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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 20:39:05 GMT -5
I think I've been a member of just about every forum of this subject and still am on a few. This particular one I enjoy and have found a few people here that I consider close, as close as one can get on a forum anyway. I don't see forums dying really although there have been some a while back that just went belly up. I reckon that happens when members get bored or there just ain't the right people there to keep it together, or there's one or more Troll's left to do what they wish, seen that. Then I reckon there's people like me that were very active to start but, with life change, free time and priorities changed we end up only posting occasionally.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 21:04:47 GMT -5
This article and the video is not surprising to me, as I have always been wary of her mentality. Facebook seems to have taken it to the highest extreme based on the former president. Every forum has some sort of group think, but forums as this, based on a specific like, are a lot less than described here. Facebook Zuck was going around the world saying, "wouldn't it be great if we all shared our genome, DNA, etc for the common good?" Yeah, right. For the rich to take our organs and live forever while we become their Soylent Green. If you can catch the full vid, it's astounding. FB Pres <<< link
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Post by Baboo on Nov 10, 2017 22:10:58 GMT -5
Yes, I have seen many dodos go the way of the forums, but those dodo forums I've left behind. That was the original question wasn't it?🐦🐧🐲😜🙈🙉🙊
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Post by Matthew on Nov 10, 2017 22:14:59 GMT -5
This article and the video is not surprising to me, as I have always been wary of her mentality. Facebook seems to have taken it to the highest extreme based on the former president. Every forum has some sort of group think, but forums as this, based on a specific like, are a lot less than described here. Facebook Zuck was going around the world saying, "wouldn't it be great if we all shared our genome, DNA, etc for the common good?" Yeah, right. For the rich to take our organs and live forever while we become their Soylent Green. If you can catch the full vid, it's astounding. FB Pres <<< link That's an interesting article.I admit I do check into the notifications.but in my defense it is to know if I've been quoted so I can respond if needed.I've never been "hooked" on getting likes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 22:15:46 GMT -5
I logged onto a forum I moderated and got stopped by an FBI notice. Thank goodness I didn't own the forum or get paid by it. That forum is now a dodo
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 23:28:25 GMT -5
Forum veterans get tired of the same posts repeated every couple of years by new people who never use the search function. Moderators many times determine if the forum will last. Always drama and politics.
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Post by jp on Nov 11, 2017 0:28:32 GMT -5
As a fairly new member, I enjoy this forum...I'm in Facebook groups but this is my first forum of any kind...I'm still fishing and navigating on how to post, etc....I'm 71 and not great on a computer...But I love pipe smoking (for 55 yrs)...Jim told me about this place and I'm glad he did.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 0:37:34 GMT -5
JP, I use Facebook, too. My thoughts are more about the people that created it and know the very system abuses us in ways we don't know. The previous pres said, if you're a conscious objector (not into it) we'll get you eventually. Well, I was against FB an Twitter for years. Eventually started using them to a total waste of time. I did the Pintrest thing, too. Spent all day saving images. Well, I love photos and art, so it seemed natural. I do spend time posting in this forum, but there is one difference: It's about my hobby, not my complete lifestyle. Still, one of the only ways I can keep up with a few people I met online is FB. In my mind, which is where it is at, I use FB and don't let it use me. I've got more "real" friends in less than six months of pipe smoking than 5 years of FB. Yup, real friends.
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Post by sparks on Nov 13, 2017 10:33:49 GMT -5
Great responses from everyone and I appreciate the feedback. I suspect that this form of media (Forums) will not be going anywhere anytime soon. Based on the responses and probably more importantly the "quantity" of responses, we have an engaged and active membership. There also seems to be a popular belief that the forum platform is superior than other forms of social media in use.
I think that we are also fortunate that we do not suffer a common issue of other forums. Lack of functionality and visual appeal. However mundane these may seem, ease of use and engaging are important factors in most media, especially online. A common observation at PM.com in their similar thread, was that the site is dated and lacks functionality. I'm not going to waste my time criticizing them, but suffice it to say I think we do pretty well in these areas. In my opinion, our site is visually appealing and easy to navigate. Categories are clear and easy to find and our search functionality does not require an outside source to function. I'm also rather proud of our mobile site. I think that it's easy to use and still maintains the visual appeal that the full site does.
I will say I was rather surprised by how many over at PM.com thought the basic, no frills site was superior though. Without pigeonholing people, I suppose that can be compared to the preference of some to newspapers over online news.
In comparison to other forms of social media, I think the differences are obvious. While forums may not have the mass appeal that FB does, there is more immersion. What I mean by that is a FB group about pipe smoking lacks the ability to become immersed in the topics being discussed. If it was fallen off the front page of the FB group, you are likely never to see a topic that was brought up. It's instant gratification and then instant topic change. I personally like that I can be absent from this site for a few days and come back and "catch up" on what I missed. Good luck doing that with a FB group. To me there is a better sense of community here.
I believe a forum is only as good as the people managing it and the people participating. If you are missing either, you might as well shut the doors. I like to think we have a good balance of both here and as long as there are people out there that want to participate, I'll be here to keep the lights on.
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Post by crapgame on Nov 13, 2017 11:19:18 GMT -5
I am glad to be part of this forum..the place I call my pipe smoking home!
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Post by trailboss on Nov 13, 2017 12:12:32 GMT -5
Facebook pipe smoking groups are allright for a picture and a sound bite comment, not much more than that. If you construct a well thought out post that you think may benefit others, you might as well tie a cinder block to it as you click “post”. And the girls that are trolling for compliments sometimes gets tiresome. Not to take anything away from Justin using good sense and a well thought out website, but I think that it is safe to say that some of the other forums we were both on did a pretty good job of informing him of what not to do. Selecting people with the right temperament to be moderators is crucial, picking the wrong individual can have some pretty catastrophic results. Since Justin has a busy day job, having mature people of character to keep an eye on things is beneficial to put it mildly. I had a business agent that is the nicest guy you could ever meet, a great guy to smoke a cigar and have a drink with, but he really sucked as a business agent. Some of us possess gifts and talents, some of us don’t. I love to talk politics, and I think that for the most part, while I have strong opinions, I never get personal about it... everyone has a right to their own opinion on such matters, but once they are allowed, things generally end up in a five alarm fire. Matters of politics and religion are so intertwined in a belief system/ ideology/ and laws that govern society, that dipping the toe into either, one finds there whole body soon immersed. Some of the contributors here that I have the utmost respect for on the subject that the forum exists for, I have a much different worldview on other matters, and the limitations of this medium are such that would not exist if I had a beer or coffe with the same individual on them subjects. To be fair though, even in the context of being part of a pipe club that meets monthly discussing politics and religion can really be problematic in a group....these matters are best left as one on one discussions away from the group. Sorry for the ramblings, but this forum has the best guidelines, moderation and application of discipline when warranted of any forum that I have ever been on, which have been many on a whole host of subjects. I would like to see the range of emoticons expanded slightly, that I think during a post are really helpful in expressing in a positive way what the author intends to convey with a simple click of the mouse. For instance....when I am not getting it... When commenting from a crusty perspective.... When speaking about wives that dont understand our mickey mouse ways....to quote Waylon... others that probably need no explanation..
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Post by sparks on Nov 13, 2017 13:47:17 GMT -5
I would like to see the range of emoticons expanded slightly, that I think during a post are really helpful in expressing in a positive way what the author intends to convey with a simple click of the mouse. trailboss , your wish is my command. You should now find all of these emoticons available. P.S. - I found a pack of animated emoji's online and will be uploading a few more as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 14:39:44 GMT -5
This forum is not subject to the needs of the masses. Best forum I have been on in decades and that is above the ones I owned or ran.
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Post by Darin on Nov 13, 2017 14:40:07 GMT -5
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Post by peteguy on Nov 13, 2017 15:05:08 GMT -5
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Is this one for "I'm going bat shite crazy"?
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Post by sparks on Nov 13, 2017 15:07:22 GMT -5
Is this one for "I'm going bat shite crazy"? If that was the case, that would be the majority of the forums default Avatar.
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Post by peteguy on Nov 13, 2017 15:08:59 GMT -5
Is this one for "I'm going bat shite crazy"? If that was the case, that would be the majority of the forums default Avatar. HAHA so true!
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Post by trailboss on Nov 13, 2017 15:35:10 GMT -5
I would like to see the range of emoticons expanded slightly, that I think during a post are really helpful in expressing in a positive way what the author intends to convey with a simple click of the mouse. trailboss , your wish is my command. You should now find all of these emoticons available. P.S. - I found a pack of animated emoji's online and will be uploading a few more as well. I am content with seeing what transpires, anything related to website building is out of my area of expertise....I asked a buddy that has a ton of great emoticons and he responded: His is a phbb forum....it is a closed forum or I would just send a link to see what he has.I can continue to carjack my buddy's hosted emoticons on an as needed basis..I am starting to enter my work week, so I will be busier than a one armed pipe maker..I will see if I can find some to recommend come next weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 16:47:38 GMT -5
I can second the appearance of the mobile site. It looks and functions in a notch above the ordinary manner and is appreciated.
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Post by Lady Margaret on Nov 13, 2017 18:44:39 GMT -5
Is this one for "I'm going bat shite crazy"?
lol! i really like that one.
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Post by simnettpratt on Nov 13, 2017 23:52:02 GMT -5
I don't think forums in general are dying, or will ever die. This one is moderated and managed really well, and I think is why it is thriving. No politics or religion was a hugely good idea.
It's a much more welcoming place than the other two I haunted before this one.
Not least, we have good members that are generally more experienced than some other forums, so we don't see the same interminable rookie questions (if you have one though, ask away, someone will be glad to answer).
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Post by Zach on Nov 14, 2017 18:54:10 GMT -5
I believe it's just FUD, and I've been on forums for a couple decades. Sure, more people are using social media, that's a fact. I believe social media itself is actually a type of fad and I don't use any social media sites whatsoever and I'm against them. It's going to continually shift as each service and provider tries to vie for your attention. We're in a huge grey area wild west still to this day with technology merging into our lives, and how the internet impacts democracy, anonymity,legalities, freedom of speech, and human interaction. Forums will remain a used form of specialized internet communications, I believe, just as news alt groups are still very active today over 20 years later. Are they fluctuating in userbase? Possibly, but that depends on what you're comparing to niche-wise. We are a tiny niche. There are more people into other odd hobbies in general then there are into pipe smoking in 2017 and so you're never going to have thousands of members on a pipe forum where there are estimated to be only a few thousand pipe smokers today. With resurgence? More users. It's always going to fluctuate. I have forums I've been privy to since say 2002 that are still more active then we are here. Thousands are gone.
Good theory and discussion all around. It's based in speculation and fear, though.
I'm so against Facebook for political and privacy reasons I won't even follow a link to something on facebook.com even without an account.
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Post by slowroll on Nov 14, 2017 19:04:34 GMT -5
As a new member, but old pipe smoker,I do really like this forum for all the above mentioned reasons. I'd like to point out an approach to getting and keeping more members. While I admit that the experienced folk may find it redundant and annoying to see repetitive newbie questions, we oughta remember that forums are for asking questions. Probably nothing makes a new guy feel more comfortable than a cheerful answer to a question, even if it has been asked many times before. Conversely, nothing will turn a Newbie off quicker than an incessant admonition to "use the search function". We have to admit, search functions can be perverse if one isn't sure of exactly what is the key phrase to look for. I humbly recommend a policy of never telling a new guy to "use the search function", unless he is a troll just trying to clog things up. Just my input FWIW.
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Post by That Falls Guy on Nov 14, 2017 19:14:51 GMT -5
Well, here's my take on the Forum Question. If you join a Forum based upon your interests, and those of others, if it's a good forum, the forum should take off and be most viable. But when you join a forum based upon a clique of the members, and whether they like you or not, that forum should not be long lived. I give you a good example, although I don't know if it's appropriate to post here, but here goes...I was a member of PSF for a long time. It's a very good forum, and to be honest, I miss it to some degree. There are some very knowledgeable members there. But at one time, I posted something upon which the infamous Moderator, by the name of Woody, informed me that my post had been moved to another place. I simply replied to him that I had no problem with his moving the post, but that he could have indicated to where it was moved. His response to me was that 'I should have known better'. When I tried to respond to his comment, before I finished my message, I was booted for "Arguing with the Staff! Keep in mind that I had not even finished my message when he responded, so obviously he was monitoring my message, and not giving me the opportunity to respond. Here's my point on this....... Forums like this are not likely to succeed with such animosity toward its members. On the other hand, let's look at the Briar Patch, and how Sparks would have handled this, at least in my opinion....... ' I moved your post to ? ( the being the name of the post to where it was removed). Plain and simple, no argument, no animosity. Just a courteous response This, I believe is why I believe that the Briar Patch Forum will continue to thrive. No magic, no bells and whistles, just some overall courtesy and common sense toward its members.
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Post by Lady Margaret on Nov 14, 2017 19:20:10 GMT -5
As a new member, but old pipe smoker,I do really like this forum for all the above mentioned reasons. I'd like to point out an approach to getting and keeping more members. While I admit that the experienced folk may find it redundant and annoying to see repetitive newbie questions, we oughta remember that forums are for asking questions. Probably nothing makes a new guy feel more comfortable than a cheerful answer to a question, even if it has been asked many times before. Conversely, nothing will turn a Newbie off quicker than an incessant admonition to "use the search function". We have to admit, search functions can be perverse if one isn't sure of exactly what is the key phrase to look for. I humbly recommend a policy of never telling a new guy to "use the search function", unless he is a troll just trying to clog things up. Just my input FWIW.
I wholeheartedly agree! Just a little over a year ago I was a newbie pipe smoker and I joined a forum because I was looking for seasoned vets to mentor me -- there were none local that I knew of. I did do a lot of research online, but you have to be careful where you get your answers from, so it's easier and safer (and more welcoming and encouraging) to be able to come to a group and ask your questions and know you will get solid answers. I don't mind answering the same questions over and over again each time a newbie asks. The annoying thing would be if the same person is asking the same questions over and over, that's when you point them to FAQ. To me, that's part of the enjoyment of the hobby, helping others along in personal interaction. For those who find that annoying, just keep scrolling. That's the great thing about the forum, you can interact if you wish or just ignore the post if you wish.
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Post by antb on Nov 15, 2017 2:21:02 GMT -5
Most of the regular forums are dominated by USA brothers and sisters. As a newbie from the Dark Continent it was difficult for me to establish a connection with any one when I started on the forums about a decade ago. On some forums I was just flatly ignored, no matter what I posted. The few forums that I'm still active on share one common distinction: Personal interaction with fellow smokers. Thanks to the guys here
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 7:19:21 GMT -5
Darn fine group of posters here not much drama and when there is, it more like rib poking. This forum seems to be stocked with the very best of the pipe smoking community full of knowledge and wisdom without being pretentious.
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Post by crapgame on Nov 15, 2017 13:05:25 GMT -5
As a new member, but old pipe smoker,I do really like this forum for all the above mentioned reasons. I'd like to point out an approach to getting and keeping more members. While I admit that the experienced folk may find it redundant and annoying to see repetitive newbie questions, we oughta remember that forums are for asking questions. Probably nothing makes a new guy feel more comfortable than a cheerful answer to a question, even if it has been asked many times before. Conversely, nothing will turn a Newbie off quicker than an incessant admonition to "use the search function". We have to admit, search functions can be perverse if one isn't sure of exactly what is the key phrase to look for. I humbly recommend a policy of never telling a new guy to "use the search function", unless he is a troll just trying to clog things up. Just my input FWIW. I love your avatar! Do you fly? did you you ever meet and fly with clarence speal?
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Post by slowroll on Nov 15, 2017 13:23:25 GMT -5
As a new member, but old pipe smoker,I do really like this forum for all the above mentioned reasons. I'd like to point out an approach to getting and keeping more members. While I admit that the experienced folk may find it redundant and annoying to see repetitive newbie questions, we oughta remember that forums are for asking questions. Probably nothing makes a new guy feel more comfortable than a cheerful answer to a question, even if it has been asked many times before. Conversely, nothing will turn a Newbie off quicker than an incessant admonition to "use the search function". We have to admit, search functions can be perverse if one isn't sure of exactly what is the key phrase to look for. I humbly recommend a policy of never telling a new guy to "use the search function", unless he is a troll just trying to clog things up. Just my input FWIW. I love your avatar! Do you fly? did you you ever meet and fly with clarence speal? Yup. PM sent.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 15, 2017 16:31:14 GMT -5
Most of the regular forums are dominated by USA brothers and sisters. As a newbie from the Dark Continent it was difficult for me to establish a connection with any one when I started on the forums about a decade ago. On some forums I was just flatly ignored, no matter what I posted. The few forums that I'm still active on share one common distinction: Personal interaction with fellow smokers. Thanks to the guys here Get him!I agree..simply looking up an archived thread, linking it and asking if it suffices really helps as Margaret said. This coming from a guy that posted a thread "What is your desert island blend?" I figured that no one else had ever broached the subject.
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