|
Post by unknownpipesmoker on Aug 19, 2018 2:16:40 GMT -5
As I sit here enjoying a bowl of Mac Baren's Syrian Latakia (probably the last available Syrian blend on the mass market..), something crossed my mind.
As we all know, the Syrian Civil War caused Syrian Latakia to go bust. I've heard from several sources that most of Syria's latakia farmers were Christians.
Obviously, many of them were driven out by fundamentalists when they took a grip of large swathes of the country a few years ago. As brutal of a man as he may be, Bashar Al-Assad, who is seen as the vanguard protect of Syria's Christian community, has retaken control of an upwards of 99% of the country, however over 50% of Syria's economy has been destroyed by the war.
Has anyone heard anything through the grapevine? Are any of these fellows returning to their farms, now that the war is winding down? I'd hate for Syrian Latakia to go extinct. I do love my Cyprian but Syrian has a certain complexity in its flavour that Latakia from other places simply does not have.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Location:
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 5:04:19 GMT -5
After the chemicals including sarin gas that was used by the Syrian government during the many years of “ ethnic cleansing “ I wouldn’t smoke any type of tobacco grown from the soil in Syria!! Also for personal reasons as well.
|
|
|
Post by haebar on Aug 19, 2018 6:16:36 GMT -5
A good question and two questions in response - do you think political stability will return to Syria? Will the skill and knowledge needed to produce traditional Syrian latakia still be present?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Location:
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 6:42:54 GMT -5
My information is that the trees used to produce it had to be protected by their government when they still had one. With both gone now it would take a generation and Herculean restoration effort to revive production at past levels. That having been stated, it'll always be in great abundance at my shack.
|
|
jitterbugdude
Junior Member
Posts: 229
First Name: Randy
Location:
|
Post by jitterbugdude on Aug 19, 2018 11:38:34 GMT -5
The Syrian war has nothing to do with the demise of Syrian Latakia. If you believe the constant cut-n-paste jobs from the internet you would be led to believe the supply dried up from a ban on using the wood for making it. Do you really think a 3rd world country would be so concerned about their environment that they would ban the harvesting of wood? If you look into tobacco export/import documents you will see the demand from major tobacco companies dried up in about the 70's. Once that happened the farmers had to find other ways to make a living. Now the experts are all gone. I don't think they could start making it again even if they wanted to.
|
|
|
Post by unknownpipesmoker on Aug 19, 2018 11:43:35 GMT -5
The Syrian war has nothing to do with the demise of Syrian Latakia. If you believe the constant cut-n-paste jobs from the internet you would be led to believe the supply dried up from a ban on using the wood for making it. Do you really think a 3rd world country would be so concerned about their environment that they would ban the harvesting of wood? If you look into tobacco export/import documents you will see the demand from major tobacco companies dried up in about the 70's. Once that happened the farmers had to find other ways to make a living. Now the experts are all gone. I don't think they could start making it again even if they wanted to. Well the demand for many pipe tobaccos dried up in the 70s. But dunhill and mclelland and others used Syrian in their blends right up into the 2010s. Was this syrian vintage? It had to have been produced somewhere. We almost lost Acadian perique in america but native American spirit cigarettes made a perique cigarette and the single farm left growing perique is now doing quite well. Something similar could have been going on in Syria.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Location:
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 11:48:32 GMT -5
This is the first time I've heard a religious component being used to explain the extinction of Syrian Latakia, or about the market drying up in the 70s. I'd be interested to so see some reliable sources on these claims. I also don't think "3rd world countries" by definition do not care about their environment. This is the best article I've seen: dutchpipesmoker.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/syrian-latakia/
|
|
|
Post by Legend Lover on Aug 19, 2018 11:49:16 GMT -5
The Syrian war has nothing to do with the demise of Syrian Latakia. If you believe the constant cut-n-paste jobs from the internet you would be led to believe the supply dried up from a ban on using the wood for making it. Do you really think a 3rd world country would be so concerned about their environment that they would ban the harvesting of wood? If you look into tobacco export/import documents you will see the demand from major tobacco companies dried up in about the 70's. Once that happened the farmers had to find other ways to make a living. Now the experts are all gone. I don't think they could start making it again even if they wanted to. Well the demand for many pipe tobaccos dried up in the 70s. But dunhill and mclelland and others used Syrian in their blends right up into the 2010s. Was this syrian vintage? It had to have been produced somewhere. We almost lost Acadian perique in america but native American spirit cigarettes made a perique cigarette and the single farm left growing perique is now doing quite well. Something similar could have been going on in Syria. Is there only one farm growing perique? I did not know that.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Location:
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 11:52:47 GMT -5
Apparently some farmers in Turkey (where most "Cyprian" tobacco is allegedly grown) are experimenting with leaf-smoking techniques to try to replicate Syrian Lat. That was a reliable source, though it would take me a while to hunt it down. Some kind of NGO website item, I think.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Location:
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 11:55:22 GMT -5
Do you really think a 3rd world country would be so concerned about their environment that they would ban the harvesting of wood? Wrong question which was never a factor. That's knocking down a straw man. It was about profit and crony capitalism.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Location:
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 11:55:30 GMT -5
The Syrian war has nothing to do with the demise of Syrian Latakia. If you believe the constant cut-n-paste jobs from the internet you would be led to believe the supply dried up from a ban on using the wood for making it. Do you really think a 3rd world country would be so concerned about their environment that they would ban the harvesting of wood? If you look into tobacco export/import documents you will see the demand from major tobacco companies dried up in about the 70's. Once that happened the farmers had to find other ways to make a living. Now the experts are all gone. I don't think they could start making it again even if they wanted to. Well the demand for many pipe tobaccos dried up in the 70s. But dunhill and mclelland and others used Syrian in their blends right up into the 2010s. Was this syrian vintage? It had to have been produced somewhere. We almost lost Acadian perique in america but native American spirit cigarettes made a perique cigarette and the single farm left growing perique is now doing quite well. Something similar could have been going on in Syria. Supposedly McC and Dunhill had hundreds of pounds of Syrian Latakia from the 70’s in storage.....when it was plentiful. Personally, I believe since the mid 70’s Syrian Latakia has not been grown, who really knows what stockpile of Syrian Latakia really was available here in the States.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Location:
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 12:55:41 GMT -5
Per Jensen of MacBaren has explained what happened with Syrian Latakia. I have heard him interviewed on the subject. Worth looking up if you want all the details.
|
|
|
Post by unknownpipesmoker on Aug 19, 2018 14:33:24 GMT -5
Per Jensen of MacBaren has explained what happened with Syrian Latakia. I have heard him interviewed on the subject. Worth looking up if you want all the details. Yes, thank you, this is the kind of information I was looking for. Do oyu have a link? I cannot find anything on google. I didn't mean for this to be a political/religious thread. As lonecoyote probably knows from doing foreign affairs work, especially in Western Asia and the "mideast", different ethnicities and religious minorities are involved in certain trades of their own, its part of their culture. We see this even in Western culture, I am sure that Legend knows ALL the stories about Irish traveller/pikey craftsman, handymen, and woodworkers. I've heard (but don't know for sure) that many of the Syrians who were involved in growing tobacco were Christian minorities. That is not terribly important, but would explain how it suddenly vanished from blends during the civil war. From my more recent reading, though, it appears that the farming of Syrian Latakia ended for good in the mid-to-late 1990s, and that was when Mac Baren (and McClelland, C&D, GL Pease) bought their last batch. C&D and GL Pease had their wares of Syrian in a storage facility that was laid to waste by fire. Lots of good tobacco lost in that fire, apparently. What a tragedy. This is actually one of the reasons I like this hobby. Its such a tiny nook thesedays that a lot of what we read/hear is simply pipe lore, local legend, gossip, and banter amongt pipe smokers. I figure you can maybe believe 15-20% of what is said to be true, the rest are stories made up by old men. Which I actually find entertaining to some degree.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Location:
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 16:25:43 GMT -5
There was an episode of the Pipes Magazine radio show podcast where Mr. Jensen was interviewed. He got into the details of what had happened with Syrian Latakia. Some of which involved a cessation of production and then a lag because of how much was warehoused and aging. I gather that we will not see any again in most of our lifetimes.
|
|
|
Post by herbinedave on Aug 19, 2018 16:46:12 GMT -5
I imagine we must be grateful for the Cyprian Latakia and the Syrian Blends folks have.
|
|
|
Post by trailboss on Aug 19, 2018 17:51:13 GMT -5
|
|