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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 16:48:51 GMT -5
I find the Patch to be more (small d) democratic than the barracuda tank that I exited from.
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Post by Matthew on Nov 15, 2017 16:48:53 GMT -5
A few years back,I was a member on Puff.Y'All remember them,they're still there. Anywho,when they went offline for over two months I went looking for another group. I first went to PSF simply because I had already been a member on that site.A few of the guys from Puff started a forum in order to finish some trades and box passes that were in progress when puff went off.The piping community on that board is definately the minority and at times quite stagnant.I will always have a fondness for them and that forum for reasons of community generousity.At a time of extreme depression,they bomb the k-doodles out of me.I can Honestly say that Pipe and Cigar Smokers are the most generous souls on this planet.On PSF I had asked the Admin about a contest or recognition for a member espousing the quailities of a member who had recently passed away.I was told "That would invite the wrong crowd".Now,the member I was referring to was Mr Moo. REALLY,,,someone as generous with his time and knowledge,as expierienced as Mr Moo.That is the "Wrong Crowd"?Anywho,I got banned for telling the whole forum that they were spoiling my smoke.One thread,no questions,they didn't care. They just banned me and deleted the thread.Kewl,I've been kicked out of worse places. (For better reasons ) I had stated in another thread here about questions.I agree with slowroll and @lady Maragret on this issue.Answer the question and then point out other threads that may offer differing opinions.But post a link to the threads for them.We tell newbs to "Keep It Simple",then we complicate the learning curve with the ever present obnoxous search box.Rather than being offended that a question is repeated,use each occurance as an opportunity to start a conversation and mentor a new Friend. Here,this forum,I've found that the Admin and Mods are engaged, and participants of the conversations.Whether in jest or in fun,they take the time to read and reply.The rules are simple,and the infractions are met with courtisy (I'm a redneck,we don't spell good)and respect.they are not allowed to become blown out flame wars.I applaud them in their skill and diligence.
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Post by That Falls Guy on Nov 15, 2017 17:55:25 GMT -5
Matthew, I don't know if you saw my post regarding PSF, but I definitely know what you are talking about. How they keep members with their moderator is beyond me. Mr Moo was a terrific guy, and deserved more respect than what was shown. That was done to a few other persons as well, including one in particular who made some great contributions to their site. I would love to hear from other victims of PSF just to show what difference there can be from one Forum to another. It sort of bugs me that the Patch shows the link to their Forum under the Community Feed, while they would probably boot any of their members who even mentioned the Patch on their Forum. However, I'm not here to attack them, as they are what they are, and to each his own. I would simply reinforce what you, as well as I, have said.....The Admin and the Mods here on the Patch are definitely engaged, and know how to handle their members without booting them, insulting them, or otherwise allowing blown out 'flame wars' as you have described it. I too applaud them in their skill and diligence. This Forum has definitely become a true Community among its members, and I would not see this Forum going the way of the Dodo!
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Post by slowroll on Nov 15, 2017 19:15:33 GMT -5
With what I've seen of the members here, it certainly shouldn't go the way of the dodo. Unless of course the Internet collapses.
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Post by daveinlax on Nov 15, 2017 19:52:50 GMT -5
Having been here from Day 1 and every day thereafter I can say that The Briar Patch is the most friendly place I've been. I've been on pipe boards a chat rooms since before the internet as we know it. I would have my wife get me on the boards at her work as I found out about them in the Ephemeris. I can't say we all got along but it was a lot of good reading by long time members of the hobby and not just a revolving door new guys.
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Post by daveinlax on Nov 15, 2017 19:53:57 GMT -5
I would love to hear from other victims of PSF just to show what difference there can be from one Forum to another. It sort of bugs me that the Patch shows the link to their Forum under the Community Feed, while they would probably boot any of their members who even mentioned the Patch on their Forum. However, I'm not here to attack them, as they are what they are, and to each his own. LoL! You could have fooled me! I've never had any issues with PSF and IMO they are the hot board and my first and last read of the day. I really like we have a thread for Castello guys to geek out without annoying the general crowd. Woody was a little uptight early on but he has relaxed and he's paying the bills. Mr Moo's thread went on for pages so I don't know what the issue is? I've lost four friends from the real world hobby in the last two years. Guys I've spent countless nights in smoked filled hotel room across the country not some guy on a page I've never met. Life goes on and again IMO Moo got his due on PSF.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 23:10:56 GMT -5
I would love to hear from other victims of PSF just to show what difference there can be from one Forum to another. It sort of bugs me that the Patch shows the link to their Forum under the Community Feed, while they would probably boot any of their members who even mentioned the Patch on their Forum. However, I'm not here to attack them, as they are what they are, and to each his own. LoL! You could have fooled me! I've never had any issues with PSF and IMO they are the hot board and my first and last read of the day. I really like we have a thread for Castello guys to geek out without annoying the general crowd. Woody was a little uptight early on but he has relaxed and he's paying the bills. Mr Moo's thread went on for pages so I don't know what the issue is? I've lost four friends from the real world hobby in the last two years. Guys I've spent countless nights in smoked filled hotel room across the country not some guy on a page I've never met. Life goes on and again IMO Moo got his due on PSF. Well, to the best of my knowledge I was never kicked off of PSF but maybe I am snake bit now? I was an active member there for a couple years. My feeling was it was over-moderated. I'd given up on forums until I found this place. I've been here since there were six of us talking and butting heads. It's homey, has a good feeling and first class people who really know what they're talking about. You can find out anything you want to know here and nobody is a smart arse about it. I hope this is never the hot board, especially for over-priced Castello guys.
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Post by antb on Nov 16, 2017 1:36:23 GMT -5
I'm still here, Charlie
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Post by Matthew on Nov 16, 2017 9:44:47 GMT -5
The point I seemed to have lost in my ramblings was that a forum can be over or under moderated.Justin and crew have found a happy medium here.With a forum it's possable to have a linear conversation over a course of days or even weeks.With FB it can be a challenge to just keep up with daily posts. I remember the old Bullitine Boards,local numbers to post and share with friends and strangers.The original computer forums.With the internet and FB we have a media to post random articles for our "Friends" to share and comment on.But conversation is limited to either using the chat/messenger or hunting thru several other posts to find our place.I think the real Question I believe is " Is The Art Of Conversation Going The Way Of The Dodo?"
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Post by Lady Margaret on Nov 16, 2017 10:13:52 GMT -5
The point I seemed to have lost in my ramblings was that a forum can be over or under moderated.Justin and crew have found a happy medium here.With a forum it's possable to have a linear conversation over a course of days or even weeks.With FB it can be a challenge to just keep up with daily posts. I remember the old Bullitine Boards,local numbers to post and share with friends and strangers.The original computer forums.With the internet and FB we have a media to post random articles for our "Friends" to share and comment on.But conversation is limited to either using the chat/messenger or hunting thru several other posts to find our place.I think the real Question I believe is " Is The Art Of Conversation Going The Way Of The Dodo?"
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Post by sparks on Nov 16, 2017 10:40:00 GMT -5
It sort of bugs me that the Patch shows the link to their Forum under the Community Feed, while they would probably boot any of their members who even mentioned the Patch on their Forum. However, I'm not here to attack them, as they are what they are, and to each his own. I can appreciate that, however it has been my goal from day one to make this the go to place for information, even if it's about another forum. It is why I regularly link back to posts on other sites such as PM.com. They may not return the favor, but I can sleep at night knowing I'm making an effort to support the community as a whole, not just my little fiefdom.
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Post by That Falls Guy on Nov 16, 2017 11:15:29 GMT -5
Can't argue with that logic That's why we like it here
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 14:23:20 GMT -5
I think PSF is a great forum with a lot of cool, smart, knowledgeable people. Unfortunately, the owner is not one of them. I was banned for sending PMs to a couple of people to tell them where to find JimInks when he left. Actually, not even that: I sent PMs asking them to email me, so I could tell off the forum. I was never told I was being banned, nothing was explained, and my attempts to contact admin and defend myself were completely ignored. I was a pretty regular contributor for 2 years, and had a good rapport with quite a few members. I actually don't think it's over-moderated for the most part, I just think Woody is weirdly ban-happy and must enjoy wielding the little bit of power he has in the world. In fact, I was almost banned my first week there, for sharing a link to a cigar contest - something members would appreciate on other forums. Woody would not explain why it was wrong, or what rule it broke - he just said "Well I know! And it better not happen again!" In retrospect, just being put on probation for a couple of weeks was pretty generous for him!
The question that is worth is asking is, despite his horrible reputation, why does PSF still seem to thrive? There are PSF ban stories on every pipe forum. I'm sure part of it is simply that they come up near the top when people google for pipe forums. But I also think it's their attractive, easy-to-use website design and interface. The colors, font, font size, etc. all seem to work really well and make for a good browsing experience. And I think the quick, hard-arse enforcement about the no politics rule helps.
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Post by That Falls Guy on Nov 16, 2017 15:34:38 GMT -5
Agree with you on most all of your points, except for one, and that is that it is not over-moderated. It is a good forum, with a lot of cool, smart, and knowledgeable people. I was a member for about 5 years. I was banned simply because the ban happy Moderator to whom you refer advised me that my post had been moved to another location. Who cares that it was moved! I simply requested that he tell me to what post it had been moved. Here is the response that I received from the sob, and I quote!......... "If you would have posted it in the right place I wouldn't have to clean up after you. Like I don't have enough things to do."
Apparently he had just sent me this message while he was still online, and as I was in the course of writing a message back, I was banned for 'Arguing with Staff'. I had not even completed writing (or sending) my response, which indicates that he was monitoring my activity, much as others have said that he does. Not quite fitting for a good moderator.
So, yes, other than its Administrator, it is a good forum,, with a wealth of knowledge and information.
Sparks, on the other hand, handles things here on a much more rational, intelligent level. He will let you know if you're out of line, and deal with it accordingly. In fact, if you read his last post in response to why the Patch shows PSF in their Community Feed, he responded "it has been my goal from day one to make this the go to place for information, even if it's about another forum. It is why I regularly link back to posts on other sites such as PM.com. They may not return the favor, but I can sleep at night knowing I'm making an effort to support the community as a whole, not just my little fiefdom." There is a real man, and a great Moderator (along with his fellow moderators PAPIPEGUY and CRAPGAME), who make the BRIARPATCH a great place to park your pipe(s).
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Post by sparks on Nov 16, 2017 15:53:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the additional feedback, guys. That Falls Guy , Thank You for the compliments. That being said, It is obvious that there are some hard feelings about PSF for several folks. They may be justified, they may not be, it's certainly not my place to make that decision. I would ask that we avoid going down the road of turning this thread into a "bash-fest" though. We don't want to be known as the place that "shits" on others. It goes against the very fabric of this site's being.
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Post by kraken on Nov 16, 2017 15:56:12 GMT -5
I'm still a member at PSF and I was active there for a year. It was the second pipe forum that came up from a Google search with the first being PM.
I didn't join PM because of the Pipe Babes section. I'm not against men looking at pics of women, but as a woman it felt weird to be a member of a forum that has that section.
I liked PSF, like @chico said, there are some really great people there. There was one person I didn't really appreciate but I figured it's bound to happen in a large group of people, no big deal. I even attempted to get past my own feelings and interact with said person. And then that one person drove half of the members I liked away, so here I am at this forum instead thinking I should have trusted my initial instinct. I think my biggest hurdle here has been putting time in to get to know everyone. I put in a year's worth over at PSF and now it feels exhausting to start over.
I like the FB groups. At first they bugged me but I've been getting to know them better and even found a smaller group with some really good people. I don't find the women's posts on FB to be fishing for compliments any more than the men's posts. But I do agree that the forum platform is easier for conversations and better organized than the FB groups.
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Post by kraken on Nov 16, 2017 15:58:18 GMT -5
Thanks for the additional feedback, guys. That Falls Guy , Thank You for the compliments. That being said, It is obvious that there are some hard feelings about PSF for several folks. They may be justified, they may not be, it's certainly not my place to make that decision. I would ask that we avoid going down the road of turning this thread into a "bash-fest" though. We don't want to be known as the place that "shits" on others. It goes against the very fabric of this site's being. Sorry, we cross posted. I hope my post doesn't come across as too harsh. I was just stating what happened.
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Post by Matthew on Nov 16, 2017 16:07:04 GMT -5
I will apologize to the group as a whole for my part in what seems to be a bashing contest.I like Justin's attitude that the information is more important than the source.Linking to other sites to further our hobby is of great benevolence.It helps me to find other answers to questions that I haven't thought of yet.His style is commendable,and I Thank him and his Mods for their efforts.
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Post by That Falls Guy on Nov 16, 2017 16:13:27 GMT -5
Thanks for the additional feedback, guys. That Falls Guy , Thank You for the compliments. That being said, It is obvious that there are some hard feelings about PSF for several folks. They may be justified, they may not be, it's certainly not my place to make that decision. I would ask that we avoid going down the road of turning this thread into a "bash-fest" though. We don't want to be known as the place that "shits" on others. It goes against the very fabric of this site's being. Not 'compliments' per se, just fact. You run a first class forum. As far as the "bash-fest", point well taken. Won't be hearing from me again on this subject.
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Post by simnettpratt on Nov 16, 2017 19:01:40 GMT -5
Hey, never clicked on Community Feed before, look at that! Links to other forums!
That's one reason this place is good (wanted to put better, but changed it). The genesis of this place came from some members on another forum being summarily banned by posting links (or even PMs?) to another forum. Then, one member left and started his own forum called The Political Pipe, so you knew that one was doomed Out of that, Justin made this.
There's a difference between for-profit forums and this one. Pretty sure this ain't makin' sparkers rich
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Post by Baboo on Nov 16, 2017 19:27:17 GMT -5
Been in and out of all sorts of forums for a lot of years, and so far this one trumps, no political pun intended. With fingers crossed, may THEBRIARPATCHFORUM.COM live long and prosper!
Edited & Fixed - Sparks
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 21:36:27 GMT -5
May thebriarpatchforum.com flourish and prosper. . . . . thebriarpatch.com is another entity.
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Post by Baboo on Nov 16, 2017 21:53:46 GMT -5
I stand (stumble) corrected...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 15:22:29 GMT -5
I know I love hearing from the international members here. Every morning Sid and antb post their morning smokes. Sometimes, if I am up late, I catch their mornings before I go to sleep.
That this club lists more smokes than other forums speaks well of this club. Not ill of other forums, but just great here. This gives me/us many ideas on pipes and tobaccos to discuss and hunt for. This topic alone is very engaging and with fried eggs... very fun
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 11:51:16 GMT -5
Not going to mention names or sites, but I will mention I just got banned from another forum. I was asking for it after a day of exasperation, but here's what happened:
I put in a post in a P*C thread, not wanting to start a new one. It may have been a side issue, but that stuff happens here all the time. I explained it and re-explained it was not a gripe, just an FYI. I got comments to the effect of how lucky I am that so and so and so and so and so and so didn't jump all over me. So, I compared the threat to calling out the Magnificent Seven to come out and correct my spelling and remind me of Sacred Rule 9.
Again, I am not complaining about the ban. Part of it is stupid, though, as my IP can't even access the public part of the place, not having anything to do with the forum, like the radio show. Idiots have never heard of Tor Browser, though I don't care enough to go back anymore.
Now, my crime. I always post about where you can buy something cheaper here or what issues I have with so and so seller. We post this stuff all the time here. Over at Saint Elsewhere forum every recent post I have made comes up with a "you did this wrong" response. That is the reason I asked to be deactivated there, as I couldn't do it myself.
On a side note, criticisms of people asking a question and getting a "do a search" response is usually not right, IMHO. Searching a forum about jarring tobacco you get so much stuff that may or may not apply that you get more confused.
This club seems great for just asking questions without worry.
Added PS - I think the reason for my friction in this specific incident was saying something 4 Noggins did better than P&C. Saying something nice about 4 Noggins is as verboten as breaking Sacred Rule 9
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Post by crapgame on Nov 19, 2017 12:49:05 GMT -5
Not sure how this has turned into a bash fest and how that then turned into a lot of " Oh Yeah! What about(fill in the blank)!" With finger pointing and smug faces with crossed arms. Let's get back to pipe smoking and enjoy the fellowship of this great forum that many members call home.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Nov 19, 2017 12:57:39 GMT -5
Not going to mention names or sites, but I will mention I just got banned from another forum. I was asking for it after a day of exasperation, but here's what happened: I put in a post in a P*C thread, not wanting to start a new one. It may have been a side issue, but that stuff happens here all the time. I explained it and re-explained it was not a gripe, just an FYI. I got comments to the effect of how lucky I am that so and so and so and so and so and so didn't jump all over me. So, I compared the threat to calling out the Magnificent Seven to come out and correct my spelling and remind me of Sacred Rule 9. Again, I am not complaining about the ban. Part of it is stupid, though, as my IP can't even access the public part of the place, not having anything to do with the forum, like the radio show. Idiots have never heard of Tor Browser, though I don't care enough to go back anymore. Now, my crime. I always post about where you can buy something cheaper here or what issues I have with so and so seller. We post this stuff all the time here. Over at Saint Elsewhere forum every recent post I have made comes up with a "you did this wrong" response. That is the reason I asked to be deactivated there, as I couldn't do it myself. On a side note, criticisms of people asking a question and getting a "do a search" response is usually not right, IMHO. Searching a forum about jarring tobacco you get so much stuff that may or may not apply that you get more confused. This club seems great for just asking questions without worry. Added PS - I think the reason for my friction in this specific incident was saying something 4 Noggins did better than P&C. Saying something nice about 4 Noggins is as verboten as breaking Sacred Rule 9 You got banned for that?? They are circling the wagons. Used to be they would ignore it. Doubt it had anything to do with 4noggins VS P&C. They're both advertisers at the "mystery" site.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 13:09:06 GMT -5
4 Noggins has haters all over. That's why I stuck it in the middle of the thread
Crapgame, I don't feel comparing one forum to another is necessarily bad. I know we don't discuss politics here, but I feel many of us bit our tongues, wanting to post sympathy for the mass shootings and other recent disasters, yet no one did. Many of us, especially older and infirm, use these forums for news and life.
When someone mentions a president, senator, pastor, or teacher, someone always compares to someone else. Often you get, "don't compare that." To me, all of life has comparisons built in. That said, the other forum will be brought up no more.
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Post by Baboo on Nov 19, 2017 13:43:58 GMT -5
I'd prefer that a forum I devote my membership to not delve into operatic soap of any kind, but that's just me - not my thing any more and couldn't care less. Smells up the place, IMO. Too many years in too many forums ...I Just want peace.
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Post by daveinlax on Nov 19, 2017 14:38:42 GMT -5
Not going to mention names or sites, but I will mention I just got banned from another forum. I was asking for it after a day of exasperation, but here's what happened: I put in a post in a P*C thread, not wanting to start a new one. It may have been a side issue, but that stuff happens here all the time. I explained it and re-explained it was not a gripe, just an FYI. I got comments to the effect of how lucky I am that so and so and so and so and so and so didn't jump all over me. So, I compared the threat to calling out the Magnificent Seven to come out and correct my spelling and remind me of Sacred Rule 9. Again, I am not complaining about the ban. Part of it is stupid, though, as my IP can't even access the public part of the place, not having anything to do with the forum, like the radio show. Idiots have never heard of Tor Browser, though I don't care enough to go back anymore. Now, my crime. I always post about where you can buy something cheaper here or what issues I have with so and so seller. We post this stuff all the time here. Over at Saint Elsewhere forum every recent post I have made comes up with a "you did this wrong" response. That is the reason I asked to be deactivated there, as I couldn't do it myself. On a side note, criticisms of people asking a question and getting a "do a search" response is usually not right, IMHO. Searching a forum about jarring tobacco you get so much stuff that may or may not apply that you get more confused. This club seems great for just asking questions without worry. Added PS - I think the reason for my friction in this specific incident was saying something 4 Noggins did better than P&C. Saying something nice about 4 Noggins is as verboten as breaking Sacred Rule 9 You got banned for that?? They are circling the wagons. Used to be they would ignore it. Doubt it had anything to do with 4noggins VS P&C. They're both advertisers at the "mystery" site. No, he asked for it. As I kept up with the tread he is just another noob who thought a high post count means some status other than lots of time on their hands. He shite in the nest and flamed out. I could see it coming he was on my short timer list from the day he signed up.
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