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Post by Zach on Jan 15, 2023 20:35:21 GMT -5
It's superb that we do not see othering and tribalism here.
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Post by don on Jan 15, 2023 21:29:49 GMT -5
You are all wrong and only I know the truth. But I am keeping it to myself.
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Post by dervis on Jan 20, 2023 1:08:30 GMT -5
Underlying health issues aside, natural immunity is no longer a metric in decisions. It is also not profitable.
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Post by Stearmandriver on Jan 20, 2023 6:57:27 GMT -5
What's silly about injecting antibodies intramuscular in the first place is that these are engineered antibodies made to fight off infection. The immune system makes antibodies after it's started to fight off an infection. This is similar to a metabolite. This is similar to ash after a fire. But we don't go around smearing ash on something after it's burned down to prevent fires. A 145,000 dalton-sized (proton) covid antibody cannot be injected intramuscular and ever pass through the lung barrier to fight a COVID19 lung infection in the first place. The lung barrier blocks particles the size of 18 dalton and larger. I recognize that it'll be difficult to say this without sounding argumentative, but I really do not mean to be argumentative. The thing is that you seem to drawing a lot of bad conclusions, based on severe misunderstandings. In the first place, the large majority of COVID vaccines administered have been mRNA vaccines. They contain no antibodies at all (no vaccine does); nor do they contain any antigen (as most vaccines do.). They work by instructing your cells to produce a protein unique to COVID, so that your body learns to generate an immune response to that protein. This way, when you experience a COVID infection, you may still have antibodies in your system but more importantly, your immune system (through a T cell response) recognizes it immediately and generates the correct immune response. So I'm not sure what you were getting at about injecting antibodies. We don't do that. Apologies if I'm misunderstanding, but it sounds like you're presenting the idea that vaccines in general don't work. This is a tough argument when we've got decades of data proving vaccines are highly effective. Regarding the CDC and VAERS, the only thing I could find that tripped investigation criteria in their VSD was a risk of ischemic stroke in older folks; but this failed to validate in subsequent analyses (plural), meaning it's not real. Further investigation will still be done because that's how thorough these things are, but if it were real it would have tripped in most data samples they looked at. Anything else you're referring to must be coming strictly from VAERS. Remember that VAERS is a collection of un-vetted self reports, nothing more. The VAERS system itself places a very prominent warning on its website and all its material warning that no conclusions can be drawn from any data it contains, since none of it is vetted in any way. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 20, 2023 10:54:49 GMT -5
We have 2 years proving that mrna "vaccines" are only slightly effective.
I believe that they were injecting antibodies into people who had been diagnosed with Covid-19, including the Presidents. I here you, but we are capable of thinking for ourselves.
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Post by Zach on Jan 20, 2023 18:01:46 GMT -5
What's silly about injecting antibodies intramuscular in the first place is that these are engineered antibodies made to fight off infection. The immune system makes antibodies after it's started to fight off an infection. This is similar to a metabolite. This is similar to ash after a fire. But we don't go around smearing ash on something after it's burned down to prevent fires. A 145,000 dalton-sized (proton) covid antibody cannot be injected intramuscular and ever pass through the lung barrier to fight a COVID19 lung infection in the first place. The lung barrier blocks particles the size of 18 dalton and larger. I recognize that it'll be difficult to say this without sounding argumentative, but I really do not mean to be argumentative. The thing is that you seem to drawing a lot of bad conclusions, based on severe misunderstandings. In the first place, the large majority of COVID vaccines administered have been mRNA vaccines. They contain no antibodies at all (no vaccine does); nor do they contain any antigen (as most vaccines do.). They work by instructing your cells to produce a protein unique to COVID, so that your body learns to generate an immune response to that protein. This way, when you experience a COVID infection, you may still have antibodies in your system but more importantly, your immune system (through a T cell response) recognizes it immediately and generates the correct immune response. So I'm not sure what you were getting at about injecting antibodies. We don't do that. Apologies if I'm misunderstanding, but it sounds like you're presenting the idea that vaccines in general don't work. This is a tough argument when we've got decades of data proving vaccines are highly effective. Regarding the CDC and VAERS, the only thing I could find that tripped investigation criteria in their VSD was a risk of ischemic stroke in older folks; but this failed to validate in subsequent analyses (plural), meaning it's not real. Further investigation will still be done because that's how thorough these things are, but if it were real it would have tripped in most data samples they looked at. Anything else you're referring to must be coming strictly from VAERS. Remember that VAERS is a collection of un-vetted self reports, nothing more. The VAERS system itself places a very prominent warning on its website and all its material warning that no conclusions can be drawn from any data it contains, since none of it is vetted in any way. You are absolutely correct, and I must have been having a couple drinks that night the way I worded what I'd said. I was referring to two different issues, and was actually referring to monoclonal antibodies while talking about messenger RNA engineered and brought on S proteins creation and then antibodies the body produces. Everything else I referred to are papers rating the efficacy of the mRNA and scattered in there I also bashed monoclonal antibodies but didn't mean those statements in reference to how mRNA prompts antibody responses. Sorry for that, it was poorly written.
To clarify, the CDC have analyzed VAERS reports and charted the data to show all the adverse effects of the mRNA vaccines and I referred to that and not taking VAERS alone at face value. It's self reporting. Lastly, I'm fully vaccinated with traditional vaccines; polio, MMR, etc. I just question any efficacy the genetically engineered route to elicit S protein and then antibodies.
I believe everyone vaccinated I know of by this point has generally gotten pretty sick with Covid anyway so long as they become exposed.
I believe that there may be newer medicines to block the spike protein and otherwise that may get approved the traditional routes (testing and non-emergency authorizations.)
Most people have received the mRNA vaccines and not Regeneron or Eli Lilly monoclonal antibodies (lab created) and those are typically administered, I believe, by IV. They may also be injected. Typically used when someone is already severely sick with Covid. These references I made are more in reference to other conversations that did not take place within this very thread about using the monoclonal antibodies and how they're not effective due to how they work and their sheer size. This part of my rant stems from discussions pertaining to currently in development "better" antibody therapies and how I believe they'll not work as expected. Overall, I was ranting against monoclonal antibodies usage as well as mRNA efficacy. The way I'd worded it made it sound like I meant the mRNA vaccines are using antibodies, they are not.
I appreciate the correction, I seem to have forgotten or snipped out the other part of my stream of conscious thought and argument about antibody use and started talking about it directly after discussing the vaccines. Those portions are largely in reference to ongoing plans to further antibody treatments such as what Eli Lilly are doing.
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Post by trailboss on Jan 20, 2023 19:40:09 GMT -5
Every-time I see the thread title I think of this song.
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Post by Yohanan on Jan 20, 2023 21:06:54 GMT -5
I think of this one.
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Post by bonanzadriver on Jan 22, 2023 1:51:04 GMT -5
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Post by Zach on Jan 22, 2023 2:54:50 GMT -5
All the videos out there of the dozens and dozens of folks globally just sticking their hands up and stroking out and dropping dead, on camera, have been giving me the chills for weeks. It's happening nonstop.
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Post by trailboss on Jan 22, 2023 10:27:46 GMT -5
Bill and Melinda Gates have been big proponents of depopulation and global birth control, paying the freight for it all. As soon as a vaccine for Covid was mentioned, he did everything he could to try and be on the committee that oversaw it all, and was pissed when he was told no. I smelled a rat. |
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Post by Stearmandriver on Jan 22, 2023 19:35:05 GMT -5
There are over 8 billion people in the world. That's 8 thousand million people.
Some of them are going to die, guys. Every day.
If a vaccine that didn't exist 3 years ago is now killing many of them, then why aren't more of them dying now than 3 years ago... When the vaccine didn't exist?
That's what I mean about looking at raw data. It's just that simple.
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Post by trailboss on Jan 22, 2023 19:50:43 GMT -5
There are over 8 billion people in the world. That's 8 thousand million people. Some of them are going to die, guys. Every day. If a vaccine that didn't exist 3 years ago is now killing many of them, then why aren't more of them dying now than 3 years ago... When the vaccine didn't exist? That's what I mean about looking at raw data. It's just that simple. I know it is anecdotal, but I have two vaxxed friends that died, none that chose not to. Going with my gut feeling over the bureaucrats, my gut feeling has a higher record of accuracy. I hope the future bodes well for you, I have no regrets. |
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Post by bonanzadriver on Jan 22, 2023 20:59:12 GMT -5
There are over 8 billion people in the world. That's 8 thousand million people. Some of them are going to die, guys. Every day. If a vaccine that didn't exist 3 years ago is now killing many of them, then why aren't more of them dying now than 3 years ago... When the vaccine didn't exist? That's what I mean about looking at raw data. It's just that simple. Have you watched the documentary? |
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Post by toshtego on Jan 22, 2023 21:01:54 GMT -5
Vaxxed people died. unvaxxed people died. People die. follow your own judgement.
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Post by trailboss on Jan 22, 2023 21:04:34 GMT -5
There are over 8 billion people in the world. That's 8 thousand million people. Some of them are going to die, guys. Every day. If a vaccine that didn't exist 3 years ago is now killing many of them, then why aren't more of them dying now than 3 years ago... When the vaccine didn't exist? That's what I mean about looking at raw data. It's just that simple. Have you watched the documentary? Guessing not. Initially I had great faith in the âprofessionalsâ. Too many things lacking consistency afterwards, a serious shite show of covering their asses on previous declarations. |
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Post by bonanzadriver on Jan 22, 2023 21:05:02 GMT -5
Vaxxed people died. unvaxxed people died. People die. follow your own judgement. Can't disagree with your simplistic statement. And not delving into the reports of "over reporting" covid deaths, my reason for starting this thread is the apparent under reporting of vax related deaths and the under reporting of the spike in "Sudden Deaths" across the globe. |
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Zach
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Post by Zach on Jan 22, 2023 21:34:57 GMT -5
There are over 8 billion people in the world. That's 8 thousand million people. Some of them are going to die, guys. Every day. If a vaccine that didn't exist 3 years ago is now killing many of them, then why aren't more of them dying now than 3 years ago... When the vaccine didn't exist? That's what I mean about looking at raw data. It's just that simple. Uh, many more children and totally healthy young adults in the prime of their lives are suddenly dying from ischemic strokes, clotting, and "heart attacks" than prior to mid 2021. Hundreds of percent increase more. And you're right, the data is simple. |
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Post by Zach on Jan 22, 2023 22:04:29 GMT -5
I think of 4 Non Blondes - What's Goin' On
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Post by Zach on Jan 22, 2023 22:09:58 GMT -5
The current leading cause of death, is an "unknown cause of death." In first world countries, over heart disease, strokes, and diabetes combined. It's anything but the vaccines though, right? Let's not get into all the psyop news articles in the hundreds across all media warning that young people could die from heart attacks from things such as "shoveling snow" or "climate change." These articles are so insidiously absurd. There are more "sudden unknown cause of death" now than from Covid. And this is a fact and not speculation. Again, for many it's oddly "Anything But Vaccine." Strange.
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Post by trailboss on Jan 22, 2023 22:14:24 GMT -5
I think of 4 Non Blondes - What's Goin' On
Hopefully some will come to their senses. âWe need to act nowâ seems to be the call of so many in contemporary society, seen if for a long time and their calls ring hallow. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 22, 2023 22:32:19 GMT -5
There are over 8 billion people in the world. That's 8 thousand million people. Some of them are going to die, guys. Every day. If a vaccine that didn't exist 3 years ago is now killing many of them, then why aren't more of them dying now than 3 years ago... When the vaccine didn't exist? That's what I mean about looking at raw data. It's just that simple. Actually, there are more people dying of heart disease than before the pandemic. Why? I dunno. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 22, 2023 23:03:10 GMT -5
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Post by turbocat on Jan 22, 2023 23:56:31 GMT -5
I think of 4 Non Blondes - What's Goin' On
Off topic, but I get a little upset when I see that song/group. I got stuck paying the lead singerâs (Linda Perry) cell phone bill from the late 90âs, about 20 years ago. It was almost $700. The reason this happened is a bit too complicated to explain here, but I couldnât help but vent for a moment. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 23, 2023 0:00:08 GMT -5
I think of 4 Non Blondes - What's Goin' On
Off topic, but I get a little upset when I see that song/group. I got stuck paying the lead singerâs (Linda Perry) cell phone bill from the late 90âs, about 20 years ago. It was almost $700. The reason this happened is a bit too complicated to explain here, but I couldnât help but vent for a moment. I've known girls that their only reason for living was to suck as much money out of guys as possible. They are they're own worst problem. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 23, 2023 0:01:06 GMT -5
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Post by sperrytops on Jan 23, 2023 12:23:40 GMT -5
Bill and Melinda Gates have been big proponents of depopulation and global birth control, paying the freight for it all. As soon as a vaccine for Covid was mentioned, he did everything he could to try and be on the committee that oversaw it all, and was pissed when he was told no. I smelled a rat. Rumble, now there's a reliable site. Kind of like citing YouTube as a reference source for your Doctoral thesis. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 23, 2023 14:46:53 GMT -5
Bill and Melinda Gates have been big proponents of depopulation and global birth control, paying the freight for it all. As soon as a vaccine for Covid was mentioned, he did everything he could to try and be on the committee that oversaw it all, and was pissed when he was told no. I smelled a rat. Rumble, now there's a reliable site. Kind of like citing YouTube as a reference source for your Doctoral thesis. Beats citing CNN or the New York Times. đ |
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Post by mwps70 on Jan 23, 2023 19:47:07 GMT -5
Rumble, now there's a reliable site. Kind of like citing YouTube as a reference source for your Doctoral thesis. Beats citing CNN or the New York Times. đ Agreed! |
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Post by trailboss on Jan 23, 2023 20:34:14 GMT -5
Aint that the truth.. the legacy media has proven time and time that they cannot be counted on for any honest evaluation, or fair reporting on any news stories.
I donât subscribe to Rumble, but I had to do my homework to find true and trusted resources, and it certainly is not the old guard that has any type of objectivity or journalistic integrity.
Sadly, so many are willing to listen to them âjournalistsâ I am in and out of homes all day long and see that there are a lot of people that have not figured that out.
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