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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 18:09:27 GMT -5
To be built in Huntsville, Toyota and Mazda will build a joint venture plant costing 1.6 Billion dollars. The production plant is projected to employ 4,000 people @ an average salary of $50,000 and to be completed by 2021 with estimated output of 300,000 vehicles.
Source: Associated Press
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Post by bonanzadriver on Jan 11, 2018 20:51:43 GMT -5
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Post by papipeguy on Jan 11, 2018 21:15:17 GMT -5
Very good news, indeed.
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Post by daveinlax on Jan 11, 2018 21:59:48 GMT -5
I don't know if that's the package or wage but 50k is less than what guy was making in wages at GM over 20 years ago. I suppose it's pretty good money these days.
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Post by papipeguy on Jan 11, 2018 23:29:34 GMT -5
Good pay for the area and,for now, no union dues. People should be very happy for a job there.
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Post by trailboss on Jan 12, 2018 3:41:21 GMT -5
I don't know if that's the package or wage but 50k is less than what guy was making in wages at GM over 20 years ago. I suppose it's pretty good money these days. Wages across the board have been pretty stagnant...Even in the tech field, some IT guys have told me that the preference for H1B visas by politicians on both sides of the aisle have depressed the wages. In the transportation industry, even with the shortage of drivers it hasn’t been very rosy for a long time. I am making decent money, but I work 55 hours a week. As for the factory being built, it should really help the local businesses in that region.
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Post by Darin on Jan 12, 2018 6:24:14 GMT -5
Isn't Huntsville where they had Space Camp? They get all the good stuff! As for wages, while the average Joe's wage has stagnated, the average Corporate Monkey has earned vastly more. Keep piling money on the top of a table whose legs are crumbling and see what happens.
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Post by dervis on Jan 12, 2018 9:04:15 GMT -5
I live 45 mins outside Huntsville. The NASA cuts have hurt it a bit. These will be welcomed jobs for sure. Polaris and Remington also opened in the area.
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Post by herbinedave on Jan 12, 2018 9:27:07 GMT -5
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Post by bonanzadriver on Jan 12, 2018 10:18:50 GMT -5
Seeing that immediately makes me think of this !
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Post by herbinedave on Jan 12, 2018 10:23:14 GMT -5
Seeing that immediately makes me think of this ! At least you aren't quoting Ayn Rand!
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Post by Darin on Jan 12, 2018 10:28:34 GMT -5
The question isn't who is going to let me, it's who is going to stop me.
- Ayn Rand
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Post by jpberg on Jan 12, 2018 11:05:11 GMT -5
The politics are making this place a bore.
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Post by Darin on Jan 12, 2018 11:28:37 GMT -5
... says the guy who has contributed all of 21 posts. A little "ribbing" here and there isn't going to kill anyone and humans are getting way too thin skinned. Besides, look at the quote ... apropos and funny all at once!
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Post by daveinlax on Jan 12, 2018 11:36:54 GMT -5
... says the guy who has contributed all of 21 posts. A little "ribbing" here and there isn't going to kill anyone and humans are getting way too thin skinned. Besides, look at the quote ... apropos and funny all at once! Don't let a post count one one board fool you JP's well known and I'll bet you'll go home crying before he will.
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Post by Darin on Jan 12, 2018 12:02:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 12:10:00 GMT -5
... says the guy who has contributed all of 21 posts. A little "ribbing" here and there isn't going to kill anyone and humans are getting way too thin skinned. Besides, look at the quote ... apropos and funny all at once! Don't let a post count one one board fool you JP's well known and I'll bet you'll go home crying before he will. Yeah, we know. He’s not a moderator here though, just some forum noob with 21 comments.
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Post by jpberg on Jan 12, 2018 13:00:57 GMT -5
I’m just trying to figure out if I want carry around Atlas Shrugged or The Communist Manifesto.
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Post by herbinedave on Jan 12, 2018 13:04:05 GMT -5
I’m just trying to figure out if I want carry around Atlas Shrugged or The Communist Manifesto. I think a copy of the Constitution will do!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 13:37:57 GMT -5
I’m just trying to figure out if I want carry around Atlas Shrugged or The Communist Manifesto. We scratch around a little in the sandbox here every now and then but, except for one time, nobody has taken it personally and we get along. Papaw used to live in a dry county but everybody knew there was booze at the VFW. Nobody was going to tell a bunch of WWII and Korean War vets they couldn’t meet up, drink and mix company whenever they wanted. Some of the discussions got lively at times but everybody went home when the place closed and were still buds the next day. People here still chose their words fairly carefully, the mods do a good job when things go completely off the rails and there’s still mutual respect the next day. No worries.
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Post by herbinedave on Jan 12, 2018 13:40:29 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 13:59:56 GMT -5
I'm not sure that using Orwell to make an anti-union point makes much sense. His politics were sometimes contradictory, but he was primarily a socialist. It's interesting, anyway, that his works resonate with both the right and left - presumably for entirely different reasons, or perhaps because they both see "the other side" in terms of totalitarianism and oppression. I know I do!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 14:10:01 GMT -5
This could be interpreted in many different ways in modern context. Toyota turned Georgetown, KY into a boom town and have been good corporate citizens as well. Last time I heard, starting wage was $14/hr. Not bad for unskilled labor and the product produced is top shelf. Their work force may be some of the best educated as they draw a lot of kids with BAs from surrounding universities getting their first real jobs which I would contribute to being part of their success. Lot of different ways to go with this one for sure.
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Post by trailboss on Jan 12, 2018 14:36:39 GMT -5
Let me start by saying that this certainly isn't political, just the observations of a Teamster that has been in the union for 38 years, and has paid dues the whole time, I will be filing for my pension next week.I joined the union in 1989, and I believe in collective bargaining and have always upheld what I swore to "An honest days's work for an honest day's pay"...I have had a sterling career, and always strove to provide better service, and be better than my non-union counterparts. I have over 2 million miles accident free, and have placed nationally in truck driving competitions two out of the four years that I chose to compete. When I joined the union, my business agent was John Kikes in Local 78 in Hayward California, and he had a pretty compelling personality in that position...but, something always seemed fishy about him. He would attend fund raising ventures with the president of the company that I worked for, and when we had grievances that seemed ironclad, his tough talk would disappear and we were given the "well that's the way it is", when we failed on that count, while work was outsourced to non union carriers. After I left that local and relocated to Arizona, John was caught up in a federal sting. He was caught on tape cutting a deal with a former union boss that had been banned from ever having anything to do with the union. John and him were working hand in hand to help companies stay non union by getting paid "protection money" to stay out of it. When the Teamster officials of the bay area threw him under the bus and claimed they knew nothing of the arrangement (total BS), he wrote a scathing admission: www.ibtvote.org/files/2006esd200.pdf(This is 2006 dollars folks)That truth would have never came out otherwise, and should have triggered a federal investigation, but it did not. Carter signed trucking deregulation, and whatever you feel about it, it signaled the death knell for the unions, Clinton signed NAFTA that allows Mexican truck drivers to drive on US highways. The union has been a staunch supporter of illegal immigration which further drives down the opportunities for working Americans. I unknowingly knew that the Pelosi's owned restaurants in the wine country that attempted to unionize, when I called on the customer, rank and file employees told me that they had been "shut down" www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Pelosi-s-husband-prefers-a-low-profile-2660253.phpI could never figure out why the union after supporting Reagan in his first term, started to become a fundraising arm of one political party...it just doesn't make sense, because when you so ardently support one party...if and when that party is out of power you have no voice, especially when that party so ardently supports that one party..they alienate themselves from being to work with the other party. The east coast and central states pension fund is in deep, deep, trouble dating back to the seventies when the mob raided the pension plans to build hunting lodges and chic getaway's for themselves while financing lavish lifestyles. I am in the western conference, and thanks to a forward thinking individual, it was set up as a "trust fund" when he saw what was taking place to the east. Making it a trust fund, made it harder for that scale of criminal behavior to take place.... As a result, the western conference is in pretty good shape. That isn't stopping the Jerks in the central conference and east coast conference to try and have the funds merged so everyone can suffer together for their misdeeds.
At one timed there were over 60 major trucking companies under the master freight agreement putting funds into the pension plan, I work for the lone survivor thanks to the union betting on the wrong racehorses in the political realm and shoddy mismanagement. I am going to take my pension as it is administered through Prudential as an annuity set aside for me. Fact of the matter is, the amount of funds paid by my employers over almost 30 years should provide a lot more money conservatively invested...but I signed up for the program, so it is what it is. I have seen plenty of teamsters die within a year or two of retiring and if they didn't take the surviving spouse option or were single, not a further dime was paid out after 30 years of faithful service. All of this hasn't gone unnoticed by non-union executives and their employees, making organizing them a tough sell. Consequently, when I have volunteered, the employees use the union threat to get a better raise and tell the union...thanks but no thanks. I certainly understand the socialist roots of unionization, but I still believe in collective bargaining and having a voice in the political dialogue to support the individual, but through sheer greed, gross mismanagement, kickbacks and corruption that runs deep, the unions are a shell of what they should be. FDR was against governmental unions, because he saw that politicians can make endless promises for political support, and the taxpayer would be on the hook. That is why there is such a pension crisis across the country, most notably in the major cities. I know a retired fire battalion chief from the bay area that has a pension in the six figures annually that really doesn't need it...he was promised it so he deserves it though, but when you have tens of thousands of employees that benefits are paid to for 20-30 years after retiring, it become unsustainable. Eventually there will be a day of reckoning, and when it happens, it ain't going to be pretty. And back to my business agent John Kikes...his wife at the time was a schools superintendent that made 200k per year....the marriage broke up because he screwed everything in sight. He now runs a farmers insurance franchise in very upscale Danville Ca. agents.farmers.com/ca/danville/john-kikesThe worst he has to deal with is getting his Mercedes, BMW, and Ferrari keyed...but as his own insurance agent, I am sure his bases are covered well. patch.com/california/danville/are-cars-safe-at-blackhawk-plazaThere is life after the union...a really good one when you are an indicted official, and really pay no measurable price.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 14:58:36 GMT -5
Well played. Smoke a bowl Charlie.
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Post by simnettpratt on Jan 12, 2018 14:59:08 GMT -5
Hey, Fiat Chrysler also just announced they're creating 2,500 new US jobs by moving the production of Ram Heavy Duty trucks from Saltillo, Mexico, to Warren, Michigan, in 2020. It's also paying $2,000 bonuses to about 60,000 employees, because of the new tax reforms. Not trying to be political, that's the reason they're giving. Michigan can probably use the jobs. www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/fca-announces-plan-to-invest-more-than-1-billion-in-michigan-plant-add-2500-new-jobs-and-pay-2000-bonus-to-us-employees-actions-supported-by-us-tax-reform-300581764.html
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Post by Darin on Jan 12, 2018 15:07:33 GMT -5
Amazing story, Charlie!
It seems that no matter how good the initial intentions, money and power corrupt them over time.
From a study that was done on the subject:
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Post by trailboss on Jan 12, 2018 15:09:54 GMT -5
For lack of a better phrase Darin, an excellent hypothesis.
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Post by trailboss on Jan 12, 2018 15:14:54 GMT -5
Edit: I have been in the union 28 years, not 38.....
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Post by puffy on Jan 12, 2018 15:23:17 GMT -5
This factory will put money into the local economy.That's a good thing..As far as unions go there's good things and bad things about them. I've belonged to the UAW since 1964.Many times over the years bosses threatened to fire me but it din't happened.I don't believe that I would have lasted 30 years without union support. Now that I'm retired I don't have to belong but I do.I still get some benefits by paying $3 a month to belong.I don't give them any money for politics because I don't always agree with their choices.I think that whether or not you need a union depends on who you work for.In my case I'm very glad I had one.
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