|
|
Post by toshtego on Jan 29, 2022 17:59:35 GMT -5
In the "Let's-Be-Thankful-It-Was-Not-Us-Department", I spoke with a friend today. His big toe on left foot was amputated yesterday and he was sent home with no pain meds. Seems a computer glitch prevented a script from being issued and no one at the hospital could do anything about it. So, he had a difficult night at home until he was able to speak with his own Primary Care PA this morning and actually receive pain medication. He does not drink alcohol being a Friend of Bill W. So, it was the leather belt in the teeth overnight. The hospital he had the procedure is notoriously incompetent and indifferent to patients. Known here as "Saint Victim's". I try to avoid Saint Vincent's Medical Center to the extent I can.
|
|
|
|
Post by Plainsman on Jan 29, 2022 18:37:19 GMT -5
Medical incompetence has consequences.
|
|
|
|
Post by haebar on Jan 29, 2022 18:49:06 GMT -5
Good Grief! How medieval - amputate a toe and no pain meds!
|
|
|
|
Post by urbino on Jan 29, 2022 19:10:55 GMT -5
Yoinks!
|
|
|
|
Post by trailboss on Jan 29, 2022 20:12:39 GMT -5
Wow… just wow!
|
|
|
|
Post by terrapinflyer on Jan 30, 2022 12:07:00 GMT -5
What? They kept 12 5mg Vicodin tablets off the street. Think of all the heroin/fentanyl abusers this has saved. We all have to do our part. /s.
They couldn't write a paper script?! Or even dispensed it through the hospital pharmacy? I guess he couldn't complain or beg, because they'd think he was faking...an amputation. Freakin' barbaric. I would have jumped off the wagon for the night.
It's a sore subject for me--no pun intended.
|
|
|
|
Post by Ronv69 on Jan 30, 2022 12:52:15 GMT -5
Every time we have a procedure that merits pain meds, we ration what we take to the bare minimum, making sure that we keep some back for emergencies such as this, or the long drive to the emergency room if a kidney stone happens. We had a much larger supply before we were conned out of a bunch by an addict at our previous church. He had conned the whole congregation but no one was talking about it. I will never trust a clown again.
|
|
|
|
Post by Legend Lover on Jan 31, 2022 9:41:42 GMT -5
Surely that's malpractice. Just because a computer won't let a script be printed doesn't mean the script doesn't get printed. Those guys have a duty of care for patients. That's out of order, in my opinion.
|
|
|
|
Post by cigrmaster on Jan 31, 2022 11:55:57 GMT -5
I would have contacted an attorney as soon as you were done getting pain meds from your primary care doctor. This is a slam dunk malpractice suit if I have ever heard of one.
Don't let them get away with that shite.
|
|
|
|
Post by Ronv69 on Jan 31, 2022 13:20:13 GMT -5
I would have contacted an attorney as soon as you were done getting pain meds from your primary care doctor. This is a slam dunk malpractice suit if I have ever heard of one. Don't let them get away with that shite. Ditto! |
|
|
|
Post by sperrytops on Jan 31, 2022 13:28:02 GMT -5
Just think, our recent ancestors back in the 1800's dealt with this kind of situation as routine. Man up, you guys! Just kidding
|
|
|
|
Post by toshtego on Jan 31, 2022 13:57:33 GMT -5
I would have contacted an attorney as soon as you were done getting pain meds from your primary care doctor. This is a slam dunk malpractice suit if I have ever heard of one. Don't let them get away with that shite. The law here makes it almost impossible to sue a hospital successfully. Even the most odious malpractice by hospital staff is within the bounds of their lawful operation. One has to prove willful negligence, a standard almost impossible to meet. This same patient, in 2012, went to our local hospital complaining of chest pains. At that time he had no history of cardiac abnormality and was substantially over weight. The ER MD ran him through a CT scan of his stomach. Pronounced him constipated with acid indigestion complications. Sent him home with laxative and anti-acid meds. Person went home and four hours later his aorta delaminated from the top loop to the Illiac branch in the groin area. Long story short, he lived despite the severely wrong diagnosis. The CT scan missed the upper aorta where the delamination had begun because the MD was so certain it was a tummy ache. So, patient tried to sue and could not find an attorney to take the case. No way to overcome the built in defenses hospitals have.. |
|
|
|
Post by toshtego on Jan 31, 2022 14:01:44 GMT -5
Every time we have a procedure that merits pain meds, we ration what we take to the bare minimum, making sure that we keep some back for emergencies such as this, or the long drive to the emergency room if a kidney stone happens. We had a much larger supply before we were conned out of a bunch by an addict at our previous church. He had conned the whole congregation but no one was talking about it. I will never trust a clown again. I have little patience with drug addicts. Known too many over the decades. These people prevent legitimate pain management. Two of my neighbors shot themselves in the head because of their cancer pain and the inability to get prescription pain meds. No one cared about them. Of course, the MDs do not have to walk by the patients homes and listen to the screaming from pain. |
|
|
|
Post by sperrytops on Jan 31, 2022 14:52:16 GMT -5
Very hard to sue a physician, let alone a hospital. You not only need an attorney who'll take it on, you need a physician who will be willing to contradict the work of the first physician. That's almost impossible to find. As for the hospitals, if they say they are following accepted practice for the symptoms and test results, they are home free.
|
|
|
|
Post by sperrytops on Jan 31, 2022 14:59:04 GMT -5
Oops. Posted that last post in the wrong place. Not snuff related.
|
|
|
|
Post by terrapinflyer on Jan 31, 2022 15:14:36 GMT -5
Every time we have a procedure that merits pain meds, we ration what we take to the bare minimum, making sure that we keep some back for emergencies such as this, or the long drive to the emergency room if a kidney stone happens. We had a much larger supply before we were conned out of a bunch by an addict at our previous church. He had conned the whole congregation but no one was talking about it. I will never trust a clown again. I have little patience with drug addicts. Known too many over the decades. These people prevent legitimate pain management. Two of my neighbors shot themselves in the head because of their cancer pain and the inability to get prescription pain meds. No one cared about them. Of course, the MDs do not have to walk by the patients homes and listen to the screaming from pain. I have some sympathy for drug addicts, as I had problems with alcohol. However, you're absolutely correct that they are the reason Americans can't get pain medication. That's the "crisis." These meds are some of the safest medicines we have, when used responsibly. Using an ever increasing amount to get high and mixing with other depressants to get high and using fentanyl to get high is what's killing people. |
|
|
|
Post by Ronv69 on Jan 31, 2022 21:09:47 GMT -5
Very hard to sue a physician, let alone a hospital. You not only need an attorney who'll take it on, you need a physician who will be willing to contradict the work of the first physician. That's almost impossible to find. As for the hospitals, if they say they are following accepted practice for the symptoms and test results, they are home free. I doubt that a judge or jury would need to hear from another doctor to find for the plaintiff in this case. It's pretty much clear cut. |
|
|
|
Post by pepesdad1 on Jan 31, 2022 21:53:23 GMT -5
My primary care physician had to fight with the Walmart pharmacy to get them to understand that I had a real need for my pain meds every month...even went to the trouble to get a consult from a world renown orthopedic surgeon in Gainesville, Fl. to verify that I had permanent, un-remitting pain in my back as back-up documentation for the Walmart pharmacist so that he didn't get crap from "headquarters" about the level of pain meds I use daily. It was a battle, but I no longer get questions about what I need each month and they always have my pain meds on hand for me now. PIA but necessary.
|
|
|
|
Post by Gypo on Jan 31, 2022 22:06:29 GMT -5
My primary care physician had to fight with the Walmart pharmacy to get them to understand that I had a real need for my pain meds every month...even went to the trouble to get a consult from a world renown orthopedic surgeon in Gainesville, Fl. to verify that I had permanent, un-remitting pain in my back as back-up documentation for the Walmart pharmacist so that he didn't get crap from "headquarters" about the level of pain meds I use daily. It was a battle, but I no longer get questions about what I need each month and they always have my pain meds on hand for me now. PIA but necessary. I am sorry to hear of your back pain. I do know what back pain is but not at that level in a very long time. Doc fixed mine two bulging disc's 36 traction treatments to put them back I am very grateful to have found the right person to fix it. He built his own traction machines. |
|
|
|
Post by toshtego on Jan 31, 2022 22:15:44 GMT -5
Very hard to sue a physician, let alone a hospital. You not only need an attorney who'll take it on, you need a physician who will be willing to contradict the work of the first physician. That's almost impossible to find. As for the hospitals, if they say they are following accepted practice for the symptoms and test results, they are home free. I doubt that a judge or jury would need to hear from another doctor to find for the plaintiff in this case. It's pretty much clear cut. One would think so. |
|
|
|
Post by urbino on Jan 31, 2022 22:28:48 GMT -5
My primary care physician had to fight with the Walmart pharmacy to get them to understand that I had a real need for my pain meds every month...even went to the trouble to get a consult from a world renown orthopedic surgeon in Gainesville, Fl. to verify that I had permanent, un-remitting pain in my back as back-up documentation for the Walmart pharmacist so that he didn't get crap from "headquarters" about the level of pain meds I use daily. It was a battle, but I no longer get questions about what I need each month and they always have my pain meds on hand for me now. PIA but necessary. Sorry to hear it was such an ordeal, but I'm glad you at least are getting the meds you need. |
|
|
|
Post by urbino on Jan 31, 2022 22:29:59 GMT -5
My primary care physician had to fight with the Walmart pharmacy to get them to understand that I had a real need for my pain meds every month...even went to the trouble to get a consult from a world renown orthopedic surgeon in Gainesville, Fl. to verify that I had permanent, un-remitting pain in my back as back-up documentation for the Walmart pharmacist so that he didn't get crap from "headquarters" about the level of pain meds I use daily. It was a battle, but I no longer get questions about what I need each month and they always have my pain meds on hand for me now. PIA but necessary. I am sorry to hear of your back pain. I do know what back pain is but not at that level in a very long time. Doc fixed mine two bulging disc's 36 traction treatments to put them back I am very grateful to have found the right person to fix it. He built his own traction machines. My traction machine is the floor. I lay down flat on it till my back stops hurting.  Usually a couple of days. |
|
|
|
Post by Gandalf on Jan 31, 2022 22:46:54 GMT -5
I've had some problems getting pain killers back in 2018.
All the concerns about opioids. New laws and new rules the insurance companies put in place - made it hard to get them.
I had an emergency room doctor prescribe 3 days worth of pain killers. I got my regular doctor to write continue a prescription. The insurance wouldn't fill the second prescription. They had a "rule" that they wouldn't fill an opioid prescription more often than every 7 days - even though they knew the original prescription was only for 3 days. They were doing their part in the fight against opioid addiction.
So I had to pay for them myself.
When they were willing to pay, they would only pay for 7 days, even though the prescription was for 2 weeks. And once you used the script for 7 days worth, it was done. You couldn't use it the next week for the rest of the pills. So I had to go back to the doctor early for another script and they had to verify the I had only gotten 7 days worth, not 14 days worth, before they would issue another script.
And insurance wouldn't fill the prescription "early". I had to pick it up the day I ran out of pills and hope they had it in stock - and they didn't always have it in stock. Again, due to the crack down on opioids.
Then I saw a neurosurgeon about the problem - slipped/bulged disc in my neck. The next time I tried to get a prescription from my doctor, you'd think I was public enemy #1. I was suddenly breaking the law asking my doctor for another prescription, because now I was seeing a neurosurgeon about the problem. So, I'm out of pills and trying to get a hold of the neurosurgeon for a prescription.
Another case where the government addressed the problem by screwing the general public while not making any real impact on the abuse.
|
|
|
|
Post by urbino on Jan 31, 2022 22:54:11 GMT -5
I've had some problems getting pain killers back in 2018. All the concerns about opioids. New laws and new rules the insurance companies put in place - made it hard to get them. I had an emergency room doctor prescribe 3 days worth of pain killers. I got my regular doctor to write continue a prescription. The insurance wouldn't fill the second prescription. They had a "rule" that they wouldn't fill an opioid prescription more often than every 7 days - even though they knew the original prescription was only for 3 days. They were doing their part in the fight against opioid addiction. So I had to pay for them myself. When they were willing to pay, they would only pay for 7 days, even though the prescription was for 2 weeks. And once you used the script for 7 days worth, it was done. You couldn't use it the next week for the rest of the pills. So I had to go back to the doctor early for another script and they had to verify the I had only gotten 7 days worth, not 14 days worth, before they would issue another script. And insurance wouldn't fill the prescription "early". I had to pick it up the day I ran out of pills and hope they had it in stock - and they didn't always have it in stock. Again, due to the crack down on opioids. Then I saw a neurosurgeon about the problem - slipped/bulged disc in my neck. The next time I tried to get a prescription from my doctor, you'd think I was public enemy #1. I was suddenly breaking the law asking my doctor for another prescription, because now I was seeing a neurosurgeon about the problem. So, I'm out of pills and trying to get a hold of the neurosurgeon for a prescription. Another case where the government addressed the problem by screwing the general public while not making any real impact on the abuse. Legislation is a blunt tool, but it's what we've got. Hope you get some relief soon, Monty. |
|
|
|
Post by Ronv69 on Jan 31, 2022 23:03:15 GMT -5
I've had some problems getting pain killers back in 2018. All the concerns about opioids. New laws and new rules the insurance companies put in place - made it hard to get them. I had an emergency room doctor prescribe 3 days worth of pain killers. I got my regular doctor to write continue a prescription. The insurance wouldn't fill the second prescription. They had a "rule" that they wouldn't fill an opioid prescription more often than every 7 days - even though they knew the original prescription was only for 3 days. They were doing their part in the fight against opioid addiction. So I had to pay for them myself. When they were willing to pay, they would only pay for 7 days, even though the prescription was for 2 weeks. And once you used the script for 7 days worth, it was done. You couldn't use it the next week for the rest of the pills. So I had to go back to the doctor early for another script and they had to verify the I had only gotten 7 days worth, not 14 days worth, before they would issue another script. And insurance wouldn't fill the prescription "early". I had to pick it up the day I ran out of pills and hope they had it in stock - and they didn't always have it in stock. Again, due to the crack down on opioids. Then I saw a neurosurgeon about the problem - slipped/bulged disc in my neck. The next time I tried to get a prescription from my doctor, you'd think I was public enemy #1. I was suddenly breaking the law asking my doctor for another prescription, because now I was seeing a neurosurgeon about the problem. So, I'm out of pills and trying to get a hold of the neurosurgeon for a prescription. Another case where the government addressed the problem by screwing the general public while not making any real impact on the abuse. Pain meds are relatively cheap. Tell the pharmacist to not run it through insurance. |
|
|
|
Post by toshtego on Jan 31, 2022 23:18:54 GMT -5
I've had some problems getting pain killers back in 2018. All the concerns about opioids. New laws and new rules the insurance companies put in place - made it hard to get them. I had an emergency room doctor prescribe 3 days worth of pain killers. I got my regular doctor to write continue a prescription. The insurance wouldn't fill the second prescription. They had a "rule" that they wouldn't fill an opioid prescription more often than every 7 days - even though they knew the original prescription was only for 3 days. They were doing their part in the fight against opioid addiction. So I had to pay for them myself. When they were willing to pay, they would only pay for 7 days, even though the prescription was for 2 weeks. And once you used the script for 7 days worth, it was done. You couldn't use it the next week for the rest of the pills. So I had to go back to the doctor early for another script and they had to verify the I had only gotten 7 days worth, not 14 days worth, before they would issue another script. And insurance wouldn't fill the prescription "early". I had to pick it up the day I ran out of pills and hope they had it in stock - and they didn't always have it in stock. Again, due to the crack down on opioids. Then I saw a neurosurgeon about the problem - slipped/bulged disc in my neck. The next time I tried to get a prescription from my doctor, you'd think I was public enemy #1. I was suddenly breaking the law asking my doctor for another prescription, because now I was seeing a neurosurgeon about the problem. So, I'm out of pills and trying to get a hold of the neurosurgeon for a prescription. Another case where the government addressed the problem by screwing the general public while not making any real impact on the abuse. Pain meds are relatively cheap. Tell the pharmacist to not run it through insurance. Easier said than done. Here in NM, MDs and hospitals have eliminated paper scripts. All electronic notification. There is no good way to tell the Pharmacy not to follow what they have on record and not notify the insurance company. That is done before the wire script is filled. |
|
|
|
Post by Ronv69 on Jan 31, 2022 23:43:36 GMT -5
Pain meds are relatively cheap. Tell the pharmacist to not run it through insurance. Easier said than done. Here in NM, MDs and hospitals have eliminated paper scripts. All electronic notification. There is no good way to tell the Pharmacy not to follow what they have on record and not notify the insurance company. That is done before the wire script is filled. Just tell them you are paying cash, full price. I do it all the time. I have been known to fill certain scripts at a pharmacy that I haven't given my insurance to. |
|
|
|
Post by Gandalf on Feb 1, 2022 8:35:28 GMT -5
I've had some problems getting pain killers back in 2018. All the concerns about opioids. New laws and new rules the insurance companies put in place - made it hard to get them. I had an emergency room doctor prescribe 3 days worth of pain killers. I got my regular doctor to write continue a prescription. The insurance wouldn't fill the second prescription. They had a "rule" that they wouldn't fill an opioid prescription more often than every 7 days - even though they knew the original prescription was only for 3 days. They were doing their part in the fight against opioid addiction. So I had to pay for them myself. When they were willing to pay, they would only pay for 7 days, even though the prescription was for 2 weeks. And once you used the script for 7 days worth, it was done. You couldn't use it the next week for the rest of the pills. So I had to go back to the doctor early for another script and they had to verify the I had only gotten 7 days worth, not 14 days worth, before they would issue another script. And insurance wouldn't fill the prescription "early". I had to pick it up the day I ran out of pills and hope they had it in stock - and they didn't always have it in stock. Again, due to the crack down on opioids. Then I saw a neurosurgeon about the problem - slipped/bulged disc in my neck. The next time I tried to get a prescription from my doctor, you'd think I was public enemy #1. I was suddenly breaking the law asking my doctor for another prescription, because now I was seeing a neurosurgeon about the problem. So, I'm out of pills and trying to get a hold of the neurosurgeon for a prescription. Another case where the government addressed the problem by screwing the general public while not making any real impact on the abuse. Legislation is a blunt tool, but it's what we've got. Hope you get some relief soon, Monty. This was back in 2018. I had surgery to remove the disc and fuse the vertebrae later that year. No problems since, except some slight numbness in a couple fingers of my right hand. My trigger finger, wouldn't you know! |
|
|
|
Post by Gandalf on Feb 1, 2022 8:36:54 GMT -5
I've had some problems getting pain killers back in 2018. All the concerns about opioids. New laws and new rules the insurance companies put in place - made it hard to get them. I had an emergency room doctor prescribe 3 days worth of pain killers. I got my regular doctor to write continue a prescription. The insurance wouldn't fill the second prescription. They had a "rule" that they wouldn't fill an opioid prescription more often than every 7 days - even though they knew the original prescription was only for 3 days. They were doing their part in the fight against opioid addiction. So I had to pay for them myself. When they were willing to pay, they would only pay for 7 days, even though the prescription was for 2 weeks. And once you used the script for 7 days worth, it was done. You couldn't use it the next week for the rest of the pills. So I had to go back to the doctor early for another script and they had to verify the I had only gotten 7 days worth, not 14 days worth, before they would issue another script. And insurance wouldn't fill the prescription "early". I had to pick it up the day I ran out of pills and hope they had it in stock - and they didn't always have it in stock. Again, due to the crack down on opioids. Then I saw a neurosurgeon about the problem - slipped/bulged disc in my neck. The next time I tried to get a prescription from my doctor, you'd think I was public enemy #1. I was suddenly breaking the law asking my doctor for another prescription, because now I was seeing a neurosurgeon about the problem. So, I'm out of pills and trying to get a hold of the neurosurgeon for a prescription. Another case where the government addressed the problem by screwing the general public while not making any real impact on the abuse. Pain meds are relatively cheap. Tell the pharmacist to not run it through insurance. That's what I did in a couple of cases. The pills were fairly inexpensive. |
|
|
|
Post by Gypo on Feb 1, 2022 8:58:15 GMT -5
I am sorry to hear of your back pain. I do know what back pain is but not at that level in a very long time. Doc fixed mine two bulging disc's 36 traction treatments to put them back I am very grateful to have found the right person to fix it. He built his own traction machines. My traction machine is the floor. I lay down flat on it till my back stops hurting. Usually a couple of days. I am glad that works for you. |
|
