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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 13, 2019 21:46:30 GMT -5
The sheriffs in Harris County are as Charlie described. We know them and trust them more than the police. You should see the community outpouring when one of them is injured or killed. The last deputy killed overflowed the memorial services and pulled in hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations. The one before him was similar and got a park named after him. You can walk up to a sheriff and talk to him. Don't try this with the Houston police.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 22:11:24 GMT -5
Agree.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 22:35:30 GMT -5
No Police department in my small town, just Sheriff and Deputies. Occasionally the Highway Patrol will come to town and set up Speed Traps, to keep everyone on their toes.
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 14, 2019 6:15:57 GMT -5
I never realised there was such a distinction. I'm learning something new every day.
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Post by driftingfate on Oct 14, 2019 8:04:38 GMT -5
I never realised there was such a distinction. I'm learning something new every day. Most people don't understand the difference, don't feel bad, but the duly elected Sheriff has a tremendous responsibility and the authority to go with it. Even the Supreme Court, in their infinite wisdom, recognized that the Sheriff is the CLEO (Chief Law Enforcement Officer) within their county. It's predicated on the idea that they are the highest elected (critical point) official with law enforcement duties in a given area. As such, they can, though rarely do, supersede the feds. And, frankly, as true representation is so important to us, taxes and otherwise, it needs to be this way. Of course, they, as everyone is, are supposed to follow the Constitution. That so many view that amazing document as an impediment rather than the law of the land just proves why the Sheriff is so important. Unfortunately, despite being elected, too many Sheriffs bow to the weight of other politicians, this is where the CSPOA comes in to educate the Sheriffs as to what their oaths mean, what are their responsibilities, and to reinforce the idea of what their duty is to the public. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 14, 2019 8:07:51 GMT -5
I never realised there was such a distinction. I'm learning something new every day. Most people don't understand the difference, don't feel bad, but the duly elected Sheriff has a tremendous responsibility and the authority to go with it. Even the Supreme Court, in their infinite wisdom, recognized that the Sheriff is the CLEO (Chief Law Enforcement Officer) within their county. It's predicated on the idea that they are the highest elected (critical point) official with law enforcement duties in a given area. As such, they can, though rarely do, supersede the feds. And, frankly, as true representation is so important to us, taxes and otherwise, it needs to be this way. Of course, they, as everyone is, are supposed to follow the Constitution. That so many view that amazing document as an impediment rather than the law of the land just proves why the Sheriff is so important. Unfortunately, despite being elected, too many Sheriffs bow to the weight of other politicians, this is where the CSPOA comes in to educate the Sheriffs as to what their oaths mean, what are their responsibilities, and to reinforce the idea of what their duty is to the public. That's really helpful. Thank you. |
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Post by oldcajun123 on Oct 14, 2019 9:30:02 GMT -5
 It’s good if you have a good Sherriff, it’s bad if you have a bad one, I have a bad one, I keep away from him, called him out, fight me, bare knuckle, knife, gun, whatever you want, coward stayed in his office, don’t go to town much, don’t trust myself.
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Post by toshtego on Oct 14, 2019 10:17:38 GMT -5
I never realised there was such a distinction. I'm learning something new every day. Most people don't understand the difference, don't feel bad, but the duly elected Sheriff has a tremendous responsibility and the authority to go with it. Even the Supreme Court, in their infinite wisdom, recognized that the Sheriff is the CLEO (Chief Law Enforcement Officer) within their county. It's predicated on the idea that they are the highest elected (critical point) official with law enforcement duties in a given area. As such, they can, though rarely do, supersede the feds. And, frankly, as true representation is so important to us, taxes and otherwise, it needs to be this way. Of course, they, as everyone is, are supposed to follow the Constitution. That so many view that amazing document as an impediment rather than the law of the land just proves why the Sheriff is so important. Unfortunately, despite being elected, too many Sheriffs bow to the weight of other politicians, this is where the CSPOA comes in to educate the Sheriffs as to what their oaths mean, what are their responsibilities, and to reinforce the idea of what their duty is to the public. I do not buy the Sheriff supremacy argument as it is now interpreted by some Sheriffs and some political activists. It really depends upon the constitution of each state and the charter of individual counties. For example, in many counties of many states, the elected Sheriff has little law enforcement responsibility. They are responsible for court security, transportation of court prisoners, housing prisoners, serving court writs and orders such as Eviction and Foreclosures. Holding property sales of foreclosed and impounded property. In many jurisdictions, the Sheriff is not even required to posses a certificate of peace officer training or have any law enforcement experience. They are strictly administrators. My state only required a Sheriff to have a state issued LEO certificate before assuming the duties of Sheriff in 2016. In counties where they have law enforcement duties, that Sheriff is sworn to uphold that state's constitution which often specifies the supremacy of executive authority by the Governor. Some states have an Attorney General named as the top law officer. Even in states where this is silent. A county judge or county magistrate has authority over a Sheriff. Then there is the issue of "Sheriff Nullification" of certain laws. This is the unfortunate practice of Sheriffs choosing which laws to enforce and which to ignore. No offense meant here, but many sheriffs out here are not well educated people and certainly not expert on Constitutional Law. They have no business expressing official opinions about the constitutionality of laws passed by their state legislature and signed by their governor. They are sworn to enforce all federal and state laws.
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Post by toshtego on Oct 14, 2019 10:23:47 GMT -5
We are a nation which, until recently, held the view most commonly, that if there is any "Supremacy" hereabouts it is The Constitution of the Unites States and not in any one person. We fought a bloody war over that point and most of us agree with it.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 14, 2019 10:26:26 GMT -5
Depends on your point of view. If they ban ARs, the Houston police will enforce it even though it's unconstitutional. The Harris County Sheriffs will not. Your own states Sheriff Arapaio (Sp?) is a great example, doing what his voters wanted in spite of the bad laws.
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Post by toshtego on Oct 14, 2019 10:33:25 GMT -5
Depends on your point of view. If they ban ARs, the Houston police will enforce it even though it's unconstitutional. The Harris County Sheriffs will not. Your own states Sheriff Arapaio (Sp?) is a great example, doing what his voters wanted in spite of the bad laws. That is the point exactly. Sheriff's DO NOT have opinions on "bad" laws. They enforce all of them. They are not, for the most part, qualified to interpret or rule on Constitutionality. Anything like that is a short road to chaos. |
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Post by toshtego on Oct 14, 2019 10:37:08 GMT -5
If a particular law is thought to conflict with our Constitution, then take the matter to court or pass a repeal in the legislature. Please do not ask law enforcement to ignore it. Political influence on law enforcement is what happens in Third World countries and totalitarian dictatorships. Not in this country.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 14, 2019 10:44:20 GMT -5
Depends on your point of view. If they ban ARs, the Houston police will enforce it even though it's unconstitutional. The Harris County Sheriffs will not. Your own states Sheriff Arapaio (Sp?) is a great example, doing what his voters wanted in spite of the bad laws. That is the point exactly. Sheriff's DO NOT have opinions on "bad" laws. They enforce all of them. They are not, for the most part, qualified to interpret or rule on Constitutionality. Anything like that is a short road to chaos. Well, as Congress proves daily, there is a difference between knowing what you can get away with and knowing what is right. The Constitution is 233 years old, and it's not that hard to understand. Willful ignorance is not an excuse to pass bad laws. Your state is not representative of the the norm for the country, and neither is Louisiana. The LA Sheriffs have a long history of reimcarnating the Sheriff of Nottingham, and running their parishes as their own personal fifedoms. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 14, 2019 10:45:27 GMT -5
If a particular law is thought to conflict with our Constitution, then take the matter to court or pass a repeal in the legislature. Please do not ask law enforcement to ignore it. Political influence on law enforcement is what happens in Third World countries and totalitarian dictatorships. Not in this country.
I can't believe that you actually believe that! Maybe you have been isolated from current events for too long. Yeah, nothing bad can happen while the case spends years working its way through the process. |
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Post by toshtego on Oct 14, 2019 10:56:11 GMT -5
If a particular law is thought to conflict with our Constitution, then take the matter to court or pass a repeal in the legislature. Please do not ask law enforcement to ignore it. Political influence on law enforcement is what happens in Third World countries and totalitarian dictatorships. Not in this country.
I can't believe that you actually believe that! Maybe you have been isolated from current events for too long. Yeah, nothing bad can happen while the case spends years working its way through the process. Normally, the injunctive process is quick enough to temporarily relieve a wrong. True enough, it can take a up to years for a dispute to work its way up the chain for final resolution. However, those few years are nothing compared to the generations which follow. |
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Post by toshtego on Oct 14, 2019 11:07:15 GMT -5
That is the point exactly. Sheriff's DO NOT have opinions on "bad" laws. They enforce all of them. They are not, for the most part, qualified to interpret or rule on Constitutionality. Anything like that is a short road to chaos. Well, as Congress proves daily, there is a difference between knowing what you can get away with and knowing what is right. The Constitution is 233 years old, and it's not that hard to understand. Willful ignorance is not an excuse to pass bad laws. Your state is not representative of the the norm for the country, and neither is Louisiana. The LA Sheriffs have a long history of reimcarnating the Sheriff of Nottingham, and running their parishes as their own personal fifedoms. Some counties of New Mexico have a similar history. We went through years with a Sheriff who enforced laws according to who is in your family and how long your family resided in New Mexico. Many Sheriffs in some places, years ago, did not believe laws pertaining to voting, civil rights, equal rights should be enforced at all. Gradually, that changed. All laws pertain to all people. |
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Post by daveinlax on Oct 14, 2019 11:13:58 GMT -5
If a particular law is thought to conflict with our Constitution, then take the matter to court or pass a repeal in the legislature. Please do not ask law enforcement to ignore it. Political influence on law enforcement is what happens in Third World countries and totalitarian dictatorships. Not in this country.
Yeah, we don't need a fringe alt right sheriff enforcing his version of the law as he sees it.  |
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 14, 2019 11:18:49 GMT -5
If a particular law is thought to conflict with our Constitution, then take the matter to court or pass a repeal in the legislature. Please do not ask law enforcement to ignore it. Political influence on law enforcement is what happens in Third World countries and totalitarian dictatorships. Not in this country.
Yeah, we don't need a fringe alt right sheriff enforcing his version of the law as he sees it. Oh yes we do! 🐎😖☠️🤯🤠 |
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Post by toshtego on Oct 14, 2019 11:24:37 GMT -5
Yeah, we don't need a fringe alt right sheriff enforcing his version of the law as he sees it. Oh yes we do! 🐎😖☠️🤯🤠 LOL! I am interested in continuing this conversation. This is not the place as we are likely over the line on political discussion. I suggest we let this subject go. |
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Post by oldcajun123 on Oct 14, 2019 11:28:52 GMT -5
I’m enjoying it, nice and civil.
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 14, 2019 11:34:42 GMT -5
It is may be civil now, but it's getting a bit too political for my liking.
Can we park this for now please?
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Post by pepesdad1 on Oct 14, 2019 11:46:10 GMT -5
Beautiful day here in central north Florida...87° but feels like 93°...too much humidity once again...tried sitting on the porch and couldn't stand more than 10 minutes...so it is off to the shed to have a smoke there. Ran to the P.O. today forgetting that it is Columbus Day and it was closed...guess I'll be running tomorrow morning. Happy to be alive and well and enjoying the company of fellow smokers here on the Patch, where we can disagree politely.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 12:28:52 GMT -5
For once I am innocent as can be. Tried to follow Walts idea now sitting in the house with AC blowing on me.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 14, 2019 12:29:06 GMT -5
Nice warm day here in SE Texas. So much to do I can't decide where to start.
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Post by kbareit on Oct 14, 2019 12:48:51 GMT -5
Broke a tooth Friday night and wasn't in any pain but stopped to make an appointment to get it fixed this morning. Must have been a slow day because they took me right in and ended up getting a root canal and temporary crown. I have to go back in a couple weeks and get the permanent crown put in. What a way to start the week.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 12:49:23 GMT -5
Try a nap Ron that's where I am headed cause naps are the shitznick. Never do today what you put off until later or con someone into doing it for you. Sorry about your tooth Ken.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Oct 14, 2019 12:53:48 GMT -5
I agree, it’s nap city for me
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Post by toshtego on Oct 14, 2019 12:59:55 GMT -5
I’m enjoying it, nice and civil. The conversation is civil because the parties respect one and another. I am not likely to allow differing views to change my friendships. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 14, 2019 13:08:47 GMT -5
Broke a tooth Friday night and wasn't in any pain but stopped to make an appointment to get it fixed this morning. Must have been a slow day because they took me right in and ended up getting a root canal and temporary crown. I have to go back in a couple weeks and get the permanent crown put in. What a way to start the week. I have a cavity that I need to get filled. I was about to call the dentist Friday when I got an email saying that my dentist has moved to Conroe. 😖🤐🤠 |
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 14, 2019 13:32:27 GMT -5
I got my tooth looked at today. Gonna need a root canal treatment, but thankfully today the dentist was able to drill the tooth and pack it with a sedative dressing. That'll have to keep until 31st Oct.
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It’s good if you have a good Sherriff, it’s bad if you have a bad one, I have a bad one, I keep away from him, called him out, fight me, bare knuckle, knife, gun, whatever you want, coward stayed in his office, don’t go to town much, don’t trust myself.
