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Mar 18, 2018 23:25:40 GMT -5
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Post by tedvig on Mar 18, 2018 23:25:40 GMT -5
Ok, I have a half pound of Esoterica Woodbridge split into smaller jars. The darker pieces have developed what looks more like plume butt there's condensation on the jars. The white flecks are only on the dark pieces of tobacco and have a glittery appearance under light. There's no funky smell. What say the experts here?
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Post by Dramatwist on Mar 18, 2018 23:49:32 GMT -5
Ok, I have a half pound of Esoterica Woodbridge split into smaller jars. The darker pieces have developed what looks more like plume butt there's condensation on the jars. The white flecks are only on the dark pieces of tobacco and have a glittery appearance under light. There's no funky smell. What say the experts here? ...difficult to call without a visual...
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Post by herbinedave on Mar 19, 2018 0:02:55 GMT -5
Pics please.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 0:54:36 GMT -5
+1 on pics. I've never had Wood bridge but Blackpool seem always has white stuff on it. I was worried it was mold, according to the interwebs people it's the topping they use. I guess it turns white over time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 1:00:17 GMT -5
+1 on pics. I've never had Wood bridge but Blackpool seem always has white stuff on it. I was worried it was mold, according to the interwebs people it's the topping they use. I guess it turns white over time. For what it's worth, I've heard the same exact thing about a few of the Esoterica blends...although I have never experienced it. As the others have mentioned, pictures would great.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 1:47:50 GMT -5
If it's tiny white beads, what I have read is it is blooming from the tobacco and some prefer smoking it. I had one jar come up with clumped tobacco the size of ping pong balls and I could see the mold over it. Mold will spread out not clump, unless it causes, as I said, the tobacco to clump. Mold has more colors than white, depending on type. Tiny Beads I would not worry about
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Post by Dramatwist on Mar 19, 2018 2:05:28 GMT -5
I have noticed some whitish *mottling* on my Esoterica tobaccos that are aging in Mason jars, but I have seen it in new tins as well. Sans .jpgs, I would guess you have nothing to worry about.
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Post by tedvig on Mar 19, 2018 5:54:43 GMT -5
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Post by mwps70 on Mar 19, 2018 7:25:08 GMT -5
I have had plume on both my Penzance and Stonehaven but even after a handful of years never as much as shown in your pictures. I always check with a light to make sure it is crystals which is sounds like you did. But honestly, in my opinion, those pictures are a little alarming. Hopefully someone has had this same experience and can give you a little more advice.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Mar 19, 2018 12:32:02 GMT -5
Those pictures ARE alarming. When you wrote glittery and no smell, I thought "probably plume/bloom". But looking at these images makes me think cobwebs and Santa's beard, and that's mold. Do you know anyone who can analyze a sample for you?
Tobacco mold is really toxic to humans, though more so to humans too stupid to throw out moldy tobacco.
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Post by papipeguy on Mar 19, 2018 15:14:47 GMT -5
I'm with Jesse. Don't smoke it. Below is a picture of mold that developed in my tin of GLP Temple Bar from the infamous summer of 2017 debacle.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 15:51:55 GMT -5
as with food . . . if in doubt, toss it out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 15:59:23 GMT -5
John, bot pictures (yours and ted's) seem to spread the same. Yours is obvious. It spreads over an area like a mist. Ted's still looks like dried out sugar you might find on some fruit that got dehydrated. Still, I wouldn't take a chance unless you know someone with agar plates to see if it continues to grow
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Post by PhantomWolf on Mar 19, 2018 16:31:45 GMT -5
That is terrifying! Sorry about the loss of all that premium smoke, brother.. papipeguy The 'Summer of 2017' comment... should I be scared? As a new pipesmoker, my entire cellar is 2016-2017! Also.. I read a great, but disheartening article someone shared from a cigar site in which they tested many cigars at a university and in every instance it was mold. They actually claimed the sugar bloom thing was a myth.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 16:37:11 GMT -5
That is terrifying! Sorry about the loss of all that premium smoke, brother.. papipeguy The 'Summer of 2017' comment... should I be scared? As a new pipesmoker, my entire cellar is 2016-2017! Also.. I read a great, but disheartening article someone shared from a cigar site in which they tested many cigars at a university and in every instance it was mold. They actually claimed the sugar bloom thing was a myth. Here is what I got from Lil' Brown Smoke Shack. I had seen similar comments with pictures. This is about cigars, but I feel it applies. Note the difference in color between Ted's and John's Q. Do my cigars have mold on them? A. If the cigar has a white/yellowish color on it, then the cigar has bloom not mold. Bloom occurs because of the natural aging process of cigars.The cigar received too much humidity at one point in its life and the bloom is the result. It is not necessarily a bad thing to have bloom on a cigar. Some smokers prefer the bloom, believing it to give the cigar a richer taste. Mold is considered bluish gray fuzz.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 16:48:55 GMT -5
I am going to be a voice of dissent (who me?). It's clear that papipeguy's sample is mold - you can see the fuzzy, wispy stuff that's actually growing above and beyond the tobacco itself. But in the pics tedvig posted the white is more uniform, almost coating the entire strands. Combine that with the fact that white stuff is known to occur on some Eso blends, and I think the jury's still out - especially with blurry pics. I think it could very well be dried sugar-based topping. Blackpool, at least, is very obviously licorice-topped, and is even a little gooey when fresh. When dried it gets a uniform white coating, which disappears when rehydrated. tedvig, When you hold it in the sun does it glisten a little? If so, it's not mold. Here's a good thread with excellent pics of Blackpool: pipesmokersforum.com/community/threads/bloomin-blackpool.59254/And here's one from reddit with a Woodbridge sample (scroll down to comment from user Fuzzy_Totemz): www.reddit.com/r/cigars/comments/6uljgm/hoping_someone_can_tell_me_if_these_are_moldy_or/
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Post by tedvig on Mar 19, 2018 18:18:13 GMT -5
Well, what a conundrum. It definitely glistens in the sun. It doesn't look like spider webs or soft like cotton candy mold. It doesn't rub off easily either. I'll try to post better pics.
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Post by tedvig on Mar 19, 2018 18:18:56 GMT -5
I'm with Jesse. Don't smoke it. Below is a picture of mold that developed in my tin of GLP Temple Bar from the infamous summer of 2017 debacle. Yikes! Nothing like that!
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Post by tedvig on Mar 19, 2018 19:10:31 GMT -5
I am going to be a voice of dissent (who me?). It's clear that papipeguy's sample is mold - you can see the fuzzy, wispy stuff that's actually growing above and beyond the tobacco itself. But in the pics tedvig posted the white is more uniform, almost coating the entire strands. Combine that with the fact that white stuff is known to occur on some Eso blends, and I think the jury's still out - especially with blurry pics. I think it could very well be dried sugar-based topping. Blackpool, at least, is very obviously licorice-topped, and is even a little gooey when fresh. When dried it gets a uniform white coating, which disappears when rehydrated. tedvig, When you hold it in the sun does it glisten a little? If so, it's not mold. Here's a good thread with excellent pics of Blackpool: pipesmokersforum.com/community/threads/bloomin-blackpool.59254/And here's one from reddit with a Woodbridge sample (scroll down to comment from user Fuzzy_Totemz): www.reddit.com/r/cigars/comments/6uljgm/hoping_someone_can_tell_me_if_these_are_moldy_or/Those pictures are spot on. Looks like plume. I pulled all of it out and am airing it a bit. Then transplanting to larger jars with some extra room for air. I also checked my stonehaven. Like black sparkley flakes. Both blends have been aging for several years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 19:46:58 GMT -5
I sent a sample of Blackpool to a scientist member over at PSF, and he was going to analyze with a scanning electron microscope or some such gizmo. But alas, he never did (at least to my knowledge).
I think there's a difference between plume and the stuff on Blackpool. I've never seen plume cover so uniformly. I'm pretty convinced it dried topping, and since it's sugar based it would also be sparkly and crystalline.
Smoking some now, BTW, and it's all sweet VA licorice goodness. Not a trace of must or mold.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 19:52:35 GMT -5
I sent a sample of Blackpool to a scientist member over at PSF, and he was going to analyze with a scanning electron microscope or some such gizmo. But alas, he never did (at least to my knowledge). I think there's a difference between plume and the stuff on Blackpool. I've never seen plume cover so uniformly. I'm pretty convinced it dried topping, and since it's sugar based it would also be sparkly and crystalline. Smoking some now, BTW, and it's all sweet VA licorice goodness. Not a trace of must or mold. HOLD ON!! Stay awake. Drink lots of water! I sent for an EMT. Should be there momentarily. In the future, I suggest sending me any suspect tobaccos. I will go over them bowl by bowl and let you know the results
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Post by johnlawitzke on Mar 21, 2018 12:43:05 GMT -5
I say heavy plume. Looking at the flake on the right zoomed on my 24" monitor, it clearly follows the grain of the leaf in the flake. That's a sign of plume. Mold spreads willy nilly and doesn't follow the grain of the leaf. Try smoking some of it. If your hair falls out after smoking it, I was wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 12:57:22 GMT -5
I'm with Jesse. Don't smoke it. Below is a picture of mold that developed in my tin of GLP Temple Bar from the infamous summer of 2017 debacle. Thanks for sharing this picture. I wasn't aware of mold issues with GLP tins from 2017. Which blends in the lineup were prone to mold outbreaks? I have more than a few Stonehenge Flake tins from mid 2017, all unopened.
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Post by tedvig on Mar 21, 2018 15:59:01 GMT -5
I say heavy plume. Looking at the flake on the right zoomed on my 24" monitor, it clearly follows the grain of the leaf in the flake. That's a sign of plume. Mold spreads willy nilly and doesn't follow the grain of the leaf. Try smoking some of it. If your hair falls out after smoking it, I was wrong. The other thing I noticed is that I took a little to dry out in the microwave and the plume melted. I have to think that oils and sugar crystals might do that whereas mold would not. I could be wrong. Hopefully, this won't have an adverse affect on my hairline.
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Post by mwps70 on Mar 21, 2018 22:25:06 GMT -5
Did you try a bowl then? How did out taste of so?
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Post by PhantomWolf on Mar 21, 2018 22:42:44 GMT -5
I think I am going to buy a cheap microscope and a book or two on mycology. Not only seems prudent with all I have invested, but fun.
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Post by Darin on Mar 21, 2018 22:47:50 GMT -5
I think I am going to buy a cheap microscope and a book or two on mycology. Not only seems prudent with all I have invested, but fun. You'll be a fungi to talk to at parties as well! Lol We just priced a new Nikon microscope at work ... $12-15,000. Youch!
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Post by PhantomWolf on Mar 21, 2018 22:57:23 GMT -5
I think I am going to buy a cheap microscope and a book or two on mycology. Not only seems prudent with all I have invested, but fun. You'll be a fungi to talk to at parties as well! Lol We just priced a new Nikon microscope at work ... $12-15,000. Youch! Hahaha I'm gonna call you Double Entendre The Giant. 12k is a little more than I'm willing to spend. The one I buy will probably have pictures of children on the box. haha There are a lot of cheap-os on Amazon that look more than adequate. This actually looks like a must have. link
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Post by JimInks on Mar 21, 2018 23:55:03 GMT -5
Ted, I've been smoking 2007 Stonehaven that looks similar to what you're dealing with. You have plume, not mold.
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Post by gav on Mar 22, 2018 11:35:47 GMT -5
That is mold/fungus. Can be dangerous if inhaled. Plume under magnification looks like crystals. Mold looks like spiderwebs or strands with little bulbs on the end.
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