|
|
Post by trailboss on Mar 10, 2018 2:11:30 GMT -5
www.facebook.com/groups/2208299084/?multi_permalinks=10156159816784085¬if_id=1520572325339475¬if_t=group_highlights&ref=notifIf you cannot get the link..in the original post, Sutliff said that basically they are sad at the loss of McClellands, and worked with them, but they are ready to stand in the gap wit their match blends. The piling on immediately started as the posters said that Sutliff doesn't have blends that are in the McClellands genre. A small excerpt: And then there is a screenshot from 2 years ago where RussO and Woodsroad discuss some sort of Latakia sauce that had been made they had seen that wouldn't fool any pipe smoker.   I need some spray on latakia.... 
|
|
|
|
Post by Dramatwist on Mar 10, 2018 2:33:05 GMT -5
...that is PRICELESS, Charlie, thanks for the share!
|
|
sablebrush52
Full Member
Posts: 903
Favorite Pipe: Barling
Favorite Tobacco: whatever is in it
Location:
|
Post by sablebrush52 on Mar 10, 2018 2:39:49 GMT -5
Sutliff bashing is a popular topic with people who know nothing about tobaccos. They'd been supplying component leaf to McClelland for years.
|
|
|
|
Post by trailboss on Mar 10, 2018 2:42:44 GMT -5
You are welcome...there are some tributaries to that river....Brian Levine "Liked" the thread, he worked for MacBaren and Sutliff...I would like to hear what he has to say about it, but since he has had Steve Morisette and Matt Guss on his show, I am guessing that he doesn't really want to wade in these waters.
|
|
|
|
Post by trailboss on Mar 10, 2018 2:47:07 GMT -5
Sutliff bashing is a popular topic with people who know nothing about tobaccos. They'd been supplying component leaf to McClelland for years. Cut the crap Jesse! They don't say Syrian...(or is it Cyprian) Latakia in the description, so it is definitely sprayed on Latakia...heck, even Jiminks was fooled! www.tobaccoreviews.com/blend/3576/sutliff-tobacco-company-blend-no5I must admit...Jim's review was from '08...he was still a novice back then. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Location:
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 2:51:46 GMT -5
Sutliff represents a considerable portion of my cellar. of 110 pounds now, I am guessing they are about 30 pounds. I would be POed if I were sold a bill of goods, but if I smoke a tobacco without all the details known and it has something like Lat added in the sauce (or gravy, depending what country you're from) I wouldn't care. If I smoke a cherry tobacco I don't really care how the flavor got there or from whence it came, as long as it is to my liking. I am quite the pedestrian smoker
|
|
|
|
Post by Dramatwist on Mar 10, 2018 2:56:53 GMT -5
Sutliff represents a considerable portion of my cellar. of 110 pounds now, I am guessing they are about 30 pounds. I would be POed if I were sold a bill of goods, but if I smoke a tobacco without all the details known and it has something like Lat added in the sauce (or gravy, depending what country you're from) I wouldn't care. If I smoke a cherry tobacco I don't really care how the flavor got there or from whence it came, as long as it is to my liking. I am quite the pedestrian smoker ...agree with David. If I like it, I'll smoke it. I'm not the FDA... |
|
|
|
Post by trailboss on Mar 10, 2018 2:57:28 GMT -5
Sutliff is of Anglo Saxon origin, so I am guessing that it is a fish and chips topping is what they should come up with.
|
|
|
|
Post by JimInks on Mar 10, 2018 3:07:44 GMT -5
Sutliff bashing is a popular topic with people who know nothing about tobaccos. They'd been supplying component leaf to McClelland for years. They've also provided tobaccos and/or made blends for nearly every American tobacco company (and a few foreign ones) for years, including P&C, Peretti, Watch City, and many private blends for B&Ms that they do not commercially sell themselves. Funny how the unknowledgeable didn't notice or complain. |
|
sablebrush52
Full Member
Posts: 903
Favorite Pipe: Barling
Favorite Tobacco: whatever is in it
Location:
|
Post by sablebrush52 on Mar 10, 2018 3:09:12 GMT -5
Sutliff bashing is a popular topic with people who know nothing about tobaccos. They'd been supplying component leaf to McClelland for years. Cut the crap Jesse! They don't say Syrian...(or is it Cyprian) Latakia in the description, so it is definitely sprayed on Latakia...heck, even Jiminks was fooled! www.tobaccoreviews.com/blend/3576/sutliff-tobacco-company-blend-no5I must admit...Jim's review was from '08...he was still a novice back then.Now Charlie, unbunch those panties. I'm not referring to blends that Sutliff puts out under their own name, rather the tobaccos that they've been supplying to many other labels. Sutliff bashers have been smoking Sutliff tobaccos in their favorite blends for years. |
|
|
|
Post by trailboss on Mar 10, 2018 3:29:39 GMT -5
I hear ya Jesse...just caught up in the Jesterity of the Facebook posting. I thought that the civility of Matt compared to the one bringing the charge was quite revealing...then when painted into a corner..."well, I'm not a big shot of the SPC who has a vested interest" ....wow, that was really weak. For the purposes of full disclosure, thanks to Jesse I met Matt, and was immediately impressed, a true gentleman to the core. |
|
|
|
Post by Legend Lover on Mar 10, 2018 4:18:13 GMT -5
I agree with David too...doesn't really matter how the flavour gets there, as long as I like it and it won't kill me (instantly), then I'm happy.
But fish and chips topping....now there's a treat.
|
|
|
|
Post by headrott on Mar 10, 2018 5:28:38 GMT -5
Looks like some would prefer that Sutliff should be called "suckliff". I love Sutliff tobaccos and absolutely love their "spray on Latakia".  |
|
|
|
Post by Baboo on Mar 10, 2018 8:37:35 GMT -5
I will admit that learning of spray-on flavorings in lieu of the real deal irks me somewhat. Even in the case of some 1990's Bell's Three Nuns productions wherein they applied a Perique sauce to supplement a smaller Perique leaf percentage. I think from now on I'm only smoking crapgame home-made Daniel Boone blends, which are world class au' naturale... For me, spray-on faux flavorings are not a far leap from vaping liquids flavored like tobacco... All that said, I admit to enjoying many aros cased and topped, so I guess that makes me a conflicted hypocrit... damn - sometimes I just can't live peaceably with myself :-) :-( |
|
|
|
Post by That Falls Guy on Mar 10, 2018 9:04:14 GMT -5
Mixture 79 for Everyone!!! 
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Location:
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 12:08:51 GMT -5
I will admit that learning of spray-on flavorings in lieu of the real deal irks me somewhat. Even in the case of some 1990's Bell's Three Nuns productions wherein they applied a Perique sauce to supplement a smaller Perique leaf percentage. I think from now on I'm only smoking crapgame home-made Daniel Boone blends, which are world class au' naturale... For me, spray-on faux flavorings are not a far leap from vaping liquids flavored like tobacco... All that said, I admit to enjoying many aros cased and topped, so I guess that makes me a conflicted hypocrit... damn - sometimes I just can't live peaceably with myself :-) :-( Baboo, you can never go wrong with a crapgame blend. My crapgame vanilla actually took on a stronger tone than the tobaccos I put in it, but after six months it is as mellow as a cello |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Location:
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 12:10:44 GMT -5
Mixture 79 for Everyone!!! Faith and Begorah! If M79 was the only tobacco on an island with you, you would be extolling its virtues, young man. And when you were rescued you would smoke one bowl of Penzance and go back to your comfort level with 79. |
|
|
|
Post by slowroll on Mar 10, 2018 13:01:11 GMT -5
Speaking of Sutliff bashers, I wonder how many of them extol H&H blends, many of which, if not all, are made by Sutliff? And Russ O. Blends some fine latakia mixes. If that stuff has spray-on latakia, keep using it! Here's hoping Sutliff does some Grand Orientals matches  |
|
|
|
Post by That Falls Guy on Mar 10, 2018 13:30:36 GMT -5
Mixture 79 for Everyone!!! Faith and Begorah! If M79 was the only tobacco on an island with you, you would be extolling its virtues, young man. And when you were rescued you would smoke one bowl of Penzance and go back to your comfort level with 79.  I'd stick with the Penzance David. Faith and Begorah could have the M79. |
|
|
|
Post by cigrmaster on Mar 10, 2018 14:10:12 GMT -5
I am curious as to why people would bash Sutliff? Is there some issues with the quality of their tobacco? Where does this bashing take place as I have not seen it on the pipe sites I visit. Is it some kind of new social media thing? I smoke one of their blends and find it pretty tasty(Molto Dolce).
|
|
|
|
Post by JimInks on Mar 10, 2018 14:12:55 GMT -5
In 2014, I made my first visit to the Sutliff plant, and on that day, they were processing latakia for their blends. Their blender, Carl McAllister (since retired) and John Schone (former employee) gave me a tour of the plant and showed me how the latakia was processed. None of the tobacco was sprayed or I would have seen it. I just got off the phone with John, told him about this conversation, and he said Dion Powell was wrong. He told Dion that there was a possibility of a latakia shortage some years before their conversation, and there was discussions on what to do if that happened. But, it never happened. John said Dion either misunderstood what he was saying or misremembered about the latakia. There isn't and hasn't ever been a "latakia spray". So, let's put that garbage to rest.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Location:
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 14:14:15 GMT -5
Sutliff is the next favorite target of tobacco snobs after Lane.
|
|
|
|
Post by JimInks on Mar 10, 2018 14:16:22 GMT -5
Speaking of Sutliff bashers, I wonder how many of them extol H&H blends, many of which, if not all, are made by Sutliff? And Russ O. Blends some fine latakia mixes. If that stuff has spray-on latakia, keep using it! Here's hoping Sutliff does some Grand Orientals matches See my earlier response, buddy. No "latakia spray" exists. I have seen people bash Sutliff while they were unknowingly smoking Sutliff produced products, and I'd call them on it. If you think Sutliff uses inferior leaf, then you can't smoke many American blends. And, btw, some foreign tobacco companies use Sutliff leaf in their products, too. Maybe the haters should fill a pipe with Red Man, and have at it!  |
|
|
|
Post by JimInks on Mar 10, 2018 14:18:15 GMT -5
I am curious as to why people would bash Sutliff? Is there some issues with the quality of their tobacco? Where does this bashing take place as I have not seen it on the pipe sites I visit. Is it some kind of new social media thing? I smoke one of their blends and find it pretty tasty(Molto Dolce). Chic mob mentality by uninformed idiots who mistaken believe growing a beard, wearing a hat, and wearing rumpled shirts as they smoke a pipe makes them an Einstein. |
|
|
|
Post by Baboo on Mar 10, 2018 14:21:37 GMT -5
Speaking of Sutliff bashers, I wonder how many of them extol H&H blends, many of which, if not all, are made by Sutliff? And Russ O. Blends some fine latakia mixes. If that stuff has spray-on latakia, keep using it! Here's hoping Sutliff does some Grand Orientals matches See my earlier response, buddy. No "latakia spray" exists. I have seen people bash Sutliff while they were unknowingly smoking Sutliff produced products, and I'd call them on it. If you think Sutliff uses inferior leaf, then you can't smoke many American blends. And, btw, some foreign tobacco companies use Sutliff leaf in their products, too. Maybe the haters should fill a pipe with Red Man, and have at it! Hallelujah Amen!!! |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Location:
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 14:38:41 GMT -5
I'm with Baboo on this one - if such a thing did exist, I would not want to smoke it even if it did taste good. Thanks, Jim for setting the record straight. cigrmaster, I've wondered the same. I think it's because of a bias against "goopers" - a genre Sutliff excels in, IMHO. Funny how some people who don't smoke aromatics or Latakia blends like to bash those who do. I don't recall seeing VaPer or straight VA smokers getting such sustained ribbing. |
|
sablebrush52
Full Member
Posts: 903
Favorite Pipe: Barling
Favorite Tobacco: whatever is in it
Location:
|
Post by sablebrush52 on Mar 10, 2018 15:27:58 GMT -5
Sutliff has carved out a niche for blends that it releases under its own name and people choose to characterize Sutliff based solely on those blends, ignoring the fact that Sutliff supplies tobaccos and blends for a number of other labels, many of them highly extolled by pipe smokers.
|
|
|
|
Post by cigrmaster on Mar 10, 2018 16:13:26 GMT -5
I wonder if the people who think they are superior because they smoke certain blends and not others are of a younger demographic. The people I know could care less what someone else enjoys. I mean seriously, pipe tobacco is pipe tobacco no matter what genre it happens to be.
|
|
|
|
Post by Legend Lover on Mar 10, 2018 18:45:04 GMT -5
I wonder if the people who think they are superior because they smoke certain blends and not others are of a younger demographic. The people I know could care less what someone else enjoys. I mean seriously, pipe tobacco is pipe tobacco no matter what genre it happens to be. I wonder the same thing... That, or they are the next generation of hobbyists. |
|
|
|
Post by puffy on Mar 10, 2018 19:11:07 GMT -5
Just my opinion...Pipe smoking forums in most part are geared toward discussion of brands of pipes and the tobacco blends that are smoked in them.In reality I've met several hundred pipes smokers over the years.Almost none of them mentioned what they were smoking in what pipe unless I asked them..Most of them talk about every thing but pipe smoking..For example I recently met a pipe smoker.I could tell that his pipe was a Peterson.I asked him what he was smoking.It was a Lane blend.He didn't want to talk about that though.All he wanted to talk about a car that he was restoring.I love pipe smoking forums especially this one but in a way they are a bit out of reality...As I said before that's just my opinion.
|
|
I'd stick with the Penzance David. Faith and Begorah could have the M79. 
