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Post by toshtego on May 1, 2018 9:55:53 GMT -5
Jack Daniels and George Dickel are sweeter due to being Tennessee Whiskies. I forgot (shame on me) what the reason is. Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey is as smooth as can be due to the Lime Water, used in the distilling process and the watering down part. Jack Daniels has apparently never bothered to be certified bourbon, which, if I had their sales, I wouldn't bother either. There were nights I could do a Bluto from Animal House on a bottle of Jack, but still prefer KSBW. Ronv69 It has to be the cinnamon and clove that give Southern Comfort that sting, which is why I would go in spells were I loved it and spells where it seemed too hot. You cannot put Jack Daniels and Dickel whiskies in the same sentence. Jack Daniels is terrible with good PR. How in the world could you not succeed with Jim Morrison carrying your product onto stage. Or Ronnie Van Zant and Allen Collins partying with a monkey with Jack Daniels. Not withstanding Lynyrd Skynyrds label that looked like old number 7. Kid Rock holding their product aloft on stage, Molly Hatchett, Bob Segar hard to fail with that kind of advertising. Sorry for the rant, but their are way better bourbons made in the US that cost the same or close to number 7. Again, if you like it, drink it. SoCo is way to sweet, I have no idea what it is, did cause copious amounts of vomit in my youth.  Agreed that JD is not much. When they reduced the proof from 90 to 80 something else was lost. George Dickel Number 12 is much better to my taste. Jack Daniels Rye is very good. I believe it is produced in Tennessee. |
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Post by Ronv69 on May 1, 2018 10:02:53 GMT -5
Jack Daniels and George Dickel are sweeter due to being Tennessee Whiskies. I forgot (shame on me) what the reason is. Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey is as smooth as can be due to the Lime Water, used in the distilling process and the watering down part. Jack Daniels has apparently never bothered to be certified bourbon, which, if I had their sales, I wouldn't bother either. There were nights I could do a Bluto from Animal House on a bottle of Jack, but still prefer KSBW. Ronv69 It has to be the cinnamon and clove that give Southern Comfort that sting, which is why I would go in spells were I loved it and spells where it seemed too hot. You cannot put Jack Daniels and Dickel whiskies in the same sentence. Jack Daniels is terrible with good PR. How in the world could you not succeed with Jim Morrison carrying your product onto stage. Or Ronnie Van Zant and Allen Collins partying with a monkey with Jack Daniels. Not withstanding Lynyrd Skynyrds label that looked like old number 7. Kid Rock holding their product aloft on stage, Molly Hatchett, Bob Segar hard to fail with that kind of advertising. Sorry for the rant, but their are way better bourbons made in the US that cost the same or close to number 7. Again, if you like it, drink it. SoCo is way to sweet, I have no idea what it is, did cause copious amounts of vomit in my youth. I don't think Jack Daniels is a bad whiskey, but there are at least two Tennessee bourbons that taste the same at half the price. Their marketing is out of the world. My problem comes with their close advertising relationship with Harley Davidson and the Harley Lifestyle. Alcohol and motorcycles don't mix, a do-rag won't protect your head, and loud pipes just piss people off and make them hate all motorcyclists. This is a particularly circular reasoning of mine. Other distillers don't associate their products with driving, and other motorcycle manufacturers don't advertise a drinking lifestyle. I have imbibed my fair share of JD, and I won't do it again. |
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Post by Ronv69 on May 1, 2018 10:06:59 GMT -5
It reminds me of a what one of my instructors said in the 1976 about marketing and branding. He said before 1970, Wild Turkey was considered rot gut whiskey then the company pumped millions of dollars into advertising and within a year Wild Turkey became a premium whiskey. Didn't change the recipe, just the branding and marketing. My BIL was drinking it in the 50's and considered it premium whiskey. I liked it when I was a teen, but I really haven't had it since, so I am unqualified to say. The whiskey rating sites give it a slightly above average to excellent ratings, depending on the particular one of their several products. |
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Post by toshtego on May 1, 2018 10:52:52 GMT -5
My BIL was drinking it in the 50's and considered it premium whiskey. I liked it when I was a teen, but I really haven't had it since, so I am unqualified to say. The whiskey rating sites give it a slightly above average to excellent ratings, depending on the particular one of their several products. I started Whiskey drinking in 1970 and Wild Turkey was a top shelf brand. I was into Old Quaker Rye and Old Crow back then. I cannot imagine Wild Turkey ever being "rot gut". That appellation was reserved for old "Stab 'n Kill", eh, Cabin Still. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 11:21:55 GMT -5
My BIL was drinking it in the 50's and considered it premium whiskey. I liked it when I was a teen, but I really haven't had it since, so I am unqualified to say. The whiskey rating sites give it a slightly above average to excellent ratings, depending on the particular one of their several products. I've never bought a bottle or ordered it in a bar unless the bottle was a gift for a fan of it and the drink at the bar was for someone else. At parties I drank my share of passed around bottles. One night I downed the last half of a bottle offered by a singer in my step-brothers band. I woke up in my Gremlin on a parking lot in Illinois. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 11:23:35 GMT -5
Everything in this picture is head and shoulders above Old Number 7 and SoCo. In my "humble" opinion. Some nice Heaven Hill product among your bottles |
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Post by daveincollamer on May 1, 2018 11:30:44 GMT -5
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Post by gav on May 1, 2018 11:34:24 GMT -5
Jack is also way too sweet. Most people even drink it with Coke or worse Pepsi.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 11:59:40 GMT -5
A lot of people thought JD Old 7 meant 7 years old. Any bourbon less that 86 proof goes into mixed drinks IMO. Something about 86 proof is the minimum (and not a bad one) to get the true flavor of the whiskey.
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Post by Legend Lover on May 1, 2018 12:41:03 GMT -5
I'm learning a lot from this thread!!
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Post by toshtego on May 1, 2018 14:26:52 GMT -5
A lot of people thought JD Old 7 meant 7 years old. Any bourbon less that 86 proof goes into mixed drinks IMO. Something about 86 proof is the minimum (and not a bad one) to get the true flavor of the whiskey. My deceased former neighbor, Chico Casillas, was the last of the old Vermejo Ranch cowboys from their glory days. Chico came home from the Pacific Theater of WWII with only one eye. It was at that time he insisted all whiskey be 100 proof or nothing at all. He would dispatch one of his nephews, on horseback, to the local trading post. A 15 mile round trip to fetch a bottle. The youngsters would explain their mission to the storekeep, pass over the silver dollars and return ever so careful with that bottle. Woe unto those boys if they returned with anything less! I am with Chico in this except I do my own shopping... and no silver dollars. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 14:44:18 GMT -5
A lot of people thought JD Old 7 meant 7 years old. Any bourbon less that 86 proof goes into mixed drinks IMO. Something about 86 proof is the minimum (and not a bad one) to get the true flavor of the whiskey. My deceased former neighbor, Chico Casillas, was the last of the old Vermejo Ranch cowboys from their glory days. Chico came home from the Pacific Theater of WWII with only one eye. It was at that time he insisted all whiskey be 100 proof or nothing at all. He would dispatch one of his nephews, on horseback, to the local trading post. A 15 mile round trip to fetch a bottle. The youngsters would explain their mission to the storekeep, pass over the silver dollars and return ever so careful with that bottle. Woe unto those boys if they returned with anything less! I am with Chico in this except I do my own shopping... and no silver dollars. Evan Williams 90 is optimal for me. At 7 YO the corn has been breaking down for a year, leaving a smooth, rye flavor. I drank Old Weller 107 proof when I could get it, but really, 90 was fine. At this point in time a drink a month is all I have, so it's either Johnny Walker Double Black, Evan Williams, Heaven Hill (their name on the bottle), or George Dickel. Since Heaven Hill produces Evan Williams, I feel at home with both. I grew up knowing the Prez of HH, Charlie DeSpain, a very unique man... died way too early |
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Post by daveincollamer on May 1, 2018 14:50:05 GMT -5
Just picked up Dickel aged Rye, would highly recommend it to any rye fans out there.
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Post by Ronv69 on May 1, 2018 14:51:36 GMT -5
Bottom line is that I don't believe that there's any "rotgut" whiskey that is labeled bourbon and made in Tennessee. I have had the cheapest and the most expensive, and to tell the truth, the spread isn't that wide. Now if you are into some of the "boutique" bourbons made in South Dakota or Texas or wherever, you are on your own. But the bottom shelf bourbon, as long as it's Tennessee Bourbon, is going to be a good product. It may not be to your tastes, but it is far from rotgut. I have had Scotch, Canadian, and regional "bourbons" that I consider rotgut.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 14:58:19 GMT -5
Bottom line is that I don't believe that there's any "rotgut" whiskey that is labeled bourbon and made in Tennessee. I have had the cheapest and the most expensive, and to tell the truth, the spread isn't that wide. Now if you are into some of the "boutique" bourbons made in South Dakota or Texas or wherever, you are on your own. But the bottom shelf bourbon, as long as it's Tennessee Bourbon, is going to be a good product. It may not be to your tastes, but it is far from rotgut. I have had Scotch, Canadian, and regional "bourbons" that I consider rotgut. 100%, Also, if you see ABW, American Blended Whiskey, stay away. It's mostly grain alcohol and it turns clear after a few months. ABW is often regional, and stuff distributors sell on the cheap to increase volume. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 15:56:29 GMT -5
American Honey personally
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Post by gav on May 1, 2018 21:20:33 GMT -5
I remember when they wanted to lower the proof of Makers Mark to get more bottles out to market there was a near riot. The company saying that it would not change was really disingenuous.
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Post by toshtego on May 2, 2018 3:45:11 GMT -5
Just picked up Dickel aged Rye, would highly recommend it to any rye fans out there. That is a good Rye and I have gone through a few bottles of it over the past couple of years. Ditto Jack Daniels Rye which is hard to find for some reason. Both 90 proof. |
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Post by pappyjoe on May 2, 2018 7:17:09 GMT -5
The late, great Tex Ritter sang it best:
Jack o' Diamonds, Jack o' Diamonds and I know you of old
You've robbed my poor pockets of silver and gold
It's a whiskey, you villain, you've been my downfall
You've kicked me, you've cuffed me, but I love you for all
It's a whiskey, rye whiskey, rye whiskey I cry
If I don't get rye whiskey, well, I think I will die
I'll eat when I'm hungry, I'll drink when I'm dry
If the hard times don't kill me, I'll lay down and die
I'll tune up my fiddle and I 'll rosin my bow
I'll make myself welcome, wherever I go
Rye whiskey, rye whiskey, rye whiskey I cry
If a tree don't fall on me, I'll live till I die
Beefsteak when I'm hungry red liquor when I'm dry
Greenbacks when I'm hard up and religion when I die
They say I drink whiskey, my money's my own
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Post by haebar on May 6, 2018 6:01:23 GMT -5
Jack Daniels and George Dickel are sweeter due to being Tennessee Whiskies. I forgot (shame on me) what the reason is. Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey is as smooth as can be due to the Lime Water, used in the distilling process and the watering down part. Jack Daniels has apparently never bothered to be certified bourbon, which, if I had their sales, I wouldn't bother either. There were nights I could do a Bluto from Animal House on a bottle of Jack, but still prefer KSBW. Ronv69 It has to be the cinnamon and clove that give Southern Comfort that sting, which is why I would go in spells were I loved it and spells where it seemed too hot. It may be due to the way Tennessee Whiskeys (Jack Daniels and George Dickel) go through an additional step of charcoal filtration (Lincoln County Process) before being put in a barrel. |
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Post by haebar on May 6, 2018 6:05:58 GMT -5
I consider Southern Comfort to be a liqueur because of the added sugar content. It is thicker than bourbon and much sweeter. We (my buddies and I) went through a spell of drinking Southern Comfort back in the post High School years. I liked the taste of it, but it did not agree with my stomach. Swore it off after getting sick with it one night.
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Post by nedwrecks on May 7, 2018 4:11:03 GMT -5
Try it in a bar before buying a bottle. I made the mistake of getting a bottle before tasting it. Never drank it, but instead used it to marinate meat. It was just too sweet for me.
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Post by Legend Lover on May 7, 2018 4:17:00 GMT -5
Try it in a bar before buying a bottle. I made the mistake of getting a bottle before tasting it. Never drank it, but instead used it to marinate meat. It was just too sweet for me. Not a bad use for it, if you don't like drinking it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 9:00:52 GMT -5
Southern Comfort has been my only alcoholic drink since the 70’, I think because it was also my Moms favorite. At times I drink it neat, on the rocks and even with a splash of lime. Never gets boring for me!!! Because of health issues now I only enjoy Southern Comfort rarely or on special occasions. I was never a beer drinker or bourbon. Scotch for me has the taste in my mouth after I vomit....my point is everyone’s taste and palate is different, same with tobacco’s 👌👍 Heine is some short history of Southern Comfort: Southern Comfort (often abbreviated SoCo) is an American whiskey-based liqueur flavored with fruit and spice. The brand was originally created by bartender Martin Wilkes Heron in New Orleans in 1874, and originally used whiskey as the base spirit. Since March 1, 2016, the brand has been owned by the Sazerac Company, which purchased it from Brown-Forman. Heron moved to Memphis, Tennessee, in 1889, patented his creation, and began selling it in sealed bottles with the slogan "None Genuine But Mine" and "Two per customer. No Gentleman would ask for more." Southern Comfort won the gold medal at the 1904 World's Fair in St. Louis, Missouri. Below is a picture of the bottle I remember from pre-2010. From the new release of 2016 to it’s present state for me the blend has changed!!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 9:02:09 GMT -5
Southern Comfort has been my only alcoholic drink since the 70’, I think because it was also my Moms favorite. At times I drink it neat, on the rocks and even with a splash of lime. Never gets boring for me!!! Because of health issues now I only enjoy Southern Comfort rarely or on special occasions. I was never a beer drinker or bourbon. Scotch for me has the taste in my mouth after I vomit....my point is everyone’s taste and palate is different, same with tobacco’s 👌👍 Here is some short history of Southern Comfort: Southern Comfort (often abbreviated SoCo) is an American whiskey-based liqueur flavored with fruit and spice. The brand was originally created by bartender Martin Wilkes Heron in New Orleans in 1874, and originally used whiskey as the base spirit. Since March 1, 2016, the brand has been owned by the Sazerac Company, which purchased it from Brown-Forman. Heron moved to Memphis, Tennessee, in 1889, patented his creation, and began selling it in sealed bottles with the slogan "None Genuine But Mine" and "Two per customer. No Gentleman would ask for more." Southern Comfort won the gold medal at the 1904 World's Fair in St. Louis, Missouri. Below is a picture of the bottle I remember from pre-2010. From the new release of 2016 to it’s present state for me the blend has changed!!! |
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Jul 8, 2018 11:13:07 GMT -5
Anyone like southern comfort? It would my go-to spirit. I'm not quite sure what it is though. An article on southern comfort calls it whiskey-based. Looking online, apparently scotch is whiskey made in Scotland, but bourbon is whiskey made in USA. So I'm assuming it's some kind of bourbon... Whatever it is, I like it. SC is a liqueur - they mix grape spirits with whiskey and other alcohols to create this monster. There's also something very sweet in the mix - and that is what I do not like. I hate sweet liqueurs. Its nothing like bourbon. If you want a good bourbon on a budget, go and pick yourself up some Jim Beam. SC is in the same vein as Jeremiah Weed. But it lacks the cool history of JW: fightersweep.com/1233/fighter-pilot-traditions-jeremiah-weed/My favourite whisky has to be either Paddy or John Powers. They're both delicious. |
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Jul 8, 2018 11:15:17 GMT -5
Try it in a bar before buying a bottle. I made the mistake of getting a bottle before tasting it. Never drank it, but instead used it to marinate meat. It was just too sweet for me. Thats the problem - in the American South they like everything sweeter than hell! I think thats why so many American aromatics are far too sweet! I love the South, but enough of the sugar already! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 11:19:13 GMT -5
Too sweet for me, but I could probably enjoy it 50/50 with a decent Bourbon. I enjoy mixing Drambuie with an Islay Scotch in that manner.
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Post by Florida on Jul 8, 2018 13:11:10 GMT -5
You cannot put Jack Daniels and Dickel whiskies in the same sentence. Jack Daniels is terrible with good PR. How in the world could you not succeed with Jim Morrison carrying your product onto stage. Or Ronnie Van Zant and Allen Collins partying with a monkey with Jack Daniels. Not withstanding Lynyrd Skynyrds label that looked like old number 7. Kid Rock holding their product aloft on stage, Molly Hatchett, Bob Segar hard to fail with that kind of advertising. Sorry for the rant, but their are way better bourbons made in the US that cost the same or close to number 7. Again, if you like it, drink it. SoCo is way to sweet, I have no idea what it is, did cause copious amounts of vomit in my youth. I don't think Jack Daniels is a bad whiskey, but there are at least two Tennessee bourbons that taste the same at half the price. Their marketing is out of the world. My problem comes with their close advertising relationship with Harley Davidson and the Harley Lifestyle. Alcohol and motorcycles don't mix, a do-rag won't protect your head, and loud pipes just piss people off and make them hate all motorcyclists. This is a particularly circular reasoning of mine. Other distillers don't associate their products with driving, and other motorcycle manufacturers don't advertise a drinking lifestyle. I have imbibed my fair share of JD, and I won't do it again. "Loud pipes" may "piss people off" which really doesn't matter to the rider but "loud pipes" do save riders lives and I can attest to that on many, many occasions. And no one is supporting riding and drinking and if we so choose to drink, we don't ride. To each their own, I guess 👍😎 |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Jul 8, 2018 13:40:55 GMT -5
Can't drink any alcohol anymore with the meds I take. Mosquito bit me the other day and fell over dead. True story, got bit by a neighbors' pit bull and he ran away with a smile on his face...actually staggered away.
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