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Post by sparks on Nov 8, 2017 7:17:39 GMT -5
I read a very interesting thread over at PM.com about this topic: Are Forums Dying, and Why? I encourage everyone to take a peek as there are some interesting discussions being had. It got me to thinking about some of the opinions and positions though. Are forums really dying?
Take The Patch for example. We are almost 2 years old. Obviously we don't have the site traffic of PM.com or PSF. They have time on their side, both being significantly older than us. While we don't have quite their activity, we have a steadily increasing membership roll, and our site traffic is pretty impressive for such a new community. I also think we are pretty fair and balanced here. Though, I once had a member tell me that my scolding them about a comment they made toward another was inappropriate and I was being partial in my defense of that other member. The specifics are not important, but the general idea as I interpreted it was that I was interfering with some sort of "natural selection" and not letting the weak be eaten by the strong. So, without imparting much of my opinion at this point, I'm curious what our membership has to say. What do you think the longevity of a place like The Patch? Do you find our site management and moderation fair and impartial? What can we do to improve it if not?
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Post by scrooge on Nov 8, 2017 9:41:51 GMT -5
Granted I haven't been here very long. An I am a member of the above mentioned forum an a few others. But I do have to say that the BriarPatch is so much more laided back an comfortable. I had a few bumps in the road here with another member but your Mods were on it very quickly.
I believe you have a good thing here an hope it continues. This thread here shows that it should an will survive. Your caring an the politeness an the members too. My $.02 worth. Keep up the good work!!
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Post by antb on Nov 8, 2017 9:45:25 GMT -5
Now that's a BIG serious question, Justin. You and I share a history on some forums and have seen them come and go, change for better and change for worse. For a simple minded chap like me I'll have to go home, think about it, make some long hand notes and then post my comments here Scribes like Pappyjoe and others could reply quicker Interesting topic to think about, though.
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Post by Darin on Nov 8, 2017 9:51:08 GMT -5
Having also done the journey through other forums (and being one of the original members here) I'd say there is no comparison. The atmosphere is inviting, yet controlled without feeling constrained. Also, although we have some newer members, this seems to be a mostly well-seasoned crowd. Thanks again to Justin for providing the space and time to commune together in Peace!
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Post by papipeguy on Nov 8, 2017 10:39:02 GMT -5
Having been here from Day 1 and every day thereafter I can say that The Briar Patch is the most friendly place I've been. I have also been pa PM since 2010 so I've witnessed quite a bit there as well. Most, if not all, forums have an ebb and flow of new and old members passing through, staying and, sometimes, just vanishing. Forums also trend toward forming cliques among active posters that can dominate the discussions. I remember the Sinister Six at PM who many considered the "cool guys" with their inside jokes and good natured ribbing of one another. They were at it for a couple of years and dominated many of the conversation. Now, not one of them is active there. I have not seen that here and the comportment of our members is sterling. Because ours is a type and read platform I can see when someone may take a comment as untoward or offensive. If we were face-to-face with the other person there probably wouldn't be a problem. So, the lesson here is to think before typing. To address the original question about forums dying I'd say "No". Do they change over time? Absolutely. I believe that most people join a forum looking for kindred spirits who want to share experiences and learn new things. Personally, I have made new friends because of forums who I never would have met otherwise and for that I am grateful. With engaged management from the top person and moderators a forum will remain healthy, friendly and welcoming. The simple act of asking members what they think and acting on the good ideas that they present shows the care for our community.
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Post by Nevadablue on Nov 8, 2017 12:08:41 GMT -5
I had a problem early on (with my old ID) and cancelled my membership. It was my fault for sticking my nose into an off topic thread and then saying things that didn't need to be said. Otherwise, No problems here. Friendly place, enjoyable.
I would ask one thing though.
Would it be possible ot extend the post edit time just a bit?
I often post, read it, and correct it or add to it. I have had several posts time out while trying to do that. Adding pictures from my Flickr account is a problem for me sometimes, due to my iPad/browser reloading the page while editing. So, I often add a post, then edit to put in a pic, save and repeat.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 12:17:11 GMT -5
The moderation here is very fair and seldom used. The forum grows due to relaxed attitude and having fun. I am a member of two forums and have to force myself to post in the other. I'm very grateful that this club is here and is not only an alternative, but a preferred one.
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Post by sparks on Nov 8, 2017 12:27:43 GMT -5
I would ask one thing though. Would it be possible to extend the post edit time just a bit? This is currently set to 15 minutes, which is about 2/3 longer than most sites allow. My hesitation with changing it is, if we do have some "bad situation" I don't want people having the opportunity to go back and delete evidence. I know that sounds crappy, but I have seen it happen before. By the time someone reports a post or one of the mods see it, the user edited or all together deleted it.
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Post by craigmillar on Nov 8, 2017 12:29:22 GMT -5
I am a new member am also a member of two other forums.I believe you have to be able to give and take as long as you are not being offensive I like this crowd and really havn't seen too much to get annoyed at. I think the moderators do a great job often unthanked. Hope this blog keeps getting stronger and stronger.
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Post by puffy on Nov 8, 2017 12:46:24 GMT -5
The conversation here is comfortable.Every now and then when I think I could add something worth reading me and my old buddy spell check jump in and do so Every one here is made to feel welcome.I like that..As far as conversations on forums some the past in an effort to maintain harmony have pretty much restricted it to pipes and tobacco.One even read your post before it was posted on the site.I soon became bored with them.I have met several hundred pipe smokers over the years I have yet to meet one who only talked about pipes and tobacco.Several forums these days who list many more members than this one have almost no activity.I don't know why that is.I guess I just like the way this one is run and the way folks who post here keep it interesting.I hope it hangs around for years to come.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 14:05:33 GMT -5
As someone who had his wrist slapped, I think the moderation is definitely fair and balanced. One of the main problems with forums is politics, and I admit to having an itchy trigger-finger when somebody says something that I feel is unjust, racist, or just factually wrong. I also know that my response will likely just exacerbate the situation, leading to a pointless back-and-forth, name-calling etc. So I think some strictness in moderation of controversial off-topic subjects is the right way to go - and a total ban on politics.
Overall, I do find this a more laid back place than PM, and with a better site design. There is less sarcasm here, less of a sense than people are scoring points off each other, and more camaraderie.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Nov 8, 2017 14:12:17 GMT -5
I think you guys run a great forum!
As john mentioned, it is very easy to misjudge something in text. What seems like obvious sarcasm to one seems like a flat statement to another and vise versa. One of the things I like most about this forum is the care the members put into their writing compared to other places. So much confusion is avoided when people speak in full sentences and use correct punctuation. haha I even feel as though I am getting to know some of your personalities through your individual writing styles.
I had a bit of a joking repartee with a member recently and he went as far as sending me a personal message to clarify we were both indeed taking the conversation as jest. I would like to say that I am never meant to be spiteful and if ever you feel slighted in any way, let me know.
And if someone is here to troll and be a d-bag, then I am glad we have active moderators to sort them out.
On the subject of forums dying, I'd say it will wax and wane like anything else. Social media has siphoned a lot of people away, but as FaceBook become more and more of an idiot's cyber-landscape of commercials, troll-humour, and casual racism, people who like carrying on real conversations will return to smaller, more private venues.
It is also fun leveling up the stars.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 8, 2017 14:15:28 GMT -5
Everyone has made good points, but John and Darin kind of zeroed in on how I see it.
I too wish I could go back and edit...quite often I post at O-dark thirty on an Iphone with bad lighting and eyesight being what it is, I often don't get it right on first try...but, I understand why the editing window has to have a reasonable closure time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 14:45:52 GMT -5
The best thing about this forum, is that it is getting better.
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Post by Nevadablue on Nov 8, 2017 14:57:49 GMT -5
Oh, yes, I know why the edit is short. No problem, just asking.
If a post is considered something that should be reported, the quote feature is a good one. IMO, quote the post and report it. That way nothing can be hidden by editing.
I spent a lot of days/months moderating a very busy and sometimes combative forum. I completely understand why rules must be in place.
Thanks again for hosting our 'club' as David put it.
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Post by herbinedave on Nov 8, 2017 14:59:55 GMT -5
All good here, even the few times I was in Asshole mode!
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Post by crapgame on Nov 8, 2017 15:02:24 GMT -5
Justin the forum here is alive and well!!! I have not seen any strong personalities taking over and the ones that have tried become irrelevant. We survive because we are brothers and sisters with a common goal ,enjoying smoking pipes...the politics and such can be found elsewhere and must stay there. Because of that we stay strong.. the bond of pipe smoking is stronger than what else may try and come to poison this forum...!
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Post by papipeguy on Nov 8, 2017 15:36:57 GMT -5
As an addendum, for those who like a less structured climate please join us in the chat room at night. Things usually get rolling at 9:00 PM EST. We talk pipes, tobacco, politics, aches and pains or whatever else comes to mind. We probably laugh more than anything else.
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Post by crapgame on Nov 8, 2017 18:04:13 GMT -5
I just want to add that I knew kinda knew Justin from another forum, I was pretty much a wall flower and said little. I asked a few questions and replied to a few posts but was not really well known to him. When Justin started this forum he invited me..ME of all people! The guy that really said nothing, wasn't a forum "POWER BROKER"...just started smoking pipes again after an 11 year hiatus..and did not own 50 pipes and 400 lbs of tobacco. At the other forum I always felt like I needed to 'Qualify" to be a member and to always be quiet and let the "Adult" pipe smokers talk. I came here on day one and can say this forum is a place where pretensions are left outside, everyone is a valued member and that this place is all about the enjoyment of our hobby..NOTHING more! Is it all lollipops and daisies?..No, there have been minor dust ups and feelings have been hurt, but overall we all are adults and act like adults. That is why this forum is growing while others are shrinking.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 18:06:57 GMT -5
I got invited here as well, by total surprise. I have invited a few here, too. It's just a great place to discuss the joys of pipe smoking without getting all anal over it.
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Post by JimInks on Nov 8, 2017 18:17:57 GMT -5
Being a founding member of this forum, and having known Sparks and Papipeguy from other places, I can say they do their jobs well, as do the other mods.
I've heard it said elsewhere that forums are more important than people. I won't bother to explain why that is a stupid comment as everybody reading this already knows the answer. The members make the forums, and those of us who contribute mostly do a very good job. I would urge those who lurk to contribute posts, ask questions, answer questions, have fun, and enjoy the company of friends. Everything will be more lively and entertaining and informative, and forums can always use more contributors.
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Post by craigmillar on Nov 8, 2017 18:32:39 GMT -5
Just got to thinking the choice for the POY sort of sets the mood down to earth and comfortable.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 19:20:26 GMT -5
I don't think forums as a whole are dying and they will be around for a long time yet to come, Individual forums may die or grow stagnate and the members that they may draw in or let go will change on a somewhat regular basis too.
Fair and balanced moderation is a must and from what i have seen (or have not seen) i think things go pretty smoothly here.
Pipe and Tobacco Snobbery appears to be minimal here - so that is a good
I like the structure of a dotcom forum such as this because it makes it easier to find topics of interest Compared to the structure of the facebook forums they don't really have the capability of any structure other than a single pinned post at the top.
As far as any other mentioned forums - i no nothing, i have not seen anything, i don't remember anyone and i plead the 5th if asked ...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 19:41:32 GMT -5
I hope Facebook goes the way of Myspace. I am only on FB for the couple friends I made on there. This type of forum stemmed from the old Bulletin Board BBS sites. It will be around longer as it's done for love, not owning the world or your min
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Post by kb7get on Nov 8, 2017 20:24:24 GMT -5
As an addendum, for those who like a less structured climate please join us in the chat room at night. Things usually get rolling at 9:00 PM EST. We talk pipes, tobacco, politics, aches and pains or whatever else comes to mind. We probably laugh more than anything else. I agree with John on this. Posting in here gives us people to talk about over in chat.
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Post by crapgame on Nov 8, 2017 20:28:39 GMT -5
I don't think forums will go the way of the Dodo but more of how the bald eagles have gone...very close to being gone but brought back from the edge by some dedicated people.
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Post by Matthew on Nov 8, 2017 20:33:57 GMT -5
I was invited here by Jim,and can Honestly say I was Excited that he would invite me anywhere.I'm not a high-end smoker.I have a bunch of estate pipes, and a few cobs.I've a meek cellar going,and most of it is mystery mixes.But,I enjoy reading Jim's reviews, and his descriptions of his pipes.It's better than window shopping cause I can do it sitting down.I enjoy the comaradery and friendly ribbing among the users here.And I believe that as long as we're having fun and learning from each other that others who visit will be more inclined to join in. I feel that the admin and mods are doing a fine job,and wouldn't presume to be able to offer advice.I'm good at starting arguments not stopping them.Albeit,I do try to make them fun(mostly).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 21:22:30 GMT -5
I found this forum a little over a year ago while doing a Google search. I am so glad I joined. I was and am still on the PM forum under another user name. I may have 75 posts there in two years. I just don't feel as comfortable or welcome posting there. This is a much, much better place. Feels like a friendly little town rather than a big mean metropolis. The moderation is firm and fair. I don't think any change is necessary in that regard. I tip my pipe to you mods! 👊👊👊
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Post by duffer on Nov 10, 2017 15:47:25 GMT -5
Very new on this forum. I enjoy the welcoming feel and sense of community this forum encourages.
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Post by just ol ed on Nov 10, 2017 16:04:57 GMT -5
I knew Justin briefly yrs ago from casual get togethers at an old school B&M in Buffalo suburb. Standup guy, enthusiastic about our hobby...actually watched him make a pipe under the tutelage of a master carver/owner Brian K. Justin a true perfectionist in the craft...those that have any of his offerings can attest to that. Time goes by & here we are online. I don't cruise the entire site but fairly active on these threads. Kudos to Sparks/Justin for starting both these sites.
Yep...the chat can be lots of fun. Especially the parts concerning the techno miseries of yours' truly & his age. Carry on oh fearless leader!
Ed Duncan, Batavia, NY
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