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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 11:11:17 GMT -5
Part 3 of ‘Ulysses’: if you get this far Eumaeus well finish it! (pun alert)
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 2, 2019 11:53:34 GMT -5
I love Tennyson's Ulysses, Joyce's is rubbish. 😵
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 12:01:21 GMT -5
I love Tennyson's Ulysses, Joyce's is rubbish. 😵 Wyndham Lewis, my favourite, wrote in ‘Time and Western Man’ that ‘Ulysses’: 'lands the reader inside an Aladdin's cave of incredible bric-à-brac, in which a dense mass of dead stuff is collected, from 1901 toothpaste, a bar or two of sweet Rosie O'Grady, to pre-nordic architecture. An immense nature-morte is the result. This ensues from the method of confining the reader in a circumscribed psychological space into which several encyclopaedias have been emptied....It is a suffocating, moeotic expanse of objects, all of them lifeless, the sewage of a Past twenty years old.' ‘[It] will remain, eternally cathartic, a monument like a record diarrhoea....He collected like a cistern in his youth the last stagnant pumpings of Victorian Anglo-Irish life. This he held steadfastly intact for fifteen years or more—then when he was ripe, as it were, he discharged it, in a dense mass, to his eternal glory. That was Ulysses.’ peterchrisp.blogspot.com/2014/01/wyndham-lewis.html
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 2, 2019 12:08:54 GMT -5
I love Tennyson's Ulysses, Joyce's is rubbish. 😵 Wyndham Lewis, my favourite, wrote in ‘Time and Western Man’ that ‘Ulysses’: 'lands the reader inside an Aladdin's cave of incredible bric-à-brac, in which a dense mass of dead stuff is collected, from 1901 toothpaste, a bar or two of sweet Rosie O'Grady, to pre-nordic architecture. An immense nature-morte is the result. This ensues from the method of confining the reader in a circumscribed psychological space into which several encyclopaedias have been emptied....It is a suffocating, moeotic expanse of objects, all of them lifeless, the sewage of a Past twenty years old.' ‘[It] will remain, eternally cathartic, a monument like a record diarrhoea....He collected like a cistern in his youth the last stagnant pumpings of Victorian Anglo-Irish life. This he held steadfastly intact for fifteen years or more—then when he was ripe, as it were, he discharged it, in a dense mass, to his eternal glory. That was Ulysses.’ peterchrisp.blogspot.com/2014/01/wyndham-lewis.htmlI read his writing on Joyce as more to my way of thinking than the excerpt illustrates. But I am hesitant to associate myself with the man who wrote the first biography of Hitler and "The Jews, are They Human". Just say'n.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 2, 2019 12:13:07 GMT -5
Thus: Throughout Ulysses he betrays a "radical conventionality of outlook," in all of which he is "a craftsman not a creator." A virtuoso at the typewriter, he is no great thinker, hanging "a mass of dead stuff" on "lay-figures" (mannequins, nonentities) "without a life of their own."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 12:19:06 GMT -5
Wyndham Lewis, my favourite, wrote in ‘Time and Western Man’ that ‘Ulysses’: 'lands the reader inside an Aladdin's cave of incredible bric-à-brac, in which a dense mass of dead stuff is collected, from 1901 toothpaste, a bar or two of sweet Rosie O'Grady, to pre-nordic architecture. An immense nature-morte is the result. This ensues from the method of confining the reader in a circumscribed psychological space into which several encyclopaedias have been emptied....It is a suffocating, moeotic expanse of objects, all of them lifeless, the sewage of a Past twenty years old.' ‘[It] will remain, eternally cathartic, a monument like a record diarrhoea....He collected like a cistern in his youth the last stagnant pumpings of Victorian Anglo-Irish life. This he held steadfastly intact for fifteen years or more—then when he was ripe, as it were, he discharged it, in a dense mass, to his eternal glory. That was Ulysses.’ peterchrisp.blogspot.com/2014/01/wyndham-lewis.htmlI read his writing on Joyce as more to my way of thinking than the excerpt illustrates. But I am hesitant to associate myself with the man who wrote the first biography of Hitler and "The Jews, are They Human". Just say'n. TJATH is a pro-Semitic book that satires a previously written book by another author entitled ‘The English. Are they human?” It was welcomed and praised by British Jews and hated by anti-semites. The Hitler book is very hard to come by so I’ve not read it, but Lewis’s own subsequent criticism and disavowing of it plus his publication of ‘The Hitler Cult and How It Will End’, which I own and have read, not to mention his being ‘beastly dead’ since 1957, provide ample evidence that it is perfectly safe to ‘associate’ oneself with Lewis.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 2, 2019 12:26:13 GMT -5
I haven't read those or anything about them. I ran across the material on Ulysses when I was wondering if I was the only one who who thought it was trash. It's even worse than Catcher in the Rye. And that's saying something. It is for a very few English majors with language fetishishs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 13:38:04 GMT -5
I haven't read those or anything about them. I ran across the material on Ulysses when I was wondering if I was the only one who who thought it was trash. It's even worse than Catcher in the Rye. And that's saying something. It is for a very few English majors with language fetishishs. I’ve not read Catcher since middle school when it was gifted to me (with a strong insistence that I actually read the thing) by one of my many egghead relatives. I wouldn’t read it again let alone study it. It is a morose little genre satire with little practical use. My reading and study of Joyce’s two important satirical books (FW is vastly superior to Ulysses) goes along with the works of Lewis (all of them, both as artist and writer, satiric and non) and the two late McLuhans. Eric McLuhan’s ‘The Role of Thunder in Finnegans Wake’ is a beautiful summation of their work. If it were up to me every copy Joyce’s tomes would come with the complete works of Lewis and the McLuhans. Getting to Joyce/Lewis via Marshall and Eric has been very fruitful, valuable and enjoyable!
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 2, 2019 13:57:00 GMT -5
I read Finnegans Wake in my early teens and liked it. I found out earlier that I missed almost everything important about the book. You have to have a guide if you aren't an expert in the culture of Ireland at the time.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 2, 2019 14:29:20 GMT -5
I found an excerpt of TJ,ATH and I recalled reading it in my early teens when I was trying to find out everything I could about the history of the Jews. To understand, let me explain. My first barbershop was owned by a couple of Jews that had survived Buchenwald. I was a constant reader from the time my mom first showed me how. But they had a couple of picture books in the barber shop. They have both influenced me for life. One was "Small Arms of the World", and the other didn't have a name. It was pictures of from the death camps, and it was a very thick book. So I have been fascinated by the history of the Jews since I got my first haircut. I was just reading last night about Richard 1 and his weak attempts to protect the Jews as well as his enemies inciting violence against them. So 65 years or so of study and I have read a lot of what's out there, even Mein Kampf. None of my Jewish friends were ever religious or interested in their past in the least. Anyway, I saw a few other books by Wyndham Lewis that I want to read. Thanks for the lead.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 15:34:58 GMT -5
I read Finnegans Wake in my early teens and liked it. I found out earlier that I missed almost everything important about the book. You have to have a guide if you aren't an expert in the culture of Ireland at the time. It also helps to be conversant in 72 languages and fluent in, at least, English, Irish, Norwegian, German. The joke is on us as is all great Menippean satire. In the case of FW (Joseph Campbell and the ‘exagminers’ notwithstanding) yes, there is no ‘Bloomsday Book’, but Eric McLuhan’s seminal ‘Role of Thunder in FW’ is an indispensably useful, practical, open ended guide (of sorts) to what Joyce is up to. There’s lots of fun to be had at Finnegans Wake! There are a couple of copies on eBay: www.ebay.com/itm/Role-of-Thunder-in-Finnegans-Wake-Hardcover-by-McLuhan-Eric-Like-New-Used/382915102805?epid=398378&hash=item592784c855:g:WB0AAOSwnXhcvjnX
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 15:48:06 GMT -5
Incidentally, while Lewis was a fervent critic of Joyce he did step back from it later in life. Joyce of course died before the inevitable thaw and reconciliation and Lewis included his literary regrets indirectly in his late, Nobel deserving, novel ‘Self Condemned’. (Note the absence of a hyphen is Lewis’s title vis a vis the absence of an apostrophe in FW).
There is no progressive point to be made condemning Lewis as he already did it to himself with the same aesthetic detachment he brought to bear on Joyce, Stein, Hemingway, Eliot, Pound, et al.
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Post by instymp on Nov 2, 2019 18:14:28 GMT -5
"Russian Tanks of World War II: Stalin's Armoured Might", by Tim Bean and Will Fowler. I'm on a tank kick of late. My Grandmothers maiden name was Rommel. Her 2nd. cousin was the Desert Fox.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Nov 2, 2019 18:20:41 GMT -5
Lots of killing in Frank Hamer book, tough booger!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 12:41:41 GMT -5
Lots of killing in Frank Hamer book, tough booger! That, he was.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 3, 2019 23:23:49 GMT -5
Lots of killing in Frank Hamer book, tough booger! Some people need killing and it takes a tough man to do it.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 3, 2019 23:25:34 GMT -5
Incidentally, while Lewis was a fervent critic of Joyce he did step back from it later in life. Joyce of course died before the inevitable thaw and reconciliation and Lewis included his literary regrets indirectly in his late, Nobel deserving, novel ‘Self Condemned’. (Note the absence of a hyphen is Lewis’s title vis a vis the absence of an apostrophe in FW). There is no progressive point to be made condemning Lewis as he already did it to himself with the same aesthetic detachment he brought to bear on Joyce, Stein, Hemingway, Eliot, Pound, et al. Too bad that Poe wasn't around to critique Joyce.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 3, 2019 23:26:14 GMT -5
"Russian Tanks of World War II: Stalin's Armoured Might", by Tim Bean and Will Fowler. I'm on a tank kick of late. My Grandmothers maiden name was Rommel. Her 2nd. cousin was the Desert Fox. I have always heard that he was quite a gentleman.
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Post by jeffd on Nov 6, 2019 14:07:52 GMT -5
I read a lot of spy thrillers, much like many on here. I'm currently reading "A Death in Vienna" by Daniel Silva which is awesome because I was just in Vienna and know a lot of where he is talking about in the book. I highly recommend his books. I just started that book. On your recommendation. I like it and I don't, if you know what I mean. I like the story and the pacing. But some of the details are so very personal it gets uncomfortable to read, or to know this guy Silva is writing it. NOt just intimacy, but moments of confession or relating experiences. The only other author that had this effect on me is Greg Iles. I can't pinpoint it, and I am sure it greatly depends on the reader. It is somehow "too much information", and I might prefer the character refuse to talk or that I did not have access to the deepest parts of a character's memory. I dunno. Maybe I am a prude sometimes.
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Post by instymp on Nov 6, 2019 17:40:53 GMT -5
Lots of killing in Frank Hamer book, tough booger! Bought it on your recommendation start it after the 3 from the library are done. Thanks. Liked the movie so.... Noticed on Amazon there were a couple more about him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 19:48:01 GMT -5
I just started reading Star Wars Heir to the Empire (The Thrawn Trilogy Book 1) by Timothy Zahn. I've read several comments that the new Star Wars movies should have been based on this Star Wars Expanded Universe trilogy rather than the Disney "stuff". I'm not far enough into the book to have an opinion yet, but I really dislike where Disney has taken things.
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Post by Penzaholic on Dec 30, 2019 23:33:02 GMT -5
Positive Humanism
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Post by jeffd on Dec 31, 2019 13:01:25 GMT -5
Reading "The Indian Clerk" by David Leavitt, an historical novel about Cambridge and math.
Also reading "Two Pints" by Roddy Doyle, a collection of hilarious dialogues between the Irish equivalent of "working joes" in a bar. Really funny, but rib hurting funny if you like Irish culture.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 7:33:32 GMT -5
Just finished the last book of “The Wheel of Time” series by Robert Jordan and Brandon Sanderson.
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Post by Penzaholic on Jan 1, 2020 9:21:02 GMT -5
Replace Capitalism
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Post by Darin on Jan 3, 2020 12:31:02 GMT -5
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Post by toshtego on Jan 3, 2020 12:44:21 GMT -5
Winds of War by Herman Wouk, pre cursor to WWII about a fictional Navy Family, even was a TV mini series. Good Book. I re-read The Caine Mutiny about every ten years. Great book, too.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 3, 2020 19:20:53 GMT -5
Way more than I want to know. Thanks.
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Post by Darin on Jan 3, 2020 19:41:44 GMT -5
Way more than I want to know. Thanks. Someone has to know this stuff ... I'm taking one for the team!
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