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Post by bonanzadriver on Jan 11, 2023 22:55:22 GMT -5
Don't know bout you guys / gals, but it sure seems that a week, sometimes a day, doesn't go by without another story about someone collapsing or dying suddenly. Mostly athletes, here and abroad.
Before one of the mods gets all jittery, I don't want this to devolve into political rhetoric, I just want to understand it better. If it is jab related, my concerns are for my kids that were required to take em because of their jobs.
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Post by trailboss on Jan 11, 2023 23:30:14 GMT -5
I cannot remember the numbers, but I heard a news story the other day where Europe was tracking the deaths of young athletes. It was something like 52 athletes per year across Europe died suddenly pre-Covid.
During Covid and post, it skyrocketed into the thousands. They do not know whether it might be attributed to the virus, or the vaccine but suggested that it bears looking into.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 11, 2023 23:53:20 GMT -5
It's hard to say, a lot of young athletes, especially black men, have hidden heart issues that don't show up until something goes wrong, or they get hit just right. I wouldn't want to speculate.
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Post by sperrytops on Jan 12, 2023 11:57:30 GMT -5
Or does it have to do with an increase in use of performance enhancing drugs?
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 12, 2023 12:25:44 GMT -5
Or does it have to do with an increase in use of performance enhancing drugs? I don't think this kid used anything like that. He's an all around good kid. Just happy he's OK. I think his career is over though.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 12, 2023 12:30:35 GMT -5
Some good came out of this. 40 million people prayed for him and his doctors said that his recovery was a miracle. Anything that can bring America to it's knees is a win, in my opinion.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jan 12, 2023 14:30:58 GMT -5
I've had a similar thought regarding the virus itself - before COVID, I rarely heard of people getting pneumonia. Now, it's almost every other person is suffering from it. I wonder has COVID done a number on some people's lungs when they had COVID without them knowing it (because they had milder symptoms, but it has left them vulnerable to future infections/pneumonia).
Just a thought - and again, like Dino said, I don't want this getting derailed, but it's certainly interesting to see what the next wee while looks like.
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Post by Stearmandriver on Jan 13, 2023 6:54:59 GMT -5
The easy answer is no. If there were, it would be in the data.
The CDC and other entities collect and publish death data regularly. Interestingly, the death rate pre-covid was extremely constant; roughly the same percentage of the population died year over year for the past couple decades. We saw a large spike in the "extra death" numbers during the pandemic, and in the last year these numbers are back down to normal levels.
Literally billions of people worldwide have now received COVID vaccines. Just like if they affected fertility or miscarriages, if they were in any way related to deaths, the data would be very apparent. There would be no way it could be masked.
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Post by turbocat on Jan 13, 2023 7:24:47 GMT -5
The easy answer is no. If there were, it would be in the data. The CDC and other entities collect and publish death data regularly. Interestingly, the death rate pre-covid was extremely constant; roughly the same percentage of the population died year over year for the past couple decades. We saw a large spike in the "extra death" numbers during the pandemic, and in the last year these numbers are back down to normal levels. Literally billions of people worldwide have now received COVID vaccines. Just like if they affected fertility or miscarriages, if they were in any way related to deaths, the data would be very apparent. There would be no way it could be masked. Iām not sure that because we arenāt being told something is happening means nothing is happening. For example, Thalidomide was banned for causing birth defects (a close friend of mine was one of those affected, born missing an arm and with many other problems) 12 years after it hit the market. The birth defects were happening for those 12 years even though they werenāt reported and coordinated until the time of banning its use.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 13, 2023 10:55:01 GMT -5
The easy answer is no. If there were, it would be in the data. The CDC and other entities collect and publish death data regularly. Interestingly, the death rate pre-covid was extremely constant; roughly the same percentage of the population died year over year for the past couple decades. We saw a large spike in the "extra death" numbers during the pandemic, and in the last year these numbers are back down to normal levels. Literally billions of people worldwide have now received COVID vaccines. Just like if they affected fertility or miscarriages, if they were in any way related to deaths, the data would be very apparent. There would be no way it could be masked. Oh, well if the CDC says it's OK.... š
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 13, 2023 10:56:58 GMT -5
Dogfight Bonanza vs Stearman! My money is on the Stearman! š
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Post by Legend Lover on Jan 13, 2023 11:11:06 GMT -5
Dogfight Bonanza vs Stearman! My money is on the Stearman! š š¤¦š»āāļø
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Post by trailboss on Jan 13, 2023 11:15:45 GMT -5
Went over my head at firstā¦ both Bonanza and Stearman are aircraft.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 13, 2023 11:18:51 GMT -5
Went over my head at firstā¦ both Bonanza and Stearman are aircraft. š š
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Post by trailboss on Jan 13, 2023 11:30:29 GMT -5
It is undeniable that it was a creation of the Chinese labs. People that worked there have risked their lives by going on the record to tell us so.
The global community seems to be unwilling to hold them accountable for the millions of deaths.
It will be interesting to see if there will ever be an honest rendering of the facts. The covers have been pulled back on the Twitter filesā¦how the collusion took place between bureaucrats and Twitter execs to silence professionals that did not march to the tune that others demanded.
Healthy debates and challenging views can only benefit humanity when searching for a solution to something of this nature. A lot of financial interests in telling people to get in line and shut up.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 13, 2023 13:10:58 GMT -5
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Post by Stearmandriver on Jan 13, 2023 17:17:15 GMT -5
The easy answer is no. If there were, it would be in the data. The CDC and other entities collect and publish death data regularly. Interestingly, the death rate pre-covid was extremely constant; roughly the same percentage of the population died year over year for the past couple decades. We saw a large spike in the "extra death" numbers during the pandemic, and in the last year these numbers are back down to normal levels. Literally billions of people worldwide have now received COVID vaccines. Just like if they affected fertility or miscarriages, if they were in any way related to deaths, the data would be very apparent. There would be no way it could be masked. Iām not sure that because we arenāt being told something is happening means nothing is happening. For example, Thalidomide was banned for causing birth defects (a close friend of mine was one of those affected, born missing an arm and with many other problems) 12 years after it hit the market. The birth defects were happening for those 12 years even though they werenāt reported and coordinated until the time of banning its use. I hear you, but the difference is one of scale. Remember, Thalidomide was pulled from use in pregnant women once there was conclusive data. (It was also the drug that forced modernization of drug regulations in many countries, but that isn't really applicable here.) Literally BILLIONS of doses of these vaccines have been administered. BILLIONS. It's not a specialty drug that only a small fraction of the population ever took (like Thalidomide or mostly anything else.). A large percentage - I think even a majority, now - of all human beings on this planet have received these vaccines. If these vaccines were killing people, causing heart failure (or any other significant condition), causing miscarriages, or doing ANYTHING, it would be very clear in the data. Not data that's being collected or manipulated in any way, but just in the raw numbers. Consider how hospitalizations and deaths from COVID absolutely tanked in country after country as the vaccines were introduced. That's the kind of affect I'm talking about, because that's something the vaccines actually did do. Deaths have not increased since the vaccines; they are in fact back down to pre-pandemic levels; much lower than during the pandemic but before vaccines. Miscarriages have not increased; their incidence as a percentage of pregnancies has not changed worldwide. It doesn't take "trusting the CDC" (though automatically mistrusting them doesn't make much sense either.). It's simply in the raw numbers anyone can look at.
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Post by Stearmandriver on Jan 13, 2023 17:43:35 GMT -5
Dogfight Bonanza vs Stearman! My money is on the Stearman! š š. An interesting match. He's got the speed and the vertical, but I can handily out-turn him. š
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Post by urbino on Jan 13, 2023 18:00:54 GMT -5
There's something happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 13, 2023 18:53:49 GMT -5
Dogfight Bonanza vs Stearman! My money is on the Stearman! š š. An interesting match. He's got the speed and the vertical, but I can handily out-turn him. š Yeah, my money is on the Stearman, if you can actually fly it. ššš¤
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 13, 2023 18:55:35 GMT -5
China has released the Kraken! Covid-19 Version XBB.1.5! They update more than Microsoft.
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Post by sperrytops on Jan 13, 2023 19:47:36 GMT -5
The Kraken! Now you're talkin.' ![](https://i.imgur.com/uai0UGM.jpg)
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Post by trailboss on Jan 13, 2023 20:20:01 GMT -5
There's something happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear. Every body look what's going down.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 13, 2023 20:38:21 GMT -5
I'd like to change the world, but I don't know what to do, so I'm leaving it up to you.
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Post by trailboss on Jan 13, 2023 20:49:06 GMT -5
I'd like to change the world, but I don't know what to do, so I'm leaving it up to you. Libs keep on breeding Nation bleeding, still more feeding, economy....
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Post by Zach on Jan 13, 2023 21:29:51 GMT -5
The truth is not allowed, best to shut it down. The truth is political, and it's always offensive.
The CDC just released their very own of analysis they promised much sooner on VAERS reports on COVID19. The data suggests in and of itself that the vaccine has approximately 5.5x as many serious adverse events reported compared to all released vaccines since 2009. (73k vs 13k) The data also suggests for all three researched age groups certain types of AE that are not caused by COVID19, such as appendicitis. There are 96 safety signals for age group 12-17, including myocarditis, pericarditis, Bell's Palsy, genital ulcerations, high blood pressure and heartrate, cardiac valve incompetencies, pulmonary embolism, cardiac arrhythmias, thromboses, pericardial and pleural effusion, appendicitis and/or perforated appendix, immune thrombocytopenia, chest pains, increased troponin level, needing anticoagulant therapy. 66 similar safety signals for age group 5-11 years old. Numbers of these children dropping dead died the day after vaccination from myocardial issue and inflammation. Many of those aren't being counted and reported via VAERS but more are coming and there are more than 500 verifiable cases. Prior to 2020 we'd see about 29 per year of what is now being deemed "Sudden Adult Death Syndrome" and far more rare children 18 and younger dying from these same issues. Now since mid 2021, we've seen this number climb to 30 per month, then 50 per month, and now seeing up to 100 SADS deaths from myocardial and clotting conditions. The CDC VAERS analysis was done on data from December 14th, 2020 - July 29th, 2022. They only just released this data. We see that the US no longer leads in health care and we have small countries like Denmark, now leading the way. They halted their vaccine program for further efficacy and testing. Take this data and just read it as what it is, for the data. I'm not posting links and I think another 6-12 months will be more telling how these things shift. What's silly about injecting antibodies intramuscular in the first place is that these are engineered antibodies made to fight off infection. The immune system makes antibodies after it's started to fight off an infection. This is similar to a metabolite. This is similar to ash after a fire. But we don't go around smearing ash on something after it's burned down to prevent fires. A 145,000 dalton-sized (proton) covid antibody cannot be injected intramuscular and ever pass through the lung barrier to fight a COVID19 lung infection in the first place. The lung barrier blocks particles the size of 18 dalton and larger.
Just to steelman I'd say there are certainly cases in which organs have been affected by the viral spike proteins themselves and there are bound to be those with myocardial issues from that infection. Diabetic and other comorbidity are serious factors for those at high risk, but you'll never be told to stop sucking down sugar and to exercise. Just take your fourth shot that should have been intramuscular but went intravenous. Or, likely, many of these clinics allowed the vaccines to warm up and the antibody was destroyed and you instead got injected with nothing.
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Post by Zach on Jan 13, 2023 21:43:57 GMT -5
There's something happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear. Every body look what's going down. Open the door, get on the floor, everybody walk the dinosaur.
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Post by turbocat on Jan 13, 2023 22:09:21 GMT -5
Iām not sure that because we arenāt being told something is happening means nothing is happening. For example, Thalidomide was banned for causing birth defects (a close friend of mine was one of those affected, born missing an arm and with many other problems) 12 years after it hit the market. The birth defects were happening for those 12 years even though they werenāt reported and coordinated until the time of banning its use. I hear you, but the difference is one of scale. Remember, Thalidomide was pulled from use in pregnant women once there was conclusive data. (It was also the drug that forced modernization of drug regulations in many countries, but that isn't really applicable here.) Literally BILLIONS of doses of these vaccines have been administered. BILLIONS. It's not a specialty drug that only a small fraction of the population ever took (like Thalidomide or mostly anything else.). A large percentage - I think even a majority, now - of all human beings on this planet have received these vaccines. If these vaccines were killing people, causing heart failure (or any other significant condition), causing miscarriages, or doing ANYTHING, it would be very clear in the data. Not data that's being collected or manipulated in any way, but just in the raw numbers. Consider how hospitalizations and deaths from COVID absolutely tanked in country after country as the vaccines were introduced. That's the kind of affect I'm talking about, because that's something the vaccines actually did do. Deaths have not increased since the vaccines; they are in fact back down to pre-pandemic levels; much lower than during the pandemic but before vaccines. Miscarriages have not increased; their incidence as a percentage of pregnancies has not changed worldwide. It doesn't take "trusting the CDC" (though automatically mistrusting them doesn't make much sense either.). It's simply in the raw numbers anyone can look at. I have no argument with what you are saying, however it does seem to be based on reviewed data, not raw data and entirely anecdotal. I am not aware of the CDC releasing raw data. All data I am aware of has been assigned, qualified and categorized. Even when totals are looked at, those figures are often still not ārawā, since they are selectively released. I have yet to see any data which people may think is ārawā data that actually is and this has been true prior to Covid. Everything that Iāve looked at has qualifications based on who and how it was gathered, if there was review of the process and often that there were exclusions among many other factors. Not many people take the time to read the pages of qualifiers and footnotes that are linked to the data they are seeing. Itās worth noting also that the CDC doesnāt provide that information with the data they release, you have to search for it in the referenced addendums. Then there has been blatant obfuscation of data relating to deaths āwithā Covid and deaths āfromā Covid. Two different things, but have not always been honestly reported as such in the past few years by the CDC and government agencies. If someone feels the need to obscure parts of the information they are telling me, I am, quite reasonably, going to have a healthy skepticism regarding everything they say. For clarity I donāt believe that anything is happening that we are yet to be aware of and I donāt believe that itās not either. I just believe that we canāt KNOW at this point. I also donāt have any issues with vaccines and Iām not on a āsideā on Covid or the vaccines. Iām just looking at everything with my healthy skepticism. Thatās the only source of my points.
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Post by trailboss on Jan 13, 2023 22:22:48 GMT -5
" I also donāt have any issues with vaccines and Iām not on a āsideā on Covid or the vaccines. Iām just looking at everything with my healthy skepticism. Thatās the only source of my points."
Kind of where I am at. not in the camp of the anti vaxxers, not in the camp of the bureaucrats...I have a healthy skepticism of both. But I am suspicious of both sides, I only hope and pray that there can be a full rendering of it all and that the best interests of the population can be brought to bear. and... but if there is any criminality involved for profit over life, those involved are prosecuted, The anti vaxxers I am not so hardcore against though, it is all about individual choices, and we have to make our own decisions and live with the results based on our own situation.
Not political at all... just about individual choice. My wife was vaxxed, I chose not do do so...but we both are in a different place healthwise, we have to do our own homework.
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Post by urbino on Jan 13, 2023 22:54:27 GMT -5
This isnāt going to go over well here, but vaccination, unfortunately, is not just an individual choice. Itās a choice about everyone around us.
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