Dunhill

Oh yeah I plan on doing that, totally

Though the same tobacco's are used in both versions, the tinning process is the difference. Plus I've been told the tins sit on the shelf for a few months before being shipped. So your getting "aged" 'baccy in the tin vs "fresh" in the bulk. 

Especially because they're keeping their cigarettes!  Makes no sense.  Maybe they need a huge "loss" for tax purposes.  

True - but when they say they don't want their name associated with tobacco then keep selling cigs, it's just kind of weird....  

The offers were made to BAT, not Dunhill.  BAT owns the rights to the tobacco side of the business.  Very simply put, the money they left behind was minimal.  According to BAT, Dunhill pipe tobaccos were not big sellers and therefore not much of a revenue stream, unlike the cigarettes.  BAT is dumping what it considers is a loser line of products.


Makes perfect business sense.  The pipes tobaccos are mediocre sellers and cost more to make.  The cigarettes sell very well and make money for BAT.

Thanks for the added info, but while dropping the pipe tobacco may make sense if profits were minimal, rejecting the offer from STG makes no business sense. There has to be more to it than that.

Thanks, Michael. This seems to tie together all the reports/rumors I've heard on this subject.

Thanks, Dave. If that in fact happens, then "the king is dead, long live the king".

Dunhill cigarettes are considered among their luxury goods and are separate from their pipe tobacco division. That's why they still make them. Their pipe tobaccos are 'Donehill'.

It beats me...all of it. There's clearly a demand for their tobacco. Granted, the number of pipe smokers is not like it once was, but I think it's slowly on the rise - and with the amount of hype about McClelland and Dunhill you'd think they'd keep operations up.

They must be losing money somehow otherwise it's a crazy business decision.

I never knew any pipe smokers. However, when I went back to uni 4 years ago, I met at least 15 people in my course who smoke pipes.

But I agree, there aren't many around these days. I saw one last week in Sligo, but that was the first I saw since around Feb when I actually saw 2 in the one day. 

Oh I know there are still plenty of pipe smokers, the better tobacco blends still fly off the shelves. It’s the mid to older generation buying online and putting many B&M’s out of business. I know of one that had an outstanding lounge and a walk in humidor, he closed his doors because there was no way he was able too compete at the prices the online retailers sold their tobacco’s and cigars for. I live in NC, grows a lot of tobacco and at times I watch the local farmers/workers, not one even has a cheap MM working pipe hanging from his mouth. I’m living here just over 4 ( blissful ) years and I’ve yet to see any pipe smoker in their 20’s enjoying a pipe.

Here's where I am with this stuff. The watch Hyland match is not good. Worse that sutliffs. Dry. Tobacco ppoor quality. Bitter. Not cut well. No depth or cpmplexity. I must have been drunk earlier. Avoid this stuff at all costs. I asked to exchange and I was ignored by the company. I am replacing my nightcap habit with GL Pease's Gaslight.

I don’t understand??? So, you don’t care for Sutliff ERR Match?

This is the nut of what makes no sense to me. Dunhill may have competition, but considering how many times things run out at SP and P&C there is a demand and a reputation of being a quality tobacco. Dunhill Nightcap and a couple others seem to set the standard that we base our comparisons to others on.

Also, if they are continuing with pipes and cigs then having their tobacco tins showing here and there is advertising as well. If not, then Legend Lover last statement comes into play. They would have to be losing enough money that none of the above will work.

And then there's another aspect. Here's where I go off the rails for a minute (again): The last company I worked for was a moneymaker. Printing. Pillsbury bought out Pet Milk inc, who owned us, loved us, and hid us from their stock reports to use our profits to boost the income of the overall division. When Pillsbury bought them, they looked at us, said we don't care about your profit margin. Then they sold us. And I doubt they made much profit on it. We just didn't fit into their vertical chart, which I can't seem to remember how that worked.
IOW, it may be the whacked out idea someone at Dunhill had and is forcing it on others on the board.