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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 18, 2018 17:03:07 GMT -5
I've noticed that I'm dumping between a quarter and a third of a bowl of tobacco (dottle) when I smoke in a briar pipe.
When I smoke my cob I pretty much dump only ash. I wonder why I bother smoking a briar pipe.
The reason is I like the look and feel of it. I noticed someone had in their signature something like, 'if cobs looked good we wouldn't need briars.'
Obviously that's not everyone's sentiment, but I can certainly relate to that. My goal is to modify a cob so that it looks like a briar pipe.
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Sept 18, 2018 17:14:23 GMT -5
You could always get yourself an Aristocob   Alternatively, have you tried the "air pocket" method ? I first ran into it in Hanna's book, a compendium of his essays from P&T magazine in the 1990s. It has been hugely helpful to me. I get a dryer smoke with less dottle, and I built the much-vaunted "heel cake" for the first time in my life. Unfortunately the original Hanna essay doesn't seem to be online. There is, however, a summary in a PDF I dug up on google: us.v-cdn.net/6029410/uploads/editor/ch/4vhb0cgqwmyc.pdfWhen you do the air pocket, it will feel surprisingly firm, like it will be impossibly tight. But if you did it right, when you go to draw on it, it will draw like the bowl is empty. |
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Post by michael on Sept 18, 2018 17:24:09 GMT -5
I dump 10-25% of the bowl. A tarry taste builds up. Also dump 2-3 cm of beer because it's warm and I'm thinking there might be spit at the bottom?
Maybe it's just in my head ..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 17:30:49 GMT -5
Stuff less tobacco in your chamber, might help. I rarely need to wasted tobacco on the bottom. Make sure your tobacco’s are not overly moist.
STOP DROOLING INTO YOUR PIPE....lol. Some do, so it’s not that funny!!
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Sept 18, 2018 17:35:57 GMT -5
I agree! I think he has a packing problem and a burn consistency problem
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 17:44:32 GMT -5
I've noticed that I'm dumping between a quarter and a third of a bowl of tobacco (dottle) when I smoke in a briar pipe. When I smoke my cob I pretty much dump only ash. I wonder why I bother smoking a briar pipe. The reason is I like the look and feel of it. I noticed someone had in their signature something like, 'if cobs looked good we wouldn't need briars.' Obviously that's not everyone's sentiment, but I can certainly relate to that. My goal is to modify a cob so that it looks like a briar pipe. Andre, maybe you're afraid of burning the bottom of your briar bowl? Thus mentally, you're leaving between 1/4 and 1/3 of pipe tobacco (maybe)? Just a thought. I know its not a big deal to lightly char the bottom of a cob (cheap and easily replaceable), and thus, you tend to ash the contents of your bowl. I do the same with my briar too. I just don't want to burn the bottom of a fairly decent briar, and as a result, I probably tap out around a 1/4 of the bowl. Not a biggy to me. So... Go have yourself a sausage roll and a cup of tea. You deserve it brother!  |
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Post by Dramatwist on Sept 18, 2018 18:06:40 GMT -5
...I don't worry about a tiny bit of dottle in a briar... in an MM cob, the shank protrudes into the bowl, so you're not getting tobacco all the way down...
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Post by slowroll on Sept 18, 2018 18:08:10 GMT -5
Usually the problem of a wet dottle is tobacco not fully dried, and/or high ambient humidity. Don't worry about burning the bottom of a briar bowl. The low heat of the last bit of tobacco will have no effect whatsoever. Briar is tough, that's why it's used. I've been smoking until every bit of tobac is burned for 50 years. I smoke until it won't light anymore.
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Sept 18, 2018 18:09:11 GMT -5
...I don't worry about a tiny bit of dottle in a briar... in an MM cob, the shank protrudes into the bowl, so you're getting tobacco all the way down... I agree here also, smoke what you wanna smoke and dump the rest if'n ya wanna |
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Post by That Falls Guy on Sept 18, 2018 18:11:13 GMT -5
That's not the fault of the pipe, Paddy!  |
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Post by ben888 on Sept 18, 2018 18:14:01 GMT -5
Well... I purchased few lb of Grand Croupier from SPC. That is my "cannon fodder". I just put some of it at the very bottom.
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 18, 2018 18:25:01 GMT -5
I have pipes that just quit before I get to the bottom, and pipes that give absolutely no warning before I am sucking sparks. I don't like to waste tobacco, but I really don't like fire in my mouth.
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Post by daveinlax on Sept 18, 2018 18:27:45 GMT -5
I try and smoke every bowl to the bottom. Once in awhile I might dump the ash and enjoy what's left. I smoke cigars down to a tiny nub too.  |
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Post by rmb on Sept 18, 2018 18:31:18 GMT -5
I've had issues with this when it's humid out, even dryed tobaccos stubbornly leaving some dottle. I'm curious how it would be for you with a meer too.
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Post by beardedmi on Sept 18, 2018 19:44:12 GMT -5
I agree with packing lighter, I find that when my first pinch of tobacco is too tightly packed the bottom of the bowl won't burn and tastes like crap. I've taken to packing light enough that the draw isn't effected at all, and continue to experiment with lighter packs and have found that lighter packs make for better smokes.
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Post by Dramatwist on Sept 18, 2018 19:47:27 GMT -5
I agree with packing lighter, I find that when my first pinch of tobacco is too tightly packed the bottom of the bowl won't burn and tastes like crap. I've taken to packing light enough that the draw isn't effected at all, and continue to experiment with lighter packs and have found that lighter packs make for better smokes. ...that's been my experience as well... |
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Post by bonanzadriver on Sept 18, 2018 20:11:28 GMT -5
Lighter pack
Drier baccy
Delightful smoke
just my $0.02
As to the whole "Fine White Ash" line of thinkin?
I've noticed that when I try to accomplish this I end up with a mouth full of ashes.... Yuck
I have some dottle almost every time. Perfectly acceptable trade off for not having ashes in my mouth. ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 20:17:31 GMT -5
I seldom smoke the bottom third of a bowl in a briar unless it happens mindlessly. When a bowl is played out to my tastes, I dump it and move on to another, no worries.
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Post by crapgame on Sept 18, 2018 20:18:25 GMT -5
i dump the last1/4 -1/3 out.. nothing worse than lighting a pipe and sucking in burnt ash..
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Post by bonanzadriver on Sept 18, 2018 20:21:42 GMT -5
not to mention the fact that we're only talkin about a penny or two worth of tobacco anyway.
Tempest in a teapot....
(just sayin) ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 20:23:55 GMT -5
You might just be smoking to fast causing a lot of moisture in the pipe, while cobs soak up more moisture and thus are more forgiving.
I say slow it down and or dry your tobacco more.
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Post by LSUTigersFan on Sept 18, 2018 20:46:18 GMT -5
I agree! I think he has a packing problem and a burn consistency problem Same here. Practice makes perfect...still practicing |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Sept 18, 2018 20:48:21 GMT -5
I try and smoke every bowl to the bottom. Once in awhile I might dump the ash and enjoy what's left. I smoke cigars down to a tiny nub too. When I get a cigar down to an inch or so, I cut the head and the foot off and jam the remaining tube of tobacco into a pipe  |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Sept 18, 2018 20:57:40 GMT -5
I am detecting a distressing lack of love for Hanna's "air pocket." Seriously, folks, try it. You'll be glad you did.
I rarely use it with ribbon-cut, because my old idiosyncratic methods work well, but it has been a yuuuuuge win for me on my flake game.
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Post by monbla256 on Sept 18, 2018 21:29:30 GMT -5
When I started smoking I smoked a lot of Burley based aros and always had large dottle of wet goop in the bottom of the bowl. Changed to straight Va's and have had nothing but grey ash. Much better IMHO |
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Post by crapgame on Sept 18, 2018 21:39:17 GMT -5
I never have the goop prob with cube cut...i can smoke that to ash...
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Post by Dramatwist on Sept 18, 2018 21:41:02 GMT -5
...if you guys "smoke it to ash" all the time, more power to you... not my "thing" (see "Things" thread elsewhere)...
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Post by beardedmi on Sept 18, 2018 21:41:31 GMT -5
I am detecting a distressing lack of love for Hanna's "air pocket." Seriously, folks, try it. You'll be glad you did. I rarely use it with ribbon-cut, because my old idiosyncratic methods work well, but it has been a yuuuuuge win for me on my flake game. I have accomplished an air pocket only a few times on accident. They were good smokes, but I ended up with baccy in the bottom anyway as a result of tamping. My flake game is pretty solid and good old fold and stuff rarely lets me down. |
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Post by crapgame on Sept 18, 2018 21:49:16 GMT -5
As Mark posted earlier.. i smoke till i am done..be it 1/3 of the way.. 3/4... till it it tarry steam... or just lighting the pipe on the porch.. remembering something insde and not coming back outside..as long as i enjoyed it..NOT a waste at all!
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Post by sablebrush52 on Sept 18, 2018 21:58:28 GMT -5
Usually the problem of a wet dottle is tobacco not fully dried, and/or high ambient humidity. Don't worry about burning the bottom of a briar bowl. The low heat of the last bit of tobacco will have no effect whatsoever. Briar is tough, that's why it's used. I've been smoking until every bit of tobac is burned for 50 years. I smoke until it won't light anymore. Very interesting, because every pipe restorer I've spoken to about this says the exact opposite. In fact, Tim West told me explicitly that trying to burn those last few threads could cause damage to the chamber walls over time. Because it's not just the last few threads, but the heat buildup from making that effort to burn the whole load that does in a pipe. Sure briar's tough, but it's not a magic substance from the planet Mongo. It's wood. |
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