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Post by That Falls Guy on Feb 28, 2018 17:58:14 GMT -5
I see that many leave the tobacco in the tin for whatever time they want to age it. Conversely, many remove it from the tin, and seal it in jars. I tend to put it in jars, as I think that by opening the tin and initially exposing it to air begins the aging process. Leaving it in the tin tends to keep it in its original state due to being somewhat vacuum sealed. How do you age yours? ?
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Post by Dramatwist on Feb 28, 2018 17:59:28 GMT -5
I see that many leave the tobacco in the tin for whatever time they want to age it. Conversely, many remove it from the tin, and seal it in jars. I tend to put it in jars, as I think that by opening the tin and initially exposing it to air begins the aging process. Leaving it in the tin tends to keep it in its original state due to being somewhat vacuum sealed. How do you age yours? ? ...from sad experience, don't trust the tins... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 18:03:16 GMT -5
I do whatever seems to strike me. My one thought about opening the tin is that the reason it may age is due to contaminants in the air that ferment. If you are in SF you get world class sourdough bread. Take that very dough to NY and it takes on a different flavor. For good or bad. In opening vintage tins, from way back, they were not meant to be forever, and the tin can have rust or stuck tobacco to it.
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Post by That Falls Guy on Feb 28, 2018 18:06:11 GMT -5
I've never had any problems with keeping tobacco in tins, but I just don't think that they help in the aging process. I guess that if they're older tins lacking the technology of today's tins, I'd want to be very careful. Either way, your advice is well taken.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 18:12:48 GMT -5
I've never had any problems with keeping tobacco in tins, but I just don't think that they help in the aging process. I guess that if they're older tins lacking the technology of today's tins, I'd want to be very careful. Either way, your advice is well taken. In the case of McC's best of show Aro I can safely say there was a very positive difference in 14 years. New it has a sweet, caramel like flavor, but with vinegar. The vintage lost that and the nougat factor increased |
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Post by That Falls Guy on Feb 28, 2018 18:15:03 GMT -5
Vinegar or the traditional 'Ketchup'? And how's the dog doing?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 18:21:33 GMT -5
when and if you jar, Shane Ireland on a recent broadcast, emphasized to use the jar as bought. his point being it came from a sterile environment and will never be cleaner. Washing the jar is a false preventive and will only increase the chances of contamination.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 18:21:48 GMT -5
Vinegar or the traditional 'Ketchup'? And how's the dog doing? Yup, and yip yip yip! Bully the Lionhearted is at the groomer's today. He may be neutered, but I am guessing he's still going to get laid by some perfumy poodle. We'll find out how the heartworm situation is in a couple months. He seems so healthy I think he'll be negative. At the worst he will simply have to count on the medicine he has been on for maintenance. We've never had such a good tempered doggie. KittyDog may be close, but she was also sneaky. This dog takes nothing for granted and waits for us to act. He is now allowed on the bed, besides his doggie bed. He appreciates everything. We could not be happier. Thanks for asking. |
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Post by rblood on Feb 28, 2018 18:24:25 GMT -5
Jars are just too darn hard to stack/store - I'll take my chances on the tins.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 18:34:20 GMT -5
It's a mix here so no vote.
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Post by johnlawitzke on Feb 28, 2018 19:01:40 GMT -5
My tins stay in the tin until I open them and then they go in a jar.
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Post by That Falls Guy on Feb 28, 2018 19:15:45 GMT -5
Do you open them for aging, or for smoking?
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Post by Dramatwist on Feb 28, 2018 19:18:05 GMT -5
Do you open them for aging, or for smoking? ..open for sample (if untried), then into mason jars... |
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Post by Dramatwist on Feb 28, 2018 19:20:33 GMT -5
when and if you jar, Shane Ireland on a recent broadcast, emphasized to use the jar as bought. his point being it came from a sterile environment and will never be cleaner. Washing the jar is a false preventive and will only increase the chances of contamination. ...might be true, but... |
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Post by johnlawitzke on Feb 28, 2018 19:24:45 GMT -5
Do you open them for aging, or for smoking? Mine stay sealed to age. They get opened and jarred for smoking. I guess my original post has a little non-specific in basically saying they stay sealed until I open them.  |
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Post by Dramatwist on Feb 28, 2018 19:28:42 GMT -5
...once they go in jars, do they get open from time to time? I've always heard that once in the jar, you leave it alone...
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Post by johnlawitzke on Feb 28, 2018 19:42:48 GMT -5
...once they go in jars, do they get open from time to time? I've always heard that once in the jar, you leave it alone... I only use 8oz jars and put in 50gm/2oz. I never use large jars. A 100gm tin will get split into two jars. One for smoking and the other jar stays sealed in my cellar until I am ready to smoke it. For flake, I’ll fit 100gm in one jar. The gas exchange of opening flips between anaerobic and aerobic fermentation. It sends aging results down a different path. Not a worse path, just a different path. |
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Post by That Falls Guy on Feb 28, 2018 19:43:42 GMT -5
Do you open them for aging, or for smoking? Mine stay sealed to age. They get opened and jarred for smoking. I guess my original post has a little non-specific in basically saying they stay sealed until I open them. Do you leave them sealed for aging, or to preserve the original freshness? (Update...) Seems like you already answered this question before I posted this question. |
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Post by Dramatwist on Feb 28, 2018 19:45:00 GMT -5
...once they go in jars, do they get open from time to time? I've always heard that once in the jar, you leave it alone... I only use 8oz jars and put in 50gm/2oz. I never use large jars. A 100gm tin will get split into two jars. One for smoking and the other jar stays sealed in my cellar until I am ready to smoke it. For flake, I’ll fit 100gm in one jar. The gas exchange of opening flips between anaerobic and aerobic fermentation. It sends aging results down a different path. Not a worse path, just a different path. ...thanks, John! Always learning from you guys, even after 45 years... |
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Post by cigrmaster on Feb 28, 2018 20:40:26 GMT -5
I never open tins I have for aging and put them into jars. Tobacco ages better in their original tins in my experience. There is nothing better than opening a 15 year old tin, seeing the paper in the tin all dark and oily and seeing what was once a light brown color turn jet black. Most of my favorite blends come in tins only which I prefer. Here is some good info on aging tobacco. pipe-club.com/tobacco_aging_faq/eng/aging.php |
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Post by mwps70 on Mar 1, 2018 13:26:10 GMT -5
I've personally not had a problem with tin storage. Once opened the blend goes into a 4oz ball jar. I do try to check my tins from time to time for bulging or any other visual issues. I am however still experimenting/waiting to see what happens with my Esoterica bag storage. I may get a food saver in the near future to keep the bags from drying out.
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Post by Dramatwist on Mar 1, 2018 13:33:17 GMT -5
I've personally not had a problem with tin storage. Once opened the blend goes into a 4oz ball jar. I do try to check my tins from time to time for bulging or any other visual issues. I am however still experimenting/waiting to see what happens with my Esoterica bag storage. I may get a food saver in the near future to keep the bags from drying out. ...FWIW, I've had no luck with my food saver for tobacco storage... |
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Post by johnlawitzke on Mar 1, 2018 14:08:22 GMT -5
I've personally not had a problem with tin storage. Once opened the blend goes into a 4oz ball jar. I do try to check my tins from time to time for bulging or any other visual issues. I am however still experimenting/waiting to see what happens with my Esoterica bag storage. I may get a food saver in the near future to keep the bags from drying out. ...FWIW, I've had no luck with my food saver for tobacco storage... I'm not a fan of vacuum packing because tobacco needs some oxygen to age. |
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Post by johnlawitzke on Mar 1, 2018 14:09:40 GMT -5
One of the best articles that I've ever read regarding aging tobacco is part of Greg Pease's FAQ page: www.glpease.com/FAQ.html#AGEThere is a lot of great reading on Greg's web site. |
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Post by mwps70 on Mar 1, 2018 23:06:24 GMT -5
...FWIW, I've had no luck with my food saver for tobacco storage... I'm not a fan of vacuum packing because tobacco needs some oxygen to age. Thanks guys that is good information to know. I was thinking with the Stonehaven bags to just let them sit for a year or two...maybe more but then get them into jars. I won't worry about wasting money on a vacuum sealer then. |
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Post by trailboss on Mar 2, 2018 0:38:15 GMT -5
It is hard to improve upon cellaring with Mason Jars...if you keep the cardboard flats and dividers that the jars come in, it makes for easy long term storage and stackability. There has been some discussion about square tin failures, but most of mine are at the most 4 years in age and I haven't seen a problem...yet.
But there is plenty of opinions out there that support opening tins and jarring them to maximize the anerobic effect of aging.....I cannot say if hat opinion has validity, but I have seen several posts saying such.
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Post by slowroll on Mar 2, 2018 8:48:04 GMT -5
In addition to some aging, I find that Fred Hanna's approach of cheating by baking jarred or tinned tobacco in an oven for 3 - 5 hours at 180 - 210 F gives a very nice effect similar to about a year or so age. It's worth trying. I'm not a VaPer lover, as you all may have noticed, I smoke about 99.35 % lat blends. But, baking Haddo's Blend made it fairly enjoyable to me. Makes lat blends smoother as well.
I'm now going to try using my wife's sous vide immersion heater to heat jarred tobac in water at very tight temp control.
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Post by cigrmaster on Mar 2, 2018 13:03:21 GMT -5
I submit that if people are having issues with tins losing their seals, then there are serious temperature fluctuations possibly going on. If people have their tins in the winter at 50-60 degrees and then in the summer they are 80, that could be a cause for failed tins.
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Post by peteguy on Mar 2, 2018 13:30:43 GMT -5
One day at a time........I am here all week.
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Post by Wolfman on Mar 2, 2018 14:05:12 GMT -5
In addition to some aging, I find that Fred Hanna's approach of cheating by baking jarred or tinned tobacco in an oven for 3 - 5 hours at 180 - 210 F gives a very nice effect similar to about a year or so age. It's worth trying. I'm not a VaPer lover, as you all may have noticed, I smoke about 99.35 % lat blends. But, baking Haddo's Blend made it fairly enjoyable to me. Makes lat blends smoother as well. I'm now going to try using my wife's sous vide immersion heater to heat jarred tobac in water at very tight temp control. How do you do this? |
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