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Post by msokeefe on Feb 2, 2022 20:31:02 GMT -5
Being 4 months into pipe smoking, most times I have a great smoke, sometimes not so great. What pipe shapes should I be using for English blends and what shapes for flake Va. to get the best smoke. I have 3 Petersen 87 apples, 2 Petersen full bent 03 apples, 1 Petersen bulldog, 2 Savinelli 122 bent pots, and a Stanwell military mount billiard. I do admit that I chose these pipes for their looks. I have cobs and featherweights for Aros.
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Post by darktater on Feb 2, 2022 20:34:05 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I think this is one of those questions you can only answer for yourself. I like narrower chambers for my Virginias, and wider chambers for my English / Balkan blends. Some ( Sav 673 for example) work pretty well for both. All part of the wonderful mystery of pipe smoking...
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Post by Zach on Feb 2, 2022 20:42:12 GMT -5
Agree with darktater here. I don't generally take stock in any size/shape for particular blends, with few exceptions. I do think that English mixtures tend to smoke better in a larger pipe in general and you don't want to smoke English mixtures at least, in a tiny pipe. The multiple varietals of leaf meld better and sort of "open up" when given a larger chamber. A lot of folks like to smoke a straight Virginia, like a Virginia flake in a small bowled pipe because it can concentrate the flavor and make for a shorter smoke. From here it's really down to preference. I like to smoke my favorite burley-based blends in cobs because cob really lends itself to burley and especially C&D burleys and it opens up the burley flavor and keeps it cool.
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Post by brobs on Feb 2, 2022 20:42:21 GMT -5
It’s a myth that pipe shape has jack schit to do with anything. Just keep track of which tobacco smokes well in which pipes.
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Post by urbino on Feb 2, 2022 20:49:39 GMT -5
Yeah, the thing you hear most often is, as the guys have said, narrower chambers for Virginias, wider ones for English, and cobs for Burley. How much it actually matters for you, specifically, is extremely variable.
I try to avoid ghosting my good pipes, but other than that I don't pay much attention.
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Post by darktater on Feb 2, 2022 20:54:34 GMT -5
I actually have a pipe on the way, that was purchased for Virginia blends in particular. Most of my pipe are pretty much dedicated to whatever I feel like smoking. The exception being the big Savinelli 804, which is just too bit a bowl (for me) for Virginia blend...
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msokeefe
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Post by msokeefe on Feb 2, 2022 20:56:49 GMT -5
Great advice guys. Would I be correct to use the 87 apple Petersens for Va?
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Post by urbino on Feb 2, 2022 20:59:43 GMT -5
I smoke them in mine with no complaints.
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Post by Zach on Feb 2, 2022 21:00:27 GMT -5
I tend to smoke Virginia based blends and VaPers in medium to larger pipes myself. Make some mental notes on pipes that you think smoked off, and then experiment for something better by following it up with the same blend in a different pipe. There are many factors that make for an off smoke, sometimes blends just don't smoke that great in a certain pipe, then you find out it smokes just wonderfully in a cob, etc. If a pipe has gotten a bit sour, maybe the pipe needs a good cleaning. Factors like if the tobacco is moist are huge. The first few months I smoked a pipe, I didn't even have a clue I was smoking wet tobacco and that tobacco should be dried.In particular with that aspect alone, explain to us how exactly you are preparing your tobaccos as that can help. What blends are you having troubles with, and are those blends pretty moist right out of a tin? If so, you should be fully rubbing the tobacco out and allowing it to dry until it's not able to be pinched and clump together. The tobacco should be getting a little crispy.
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Post by urbino on Feb 2, 2022 21:01:04 GMT -5
I actually have a pipe on the way, that was purchased for Virginia blends in particular. Most of my pipe are pretty much dedicated to whatever I feel like smoking. The exception being the big Savinelli 804, which is just too bit a bowl (for me) for Virginia blend... I've got a couple of chimney/stack pipes I got with Virginias in mind, but honestly I've just kinda smoked whatever in them. Of course, 75% of what I smoke is a Virgnia-based blend of some kind, so YMMV and all that.
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Post by darktater on Feb 2, 2022 21:03:00 GMT -5
I actually have a pipe on the way, that was purchased for Virginia blends in particular. Most of my pipe are pretty much dedicated to whatever I feel like smoking. The exception being the big Savinelli 804, which is just too bit a bowl (for me) for Virginia blend... I've got a couple of chimney/stack pipes I got with Virginias in mind, but honestly I've just kinda smoked whatever in them. Of course, 75% of what I smoke is a Virgnia-based blend of some kind, so YMMV and all that. I hear ya! I've tried Va's in the bigger bowl, just didn't really work for me. Isn't it crazy how much variation there is in what we like? I have 2 cobs that really sing with the Va's...
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Post by Zach on Feb 2, 2022 21:06:46 GMT -5
And I mean, it can take many years to get pipes dialed in how you like them, sounds crazy but it's really true. Not just any one pipe, but I mean sometimes, you have to smoke 200 grams of a tobacco to know whether it smoked best in your cobs, large briars, small bowled briars, meerschaum, etc. I've smoked a whole tin of one tobacco thinking it wasn't all that great, until I suddenly smoked it in "THIS" pipe, and then it zinged like a charm. I also don't think you can really give most complex mixtures a real rating until you've smoked at least 10-15 bowls of it in various pipes.
Virginia flakes and Va/Pers also smoke really excellent in cobs. English blends smoke excellent in larger cobs. Lots of experiments. Don't get discouraged! That's the fun in it!
While trying to give tips and advice I'd also like to point out that contrary to what the real "relax and enjoy every single bowl" smokers tend to lead you to believe, sometimes a smoke is just a smoke. Sometimes, a bowl isn't good. You can always dump it out and smoke something else!
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Post by Silver on Feb 2, 2022 21:07:53 GMT -5
Burley-forward blends mostly in cobs, Virginia blends and flakes in deeper/larger bowls. English tobaccos in English dedicated pipes. That still leaves a lot of pipes that I'll pretty much smoke anything but latakia in.
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Post by msokeefe on Feb 2, 2022 21:31:07 GMT -5
I tend to smoke Virginia based blends and VaPers in medium to larger pipes myself. Make some mental notes on pipes that you think smoked off, and then experiment for something better by following it up with the same blend in a different pipe. There are many factors that make for an off smoke, sometimes blends just don't smoke that great in a certain pipe, then you find out it smokes just wonderfully in a cob, etc. If a pipe has gotten a bit sour, maybe the pipe needs a good cleaning. Factors like if the tobacco is moist are huge. The first few months I smoked a pipe, I didn't even have a clue I was smoking wet tobacco and that tobacco should be dried.In particular with that aspect alone, explain to us how exactly you are preparing your tobaccos as that can help. What blends are you having troubles with, and are those blends pretty moist right out of a tin? If so, you should be fully rubbing the tobacco out and allowing it to dry until it's not able to be pinched and clump together. The tobacco should be getting a little crispy. I run a pipe cleaner through the stem, then the bowl, after ever smoke. Then use a paper towel in the bowl. Every two weeks I use an EA Carey pipe fresh. I find that the smoking has improved with lighter packing. Especially since I have the finesse of a Silverback gorilla. I thoroughly rub out flake as I am not experienced enough to fold and stuff.
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Post by brobs on Feb 2, 2022 21:56:19 GMT -5
What the hell is an EA Carey pipe fresh?
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Post by terrapinflyer on Feb 2, 2022 22:09:54 GMT -5
It's a pipe fresh sold by E A Carey.
Cobs'll never let you down.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 2, 2022 22:11:29 GMT -5
Being 4 months into pipe smoking, most times I have a great smoke, sometimes not so great. What pipe shapes should I be using for English blends and what shapes for flake Va. to get the best smoke. I have 3 Petersen 87 apples, 2 Petersen full bent 03 apples, 1 Petersen bulldog, 2 Savinelli 122 bent pots, and a Stanwell military mount billiard. I do admit that I chose these pipes for their looks. I have cobs and featherweights for Aros. I tend to prefer the full bent Petersons. But it depends. On everything else.
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Post by msokeefe on Feb 2, 2022 22:42:40 GMT -5
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Post by chasingembers on Feb 3, 2022 4:13:12 GMT -5
What pipe shapes should I be using for English blends and what shapes for flake Va. to get the best smoke. Marketing myth. The best smoke comes from 90% technique and 10% equipment. Provided a pipe is drilled well, your technique will make or break the experience.
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Post by chasingembers on Feb 3, 2022 4:14:53 GMT -5
As long as you keep a pipe clean after smoking, it'll never sour.
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Post by sperrytops on Feb 3, 2022 13:30:49 GMT -5
The only rules I follow are if its an aro I generally smoke it in a cob or meerschaum, and that's to prevent ghosting in my briars; if I think it'll burn hot I'll pick up a smaller bowl, or if I think it'll burn cool (most English blends) I'll pick up a larger bowl. That works for me.
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Post by henry on Feb 3, 2022 15:02:51 GMT -5
Falcon is a good option if the design doesn't turn you off. Like Carey based on a re-thinking of filtering.
If any deity is listening my biggest wish is that Falcon bowls were available in wood alternatives to briar (apple, cherry & especially osage orange).
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Post by Goldbrick on Feb 4, 2022 8:58:19 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I think this is one of those questions you can only answer for yourself. I like narrower chambers for my Virginias, and wider chambers for my English / Balkan blends. Some ( Sav 673 for example) work pretty well for both. All part of the wonderful mystery of pipe smoking... Words of wisdom, tall, narrow bowls for flakes, and other than that, if you find one pipe offers a more impressive English smoke, it likely has more to do with the age of the briar, but even grain and fibers in the wood, has much more to do with your smoking experience than shape. I will say that when I get my hands on a nice straight bulldog ,with a smooth, flat rim, I start looking for a good English, but that's a personal issue; I just enjoy a big ole bulldog with English blends...a pot or billiard will do the job just as well.
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Post by Winton on Feb 7, 2022 7:17:09 GMT -5
I only buy pipes with a taper stem. It has nothing to do with taste, aerodynamics, or any other criteria. WHY? ? Because, this is what I want to do. The same applies to tobacco. I refuse to smoke Latakia.
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Post by msokeefe on Feb 20, 2022 22:44:22 GMT -5
I only buy pipes with a taper stem. It has nothing to do with taste, aerodynamics, or any other criteria. WHY? ? Because, this is what I want to do. The same applies to tobacco. I refuse to smoke Latakia. You had me until you said you refuse to smoke Latakia. (Lol)
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Post by chasingembers on Feb 20, 2022 23:37:50 GMT -5
I only buy pipes with a taper stem. It has nothing to do with taste, aerodynamics, or any other criteria. WHY? ? Because, this is what I want to do. The same applies to tobacco. I refuse to smoke Latakia. You had me until you said you refuse to smoke Latakia. (Lol) After several years, many give it up altogether. At thirty years in, I lost my taste for it five years ago, anything with more than a condiment amount of latakia started tasting exactly the same.
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Post by msokeefe on Feb 21, 2022 0:55:01 GMT -5
I agree Latakia to me is a condiment tobacco.
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Post by urbino on Feb 21, 2022 1:32:26 GMT -5
Same for me. But then you've got just ol ed, who sprinkles it on his salads.
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Post by terrapinflyer on Feb 21, 2022 9:23:34 GMT -5
Falcon is a good option if the design doesn't turn you off. Like Carey based on a re-thinking of filtering. If any deity is listening my biggest wish is that Falcon bowls were available in wood alternatives to briar (apple, cherry & especially osage orange). I thought there was at least one carver making after market bowls for Falcons and maybe Kirstens. A deep Google might pull someone up and maybe an alt-wood bowl might be commissioned? My memory might not be trustworthy, but I'm pretty sure I've seen such.
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Post by Silver on Feb 21, 2022 9:39:41 GMT -5
Same for me. But then you've got just ol ed , who sprinkles it on his salads. Schwan's makes salads?
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