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Post by henry on Dec 14, 2021 23:22:44 GMT -5
![]() Have a Nording Royal Flush Apple that seems to smoke wet. I usually load a cavendish blend--which causes no such problem in my other pipes--but always end up with gurgles and bitter taste about halfway into the bowl. Only with the Nording. This Nording is not a filter pipe. The stem aperture will not accommodate a 6mm filter (probably would take a 3 - 4mm filter if I could find one). I've tried a balsa sliver as filter and a bowl screen with filter granules to no avail. I'm completely mystified. Perhaps there's a way of making your own filters that I've missed? Insights much appreciated. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 14, 2021 23:28:36 GMT -5
Unless the dtem/shank is big enough for a 6mm stem then you'll have to fix the drilling. Widen the draft hole and taper it to match the stem. Also taper the stem where it meets the draft hole. That should improve it greatly.
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Post by henry on Dec 14, 2021 23:39:51 GMT -5
Unless the dtem/shank is big enough for a 6mm stem then you'll have to fix the drilling. Widen the draft hole and taper it to match the stem. Also taper the stem where it meets the draft hole. That should improve it greatly. I was unable to get a picture to load. The stem is curved ivory (color) and I would hate to screw it up. You're talking about widening the tenon to accommodate a 6mm filter? The mortise is not briar, but plastic lined briar. This would have to be increased as well to fit the enlarged tenon. Ron I'm very much a novice here. Could you fill me in on methods -- thanks. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 15, 2021 0:28:54 GMT -5
Unless the dtem/shank is big enough for a 6mm stem then you'll have to fix the drilling. Widen the draft hole and taper it to match the stem. Also taper the stem where it meets the draft hole. That should improve it greatly. I was unable to get a picture to load. The stem is curved ivory (color) and I would hate to screw it up. You're talking about widening the tenon to accommodate a 6mm filter? The mortise is not briar, but plastic lined briar. This would have to be increased as well to fit the enlarged tenon. Ron I'm very much a novice here. Could you fill me in on methods -- thanks. To add a filter you would need to send it to a shop. I use a hand drill and tapered bits to fix gurgling pipes. But I practiced extensively on pipes that were not important to me. |
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Post by henry on Dec 15, 2021 23:20:08 GMT -5
I was unable to get a picture to load. The stem is curved ivory (color) and I would hate to screw it up. You're talking about widening the tenon to accommodate a 6mm filter? The mortise is not briar, but plastic lined briar. This would have to be increased as well to fit the enlarged tenon. Ron I'm very much a novice here. Could you fill me in on methods -- thanks. To add a filter you would need to send it to a shop. I use a hand drill and tapered bits to fix gurgling pipes. But I practiced extensively on pipes that were not important to me.  The tenon appears to be pretty much the same size as a 6mm filter so there would be no easy way to modify. I am wondering if some of the forum community have tips & tricks in making your own tenon filters. 3 - 4 mm would likely be the way to go. I've already tried balsa but likely there's some other materials that would work. I have reached out to Nording but nothing so far. The Royal Flush is easily the most visually striking of my six pipes. A shame it is so problematic. nording |
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 15, 2021 23:22:10 GMT -5
To add a filter you would need to send it to a shop. I use a hand drill and tapered bits to fix gurgling pipes. But I practiced extensively on pipes that were not important to me. The tenon appears to be pretty much the same size as a 6mm filter so there would be no easy way to modify. I am wondering if some of the forum community have tips & tricks in making your own tenon filters. 3 - 4 mm would likely be the way to go. I've already tried balsa but likely there's some other materials that would work. I have reached out to Nording but nothing so far. The Royal Flush is easily the most visually striking of my six pipes. A shame it is so problematic. nordingSomeone like Norwood can fit a new tenon. |
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Post by trailboss on Dec 15, 2021 23:27:31 GMT -5
I would contact the site I bought it from.
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Post by henry on Dec 15, 2021 23:31:12 GMT -5
The tenon appears to be pretty much the same size as a 6mm filter so there would be no easy way to modify. I am wondering if some of the forum community have tips & tricks in making your own tenon filters. 3 - 4 mm would likely be the way to go. I've already tried balsa but likely there's some other materials that would work. I have reached out to Nording but nothing so far. The Royal Flush is easily the most visually striking of my six pipes. A shame it is so problematic. nordingSomeone like Norwood can fit a new tenon. Thanks. I'll contact him if Nording doesn't respond in a few days. I've also asked Smokingpipes.com to inquire thru their Nording contact. Ron do you think a 6mm filter would make a big difference or simply reduce the foul taste? |
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Post by henry on Dec 15, 2021 23:34:38 GMT -5
I would contact the site I bought it from. As I noted above I have asked Smokingpipes to reach out to Nording. Guess I'll soon find out if marketing trumps service, if the Nording reputation is deserved. By my standards it was not an inexpensive pipe. I have two lower end ebay estate pipes which provide a far better experience. Both are Careys. |
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Post by urbino on Dec 15, 2021 23:40:08 GMT -5
I'm no help here. Nordings are very nice pipes, but they tend to be heavy, which means I tend not to buy them. I have one uncommonly small one, and that's it, so no real experience with them.
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Post by trailboss on Dec 15, 2021 23:43:41 GMT -5
Pipe selling companies are reticent to offer full discounts on pipes that have been smoked.
But, if you received a pipe that smokes wet from the start, I would raise hell and demand that the situation is corrected.
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 16, 2021 0:00:40 GMT -5
Someone like Norwood can fit a new tenon. Thanks. I'll contact him if Nording doesn't respond in a few days. I've also asked Smokingpipes.com to inquire thru their Nording contact. Ron do you think a 6mm filter would make a big difference or simply reduce the foul taste? I usually don't use filters at all. If the tobacco is nasty it will just be a weaker nasty in my opinion. When I do use filters I use the Savinelli balsa. The 6mm will fit any pipe that takes paper filters. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 16, 2021 0:04:35 GMT -5
The Nording is not a premium pipe and it sounds like this one is not properly engineered. If it isn't satisfactory that's the owners problem. Any personal attention would cost more than the cost of the pipe.
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Post by henry on Dec 16, 2021 15:02:16 GMT -5
It ran at just over $100 and ties with one other of my six at being the most expensive. Guess I'm the plebe in the Briarpatch.
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Post by urbino on Dec 16, 2021 16:10:18 GMT -5
It ran at just over $100 and ties with one other of my six at being the most expensive. Guess I'm the plebe in the Briarpatch. I'll reiterate my view that Nording makes a fine pipe. Like any company that turns out a very large volume, they're going to make a few lemons. You're not the plebe. |
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Post by sperrytops on Dec 16, 2021 16:30:19 GMT -5
I am not a Nording pipe guy, but I don't think their pipes are any better or worse than Peterson or Savinelli.
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 16, 2021 17:04:40 GMT -5
I am not a Nording pipe guy, but I don't think their pipes are any better or worse than Peterson or Savinelli. I've never heard of a Savinelli dud, but in the $100 price range, a large manufacturer is likely to turn out a few lemons. The choices are : 1:Drill it himself. 2:Send it to a pro for corrective surgery or filtering 3:Waste a lot of time trying to get the seller to replace it. 3 might not be the worst deal as sending it to a pro would make it a used $130-160 dollar pipe worth $75. |
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Post by sperrytops on Dec 16, 2021 17:13:23 GMT -5
I am not a Nording pipe guy, but I don't think their pipes are any better or worse than Peterson or Savinelli. I've never heard of a Savinelli dud, but in the $100 price range, a large manufacturer is likely to turn out a few lemons. The choices are : 1:Drill it himself. 2:Send it to a pro for corrective surgery or filtering 3:Waste a lot of time trying to get the seller to replace it. 3 might not be the worst deal as sending it to a pro would make it a used $130-160 dollar pipe worth $75. Perhaps send to Mike Myers at Walker Pipe Repair for drilling. Make a fine smoker of it. |
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Post by Zach on Dec 16, 2021 17:52:05 GMT -5
As a new smoker it's possible to be smoking your tobacco too wet and a bit too fast. Try drying your tobacco for 20-30 minutes or until it starts to get a bit crispy. When pinching the tobacco to load your pipe, it should not clump and stick together. Practice smoking slowly enough to just keep the pipe lit and sipping. Except for cobs, most 6 or 9mm pipes can be smoked hot and wet enough to gurgle.
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Post by henry on Dec 16, 2021 18:05:41 GMT -5
As I'm not a new smoker am pretty sure it's the pipe as my others don't gurgle with the same tobacco. And it gurgles with drier Virginia just as with Black Cavendish.
Some say that loading a pipe in three layers, with the top layer being least compacted, helps with gurgle. The gurgle itself isn't the problem. It's getting a taste like motor oil on the draw.
As 3 or 4mm filters don't seem to be available commercially I would really be interested if any forum members have experience making their own filters, and what material/paper they used.
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Post by urbino on Dec 16, 2021 19:09:02 GMT -5
As I'm not a new smoker am pretty sure it's the pipe as my others don't gurgle with the same tobacco. And it gurgles with drier Virginia just as with Black Cavendish. Some say that loading a pipe in three layers, with the top layer being least compacted, helps with gurgle. The gurgle itself isn't the problem. It's getting a taste like motor oil on the draw. As 3 or 4mm filters don't seem to be available commercially I would really be interested if any forum members have experience making their own filters, and what material/paper they used. You might shoot Eddie Gray at The Pipe Nook an email. He's 100% a filtered pipe guy, and seems to be up on what's available in that realm, both pipes and filters. You could also try some of those Denicool crystals. |
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Post by calabash on Dec 16, 2021 19:29:48 GMT -5
I am not a Nording pipe guy, but I don't think their pipes are any better or worse than Peterson or Savinelli. Everyone's mileage varies. I have 3 Nordings and they're all better smokers than any of my Petersons or Savinellis. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 16, 2021 21:56:55 GMT -5
As I'm not a new smoker am pretty sure it's the pipe as my others don't gurgle with the same tobacco. And it gurgles with drier Virginia just as with Black Cavendish. Some say that loading a pipe in three layers, with the top layer being least compacted, helps with gurgle. The gurgle itself isn't the problem. It's getting a taste like motor oil on the draw. As 3 or 4mm filters don't seem to be available commercially I would really be interested if any forum members have experience making their own filters, and what material/paper they used. You might shoot Eddie Gray at The Pipe Nook an email. He's 100% a filtered pipe guy, and seems to be up on what's available in that realm, both pipes and filters. You could also try some of those Denicool crystals. I found some 3mm filters when I first started smoking a pipe. They are too small to draw through. |
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Post by henry on Dec 20, 2021 16:32:59 GMT -5
Update -- I found gurgle was significantly cut when I didn't try to dual filter (balsa in stem & bowl mesh + granules), keeping the stem clear.
My best result to date is using denicool crystals (Germany) with basket mesh in bowl. With the Nording I'll be a Taoist not wanting to risk stem damage. White stems are not that easy to find.
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Post by kipp on Jun 29, 2023 12:59:58 GMT -5
Has anyone tried The Nording (Rocks) called Keystones. Most folks say that they worked well for them.
The Nørding Keystone filters help remove the humidity from the tobacco and the condensation created while smoking.
When using Nørding Keystones in a traditional pipe, you also “lift” the tobacco a few millimetres from the bottom of the pipe bowl, preventing the tobacco from blocking the airflow in front of the draw hole.
Lifting the tobacco from the bottom of the pipe bowl also helps the pipe smoker keep the pipe lit and at the same time offering the advantage of being able to smoke all the tobacco…
Often the remaining tobacco is usually lost and scraped out together with the ashes when finished smoking.
How to use Keystones in a traditional Smoking Pipe:
. Add 5 to 10 Keystones into the pipe bowl and fill with tobacco.
. After smoking, empty the ashes and used keystones from the pipe bowl.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 29, 2023 16:40:18 GMT -5
Has anyone tried The Nording (Rocks) called Keystones. Most folks say that they worked well for them. The Nørding Keystone filters help remove the humidity from the tobacco and the condensation created while smoking. When using Nørding Keystones in a traditional pipe, you also “lift” the tobacco a few millimetres from the bottom of the pipe bowl, preventing the tobacco from blocking the airflow in front of the draw hole. Lifting the tobacco from the bottom of the pipe bowl also helps the pipe smoker keep the pipe lit and at the same time offering the advantage of being able to smoke all the tobacco… Often the remaining tobacco is usually lost and scraped out together with the ashes when finished smoking. How to use Keystones in a traditional Smoking Pipe: . Add 5 to 10 Keystones into the pipe bowl and fill with tobacco. . After smoking, empty the ashes and used keystones from the pipe bowl. I use them in a couple of very old pipes that the draft hole is burned too open. They work. |
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Post by instymp on Jun 29, 2023 17:09:30 GMT -5
Nordings smoked good for me but I hated that finish they used, was like epoxy almost.
Took me about 3-4 for me to remember. & Dave Neeb (Mkelaw-Pipes.com) to remind me why I didn't like them the last time.
Great shapes.
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