not blank, rounds to make the gun look real. Just too many questions and, so far, maddeningly vague and insufficient answers about what actually happened.
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Post by trailboss on Oct 25, 2021 20:30:44 GMT -5
The local news said that in light of this happening, the producers of the cop show called The Rookie, will be using air soft with special effects to make it realistic.
Kind of sucks for the guys that do their jobs well as the on site arms pro’s for the show, that steady gig can now be monitored by Hasbro.
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Post by username on Oct 25, 2021 21:07:37 GMT -5
I was wondering why their was live ammo anyway where near the set to begin with.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 25, 2021 21:12:19 GMT -5
There are way too many unanswered questions here for a definitive answer about any of this. Apparently some of the crew had been using this particular gun (never identified) for "target practice" and it looks like someone left a live round in it. When I check a single action revolver (as this one no doubt was) I open the loading gate and rotate the cylinder until I have seen thirteen chambers. How hard is that? Were they rehearsing with a supposedly empty gun, or were they shooting with a gun supposedly loaded with blanks, or "a" blank? Head-on shots of a revolver in an actor's hand often used dummy, not blank, rounds to make the gun look real. Just too many questions and, so far, maddeningly vague and insufficient answers about what actually happened. It sounds like the entire shoot was a complete cluster-fowl. Someone should have taken charge of this circus before this happened. |
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 25, 2021 21:20:12 GMT -5
The local news said that in light of this happening, the producers of the cop show called The Rookie, will be using air soft with special effects to make it realistic. Kind of sucks for the guys that do their jobs well as the on site arms pro’s for the show, that steady gig can now be monitored by Hasbro. John Milius would never go along. |
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Post by toshtego on Oct 25, 2021 21:21:49 GMT -5
The local news said that in light of this happening, the producers of the cop show called The Rookie, will be using air soft with special effects to make it realistic. Kind of sucks for the guys that do their jobs well as the on site arms pro’s for the show, that steady gig can now be monitored by Hasbro. John Milius would never go along. Come to Attention and salute! |
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 25, 2021 21:22:28 GMT -5
The local news said that in light of this happening, the producers of the cop show called The Rookie, will be using air soft with special effects to make it realistic. Kind of sucks for the guys that do their jobs well as the on site arms pro’s for the show, that steady gig can now be monitored by Hasbro. John Milius would never go along. He would have used muzzle loaders full of confetti. |
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Post by Gandalf on Oct 25, 2021 21:38:29 GMT -5
It'll be interesting when/if all the details come out.
If you are serious about gun safety on the set, there should be no live ammo on the set - period.
Anything that needs to be checked, needs to be checked again by another person independently.
Once checked, the guns should never be left unattended. Sounds like they were.
It sounds like they had safety procedures in place, but it sounds like they weren't following them, not taking them seriously.
I'm can't decide about Baldwin. In the real world, the gun owners world, you are responsible for a gun in your possession.
But is an actor who knows nothing about them? Does he get a pass? I'm sure those in charge don't expect them to know anything. They are paid to do what they are told. That's why they have an "expert".
But it goes against my upbringing.
Anyway, if nothing else, Baldwin could be liable for negligence because he a producer of the movie and safety procedures were not being followed. If they were, this wouldn't have happened.
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Post by toshtego on Oct 25, 2021 21:55:02 GMT -5
It'll be interesting when/if all the details come out. If you are serious about gun safety on the set, there should be no live ammo on the set - period. Anything that needs to be checked, needs to be checked again by another person independently. Once checked, the guns should never be left unattended. Sounds like they were. It sounds like they had safety procedures in place, but it sounds like they weren't following them, not taking them seriously. I'm can't decide about Baldwin. In the real world, the gun owners world, you are responsible for a gun in your possession. But is an actor who knows nothing about them? Does he get a pass? I'm sure those in charge don't expect them to know anything. They are paid to do what they are told. That's why they have an "expert". But it goes against my upbringing. Anyway, if nothing else, Baldwin could be liable for negligence because he a producer of the movie and safety procedures were not being followed. If they were, this wouldn't have happened. That is a question a Jury will most likely have to answer. If he walks away from this without some level of judicial scrutiny, I will be very disappointed. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 25, 2021 22:00:32 GMT -5
It'll be interesting when/if all the details come out. If you are serious about gun safety on the set, there should be no live ammo on the set - period. Anything that needs to be checked, needs to be checked again by another person independently. Once checked, the guns should never be left unattended. Sounds like they were. It sounds like they had safety procedures in place, but it sounds like they weren't following them, not taking them seriously. I'm can't decide about Baldwin. In the real world, the gun owners world, you are responsible for a gun in your possession. But is an actor who knows nothing about them? Does he get a pass? I'm sure those in charge don't expect them to know anything. They are paid to do what they are told. That's why they have an "expert". But it goes against my upbringing. Anyway, if nothing else, Baldwin could be liable for negligence because he a producer of the movie and safety procedures were not being followed. If they were, this wouldn't have happened. That's what I'm thinking. Why was there live ammo anywhere near the set? And now I heard that the crew was plinking with the gun before the scene started. Crazy. |
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Post by JimK on Oct 26, 2021 10:00:06 GMT -5
Whattaya notice about this Colt pistol...
The ramrod is missing |
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 26, 2021 10:09:28 GMT -5
So is the thread...  |
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Post by Gypo on Oct 26, 2021 17:28:33 GMT -5
Every time I pick up a gun I treat it like it is loaded. I clear every gun everytime even if the person who handed it to me just did it in front of me in the store. The only real safety on a gun is the dumb shite holding it! These are not opinions these you must live by if you own or handle guns.
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 26, 2021 20:27:18 GMT -5
The 10YO who shared a hunting week with his dad here got the whole 9-yards on handgun safety. He was a good learner. His favorite was my "worked" single-action 45 Colt. "It's so SMOOOTH!" he kept saying, and even though it was too big for hands I could tell that he could get good with it. He pretty much mastered the two-hand hold and working the hammer with the off hand. Muzzle discipline was pounded on so often I'm sure he got tired of hearing it. But as a result he got almost paranoid about where it was pointed. Good.
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Whatever I say will be colored because I hate the SOB, may he be sued for every penny he has, may he be blackballed in every movie making venue, other than that. SAY LA VIE!
