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Post by bonanzadriver on Jun 30, 2017 22:52:35 GMT -5
As some of you may very well know, Photobucket changed their terms of service.
Photobucket is one of many sites that allowed you to host your photos on their site and then share them with 3rd party sites.
In other words. All of the photo's I've posted here and elsewhere are linked back to my photobucket account.
This morning I received a rude awakening and discovered that EVERY picture I've posted here and on the other pipe forums now have been denied access to my photo album unless I pay a ransom.
I know, I know, I'm a Cheap Sum Bitch and there's no such thing as a free lunch. But the increase of what they require to have the "3rd Party Sharing" option is absolutely outrageous. It's not an extra $20, $50 or even $100 a year...
It's over $500!
Yup 5 Benjamins if I want to liberate my photo album.
So, please accept my apologies for all of my pictures being absent from my previous posts. I'll spend a little time this weekend and see how many of them I can retrieve and either find another site or some other way to post em.
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Post by zeavran1 on Jun 30, 2017 23:05:25 GMT -5
My pics as well. What a load of crap!! Can't imagine they have many happy members.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 23:46:33 GMT -5
At the Garage Journal forum there are 2 threads on this subject. Guys that have hundreds of pictures of their car and garage builds all lost. I have close to 1K pics on PB, and it will be a great loss to me if/when they are gone.
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Post by JimInks on Jul 1, 2017 1:17:55 GMT -5
Mine are still there. I'm not paying them a dime, either.
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Post by bonanzadriver on Jul 1, 2017 1:28:01 GMT -5
Mine are still there. I'm not paying them a dime, either. I'll spend some time moving all of my pics this weekend and try to restore some of the previous postings. I did send em an email though Jim... Told em to "Go Fry an Egg"  |
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Post by papipeguy on Jul 1, 2017 7:43:13 GMT -5
I stopped using Photobucket a few years ago and now use Imgur. Way easier and faster.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 8:29:04 GMT -5
I've had my share of problems with Photobucket but, not this one.
I'm unsure why your using it to post photos here because you can post/host your own directly from your PC here.....Unless you send photos via PM to members. And I'm not sure why we can't host them from our PC in PM's.
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Post by Artistik on Jul 1, 2017 9:09:36 GMT -5
I just went to the Photobucket site. It is $500 to share photos on a wen site such as TBP. No more Photobucket for me.
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Post by stvalentine on Jul 1, 2017 11:42:33 GMT -5
Photobucket is the new ransomware! Al my poste pictures are there but it could be worse: An aquaintance of mine has over 6.000 photos there that he must now take care of!  |
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Post by goose on Jul 1, 2017 11:43:22 GMT -5
 I have a hard time with all those photo sites
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 11:47:11 GMT -5
It would be great to see everyone get together and boycott them, and be able to ruin them into bankruptcy and closure, but the Sheeple will just likely be conforming and pay their ransom.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 15:47:09 GMT -5
Pure Greed. Wonder what effect this will have on Forums that push/blackmail their membership to use PB.
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Post by Grimpeur on Jul 1, 2017 15:54:44 GMT -5
If it was twenty-five or fifty dollars, I could see greed as an explanation, and some paying to use PB. But five hundred dollars!?!? There must be more to this story...
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Post by sablebrush52 on Jul 1, 2017 16:34:53 GMT -5
The news stories give the subscription price as $399 a year. What's the big deal?
Photobucket is a business, not a charity. A lot of businesses were posting on Photobucket to use images in their commercial enterprises, so Photobucket is now acting to get a piece of that pie. Members not posting images to other sites will see no new fees, at least for the time being.
People have been getting a lot of freebies while the digital economy has been developing and that's finally coming to an end. Sure Photobucket handled this as ineptly as possible, giving their subscribership no warning. But the majority of wireheads I've dealt with over the decades are socially clueless, so no surprise there.
This is simple capitalism. If you don't like the deal, go elsewhere. Photobucket will respond to market conditions like any other business. If they lose revenue they'll rethink the deal and alter it. Photobucket is here to make money for its owners, not be a charity or a social service.
BTW, I don't use Photobucket. I've never liked the site, and all those pop up ads are a distraction. For a little while longer, there are better places to post images. Assuming that the new Photobucket subscription rates are accepted by their members, these other sites will soon follow suit, so get used to fees.
In the meantime, continue to enjoy your freebies while you can.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 17:57:12 GMT -5
The news stories give the subscription price as $399 a year. What's the big deal? Photobucket is a business, not a charity. A lot of businesses were posting on Photobucket to use images in their commercial enterprises, so Photobucket is now acting to get a piece of that pie. Members not posting images to other sites will see no new fees, at least for the time being. People have been getting a lot of freebies while the digital economy has been developing and that's finally coming to an end. Sure Photobucket handled this as ineptly as possible, giving their subscribership no warning. But the majority of wireheads I've dealt with over the decades are socially clueless, so no surprise there. This is simple capitalism. If you don't like the deal, go elsewhere. Photobucket will respond to market conditions like any other business. If they lose revenue they'll rethink the deal and alter it. Photobucket is here to make money for its owners, not be a charity or a social service. BTW, I don't use Photobucket. I've never liked the site, and all those pop up ads are a distraction. For a little while longer, there are better places to post images. Assuming that the new Photobucket subscription rates are accepted by their members, these other sites will soon follow suit, so get used to fees. In the meantime, continue to enjoy your freebies while you can. That was helpful. Simple capitalism. No advance warning required, right? |
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Post by Lady Margaret on Jul 1, 2017 18:46:16 GMT -5
I walked away from Photobucket awhile back. It was getting to be too much of a pain -- the ads slowed down uploading, etc. I use imgur now, but I always have my photos backed up to a hard drive because stuff like this happens. Websites go down, etc.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Jul 2, 2017 2:04:31 GMT -5
The news stories give the subscription price as $399 a year. What's the big deal? Photobucket is a business, not a charity. A lot of businesses were posting on Photobucket to use images in their commercial enterprises, so Photobucket is now acting to get a piece of that pie. Members not posting images to other sites will see no new fees, at least for the time being. People have been getting a lot of freebies while the digital economy has been developing and that's finally coming to an end. Sure Photobucket handled this as ineptly as possible, giving their subscribership no warning. But the majority of wireheads I've dealt with over the decades are socially clueless, so no surprise there. This is simple capitalism. If you don't like the deal, go elsewhere. Photobucket will respond to market conditions like any other business. If they lose revenue they'll rethink the deal and alter it. Photobucket is here to make money for its owners, not be a charity or a social service. BTW, I don't use Photobucket. I've never liked the site, and all those pop up ads are a distraction. For a little while longer, there are better places to post images. Assuming that the new Photobucket subscription rates are accepted by their members, these other sites will soon follow suit, so get used to fees. In the meantime, continue to enjoy your freebies while you can. That was helpful. Simple capitalism. No advance warning required, right? Nope. No advance notice required. And consumers and clients have the right to vote with their business. I've stopped being a customer a number of times when a business acted in a manner I found offensive or unethical. I don't like or agree with what Photobucket did. But I understand their right to conduct business, however stupidly or callously, as they see fit. The only thing that will really get their attention is hitting them in the pocketbook. The problem isn't capitalism. The problem is stupidity. |
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Post by stvalentine on Jul 2, 2017 8:13:34 GMT -5
As sad or annoying as it might sound I am afraid Jesse is right. $400.00 is a bit steep for me for just posting pictures of my hobbies so I have to leave PB....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 8:36:43 GMT -5
That was helpful. Simple capitalism. No advance warning required, right? Nope. No advance notice required. And consumers and clients have the right to vote with their business. I've stopped being a customer a number of times when a business acted in a manner I found offensive or unethical. I don't like or agree with what Photobucket did. But I understand their right to conduct business, however stupidly or callously, as they see fit. The only thing that will really get their attention is hitting them in the pocketbook. The problem isn't capitalism. The problem is stupidity. In this particular instance, the supposed "right to conduct business" you assert does not in fact exist. Quite the contrary, it's only established by mutual consent between respective parties specifically stated in the User Agreement (which nobody reads). Extremely thin lines between capitalism, stupidity, morality and legality which are oftentimes misunderstood; otherwise, we're in total agreement the primary leverage to altering behavior within these confines is the bottom line. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 10:51:06 GMT -5
Even though I haven't the same problem you all have with Photobucket I still look at all companies in business to make money the same way. Most are underhand, moral less, greed ridden and are without integrity, this is what almost 64 years of life has taught me, that and to trust no one unless you're prepared to take the fall. I'm not the least bit surprised by Photobuckets actions or any company. I just chalk it up to how business is done these days, cut throat and soulless. I look back at how Pipes & Cigars treat me and others and how I and others complained about it, did it solve anything, HELL no! a lot of ya still do business with them. But, when the time comes they'll all be crying and pleading and none of us will have to lift a finger.  |
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Post by trailboss on Jul 2, 2017 11:29:52 GMT -5
Well said, Jesse.
I have used photobucket for years with no issues, but if I were to lose the pictures, my world wouldn't end either...I pay $5.00 a month for the service, because I am too damned lazy to change, if the rates go too high for me, or useablity suffers, i will move on.
Thanks to Ron posting about that recently, that is what I have been doing on my recent posts.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Jul 2, 2017 11:45:05 GMT -5
I just read through the user agreement. Not only does it explicitly give Photobucket all the cards, it does so in clear terms of a kind that I've struck out in a number of contracts that I've signed with studios over the years. They give themselves the right to market and profit from any material that you post to their site. Your "consent" consists of your presence on their site. While claiming respect and concern for your intellectual property rights, they help themselves to them by giving themselves explicit usage rights. Photobucket is hardly unique in this. Other sites claim the right to steal and use your work as well. I don't post my pictures online, unless it's a pipe, or something so unimportant that I wouldn't care about its being stolen.
Having studied what people most want, Photobucket is targeting that want for maximum profit by monetizing it. The question is whether their bet will pay off with people shelling out $399 a year to be able to share pictures of their kiddies on remote servers.
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Post by johnlawitzke on Jul 2, 2017 12:38:45 GMT -5
No need to use third party photo hosting for TBP. Just attach to the post.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 12:59:30 GMT -5
I just read through the user agreement. Not only does it explicitly give Photobucket all the cards, it does so in clear terms of a kind that I've struck out in a number of contracts that I've signed with studios over the years. They give themselves the right to market and profit from any material that you post to their site. Your "consent" consists of your presence on their site. While claiming respect and concern for your intellectual property rights, they help themselves to them by giving themselves explicit usage rights. Photobucket is hardly unique in this. Other sites claim the right to steal and use your work as well. I don't post my pictures online, unless it's a pipe, or something so unimportant that I wouldn't care about its being stolen. Having studied what people most want, Photobucket is targeting that want for maximum profit by monetizing it. The question is whether their bet will pay off with people shelling out $399 a year to be able to share pictures of their kiddies on remote servers. As did I. Concur with your conclusions - Buyer beware. |
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Post by simnettpratt on Jul 2, 2017 14:43:39 GMT -5
Just so you know, posting your images as an attachment uses up the Briar Patch's server space, and costs Justin and the gang money, on a site we're enjoying for free. Please use free Imgur if you can. That said, I think Jesse's right; PB was a company giving me free shite that now wants money. A lot of money, so I'm voting with my wallet and now use Imgur.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Jul 2, 2017 16:05:52 GMT -5
Just so you know, posting your images as an attachment uses up the Briar Patch's server space, and costs Justin and the gang money, on a site we're enjoying for free. Please use free Imgur if you can. That said, I think Jesse's right; PB was a company giving me free shite that now wants money. A lot of money, so I'm voting with my wallet and now use Imgur. True. Personally, I'd be willing to pay to support the site as I have with other sites, so that the site owner, in this case Justin, doesn't have to go out of pocket to provide necessary services while keeping ads off the site. If more server space is needed to cover uploaded images, that would be worth supporting. I wouldn't make it mandatory, just voluntary. At least you won't have to worry about a commercial site holding your pictures hostage. |
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Post by johnlawitzke on Jul 2, 2017 19:22:04 GMT -5
Just so you know, posting your images as an attachment uses up the Briar Patch's server space, and costs Justin and the gang money, on a site we're enjoying for free. Please use free Imgur if you can. That said, I think Jesse's right; PB was a company giving me free shite that now wants money. A lot of money, so I'm voting with my wallet and now use Imgur. True. Personally, I'd be willing to pay to support the site as I have with other sites, so that the site owner, in this case Justin, doesn't have to go out of pocket to provide necessary services while keeping ads off the site. If more server space is needed to cover uploaded images, that would be worth supporting. I wouldn't make it mandatory, just voluntary. At least you won't have to worry about a commercial site holding your pictures hostage. Ditto. It is so nice to not have to go through multiple steps to post pics here. I'd gladly contribute towards increased storage costs to continue to have the convenience. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 21:16:04 GMT -5
Today, every photo I have posted over the years is gone. Will I ever use them again? NO
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Post by bonanzadriver on Jul 6, 2017 21:20:28 GMT -5
Today, every photo I have posted over the years is gone. Will I ever use them again? NO Sorry to hear it Marty. That is exactly what I was concerned about. As I posted on another thread, I spent a few hours over the last couple of days downloading all of my photos into a file on my pc and then re-uploading em onto Imgur.com Imgur is much faster and easier to use than pb was. Still trying to figure it al out. So Marty, Can you not see your pics / albums at all when you log on? |
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Post by zeavran1 on Jul 6, 2017 21:21:11 GMT -5
I'm glad I only used PB for tobacco pics. I could live with losing them. I'm not paying for them. I'd have hated to have personal family pics. They have a right to do whatever they want but that was not a good business decision at all.
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I have a hard time with all those photo sites 
