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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 24, 2018 11:46:00 GMT -5
So my daughter is entering into a poetry recital this year. Last year, I looked up the poem and found a version spoken by the poet herself. I advised my daughter to try to copy her with respect to the tone of voice, intonation, etc.
At the end of the recital the judge offered her analysis of how she thought the poem should be read. It was practically the opposite. The scientist in me was struggling not to scream.
This year, if I find a version of the poem recited by the poet, I'll tell my daughter to do the opposite.
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Post by professorthroway on Sept 24, 2018 11:50:59 GMT -5
I wish I could remember the TV show there was a similar situation portrayed. A character has to write an essay on Slaughterhouse 5 and hires Kurt Vonnegut to write it for them. The professor then tears the analysis apart saying that the student must never have even read the novel.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 11:53:08 GMT -5
If both you and your wife believe your daughter’s poem was well read, that’s all that should matter!! Pick your daughter up a special gift and let her know she recited the poem how she felt the words within. I can read Shakespeare’s poems but I’d bet I can’t express them in the same manner as as “ William “ himself.
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Post by haveldad on Sept 24, 2018 11:53:42 GMT -5
So my daughter is entering into a poetry recital this year. Last year, I looked up the poem and found a version spoken by the poet herself. I advised my daughter to try to copy her with respect to the tone of voice, intonation, etc. At the end of the recital the judge offered her analysis of how she thought the poem should be read. It was practically the opposite. The scientist in me was struggling not to scream. This year, if I find a version of the poem recited by the poet, I'll tell my daughter to do the opposite. Judges for things like that I've found to usually be the most "Interesting" characters. I'm sure she did great. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 24, 2018 11:58:43 GMT -5
Oh she did great, in my eyes. It's not about the competition with us. It's good for her presentation skills and confidence in which case she excelled. I just thought it was funny. And haveldad, you're right... This woman was SO eccentric. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 24, 2018 11:59:37 GMT -5
I wish I could remember the TV show there was a similar situation portrayed. A character has to write an essay on Slaughterhouse 5 and hires Kurt Vonnegut to write it for them. The professor then tears the analysis apart saying that the student must never have even read the novel. Funny, I remember a show like that too. I think I've mentioned it before here. I also can't remember what it was either. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 12:02:58 GMT -5
Oh she did great, in my eyes. It's not about the competition with us. It's good for her presentation skills and confidence in which case she excelled. I just thought it was funny. And haveldad , you're right... This woman was SO eccentric. Did she have a broomstick to ride on?? 😜🤪🤪🤪😂😂😂. There’s eccentric and there’s people as we say here in the States....” out in left field “! |
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Post by haveldad on Sept 24, 2018 12:05:28 GMT -5
Oh she did great, in my eyes. It's not about the competition with us. It's good for her presentation skills and confidence in which case she excelled. I just thought it was funny. And haveldad, you're right... This woman was SO eccentric. Great skills for her to work on for sure. Many people struggle with public speaking and speaking clearly. If she enjoys it that's even better. How far did the judge seem up their own arse? Lol |
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 24, 2018 12:12:52 GMT -5
Oh she did great, in my eyes. It's not about the competition with us. It's good for her presentation skills and confidence in which case she excelled. I just thought it was funny. And haveldad, you're right... This woman was SO eccentric. Great skills for her to work on for sure. Many people struggle with public speaking and speaking clearly. If she enjoys it that's even better. How far did the judge seem up their own arse? Lol When she opened her mouth I could see the top of her head. |
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Post by McWiggins on Sept 24, 2018 13:33:39 GMT -5
Poetry, whether written or spoken, is an art form and as such is very subjective. As one who works in the art world, I see it all the time and am not into any sort of competition. Its all very subjective and if public voting is taking place, it’s more of a popularity contest. I hate to be in front of people, I commend her for this. Good on her!  |
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Post by Lady Margaret on Sept 24, 2018 14:09:22 GMT -5
So my daughter is entering into a poetry recital this year. Last year, I looked up the poem and found a version spoken by the poet herself. I advised my daughter to try to copy her with respect to the tone of voice, intonation, etc. At the end of the recital the judge offered her analysis of how she thought the poem should be read. It was practically the opposite. The scientist in me was struggling not to scream. This year, if I find a version of the poem recited by the poet, I'll tell my daughter to do the opposite. that will probably backfire.... |
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 24, 2018 14:43:46 GMT -5
So my daughter is entering into a poetry recital this year. Last year, I looked up the poem and found a version spoken by the poet herself. I advised my daughter to try to copy her with respect to the tone of voice, intonation, etc. At the end of the recital the judge offered her analysis of how she thought the poem should be read. It was practically the opposite. The scientist in me was struggling not to scream. This year, if I find a version of the poem recited by the poet, I'll tell my daughter to do the opposite. that will probably backfire.... Probably. I was only joking about that too. I'm staying out of it. |
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Post by Cramptholomew on Sept 24, 2018 15:02:27 GMT -5
Buy the judge off! "Hey judge lady, they call me Legend Lover. I got some good stuff. McClelland makes it. It's yours, for a price..."
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Post by Dramatwist on Sept 24, 2018 15:33:44 GMT -5
Poetry is such an un-patronized art form, that any chance to support it that comes my way, I'm on board. We all discuss it like it's important, but it is tragically under-appreciated... unless the poet is dead.
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 24, 2018 16:22:00 GMT -5
Poetry is such an un-patronized art form, that any chance to support it that comes my way, I'm on board. We all discuss it like it's important, but it is tragically under-appreciated... unless the poet is dead. it's truly an art and way above me. I'm blown away by people's ability to do it. |
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Post by Lady Margaret on Sept 24, 2018 16:29:40 GMT -5
that will probably backfire.... Probably. I was only joking about that too. I'm staying out of it. I never enjoyed poetry in school because we were told what it meant and what should be taken from it, and frequently I didn't agree. They try to make a science out of an art and end up killing the beauty. |
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Post by Cramptholomew on Sept 24, 2018 16:32:54 GMT -5
I had to recite a poem once. I chose the Jabberwocky. Everyone was like, "what...?". That's the type of kid I was.
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Post by Dramatwist on Sept 24, 2018 16:40:15 GMT -5
...I suspect the reason poetry is so un-supported is that it's too close to feelings that humans ordinarily keep inside themselves...
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Post by Lady Margaret on Sept 24, 2018 16:43:47 GMT -5
...I suspect the reason poetry is so un-supported is that it's too close to feelings that humans ordinarily keep inside themselves... yes!!! they analyze it instead of experiencing it, it's safer that way. |
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Post by scrooge on Sept 24, 2018 16:47:45 GMT -5
Like mentioned before; all that really matters in the long run is that your daughter was happy with, an mom an dad.
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Post by william on Sept 24, 2018 16:55:12 GMT -5
Probably. I was only joking about that too. I'm staying out of it. I never enjoyed poetry in school because we were told what it meant and what should be taken from it, and frequently I didn't agree. They try to make a science out of an art and end up killing the beauty. There is an old story that the English poet John Keats, at a gathering of friends, proposed the following toast: "Confusion to the memory of Newton." When asked by his friends why he would disrespect Isaac Newton, his simple response was that "He took the poetry of the rainbow and reduced it to a prism." You and John could have been drinking buddies...... |
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 24, 2018 16:55:42 GMT -5
...I suspect the reason poetry is so un-supported is that it's too close to feelings that humans ordinarily keep inside themselves... That's a good point. I suppose many poems weren't written to be studied and analysed. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 24, 2018 16:56:11 GMT -5
I never enjoyed poetry in school because we were told what it meant and what should be taken from it, and frequently I didn't agree. They try to make a science out of an art and end up killing the beauty. There is an old story that the English poet John Keats, at a gathering of friends, proposed the following toast: "Confusion to the memory of Newton." When asked by his friends why he would disrespect Isaac Newton, his simple response was that "He took the poetry of the rainbow and reduced it to a prism." You and John could have been drinking buddies...... I like that. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 16:57:50 GMT -5
I had to recite a poem once. I chose the Jabberwocky. Everyone was like, "what...?". That's the type of kid I was. Cramp, I can see we're going to get along fine, unless you seek help. Paddy, I think it's great how she did it, and I am a little less trustful of many teachers than I am students. In fifth grade our teacher drew a picture of an atom. It was a little circle with circles hovering around it. I asked the teacher that since there was space between the the circle wouldn't that mean that things are never truly touching something else. (I hadn't learned about fusion yet). The teacher and the whole class, which included my twin bro, laughed at me for ten minutes. Forty years later I am watching a Nat Geo doc and they are talking about all that boring stuff. Then the narrator says that next they will explain why things never truly touch. I called my twin and gave him some serious fecal matter. He took it well and said, well, no issue that you were smarter than the teacher. Moral to the story: Learn what interests you. Do it your way. All else will eventually fall into place and you'll be as smart as m.... NO WAIT!!! Never mind |
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 24, 2018 16:59:37 GMT -5
I had to recite a poem once. I chose the Jabberwocky. Everyone was like, "what...?". That's the type of kid I was. Cramp, I can see we're going to get along fine, unless you seek help. Paddy, I think it's great how she did it, and I am a little less trustful of many teachers than I am students. In fifth grade our teacher drew a picture of an atom. It was a little circle with circles hovering around it. I asked the teacher that since there was space between the the circle wouldn't that mean that things are never truly touching something else. (I hadn't learned about fusion yet). The teacher and the whole class, which included my twin bro, laughed at me for ten minutes. Forty years later I am watching a Nat Geo doc and they are talking about all that boring stuff. Then the narrator says that next they will explain why things never truly touch. I called my twin and gave him some serious fecal matter. He took it well and said, well, no issue that you were smarter than the teacher. Moral to the story: Learn what interests you. Do it your way. All else will eventually fall into place and you'll be as smart as m.... NO WAIT!!! Never mind You're just ahead of you time, @cosmicbobo. You're in a different league. |
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Post by Dramatwist on Sept 24, 2018 17:01:49 GMT -5
...I suspect the reason poetry is so un-supported is that it's too close to feelings that humans ordinarily keep inside themselves... That's a good point. I suppose many poems weren't written to be studied and analysed. ...analyzing poetry is an exercise for grammarians... the feeling of poetry is for the readers... or, in your daughter's case, for the listeners... |
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Post by Lady Margaret on Sept 24, 2018 18:01:14 GMT -5
I never enjoyed poetry in school because we were told what it meant and what should be taken from it, and frequently I didn't agree. They try to make a science out of an art and end up killing the beauty. There is an old story that the English poet John Keats, at a gathering of friends, proposed the following toast: "Confusion to the memory of Newton." When asked by his friends why he would disrespect Isaac Newton, his simple response was that "He took the poetry of the rainbow and reduced it to a prism." You and John could have been drinking buddies...... cool!  i loved to read and write, but English sucked the life out of literature.... |
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Post by Dramatwist on Sept 24, 2018 18:22:36 GMT -5
There is an old story that the English poet John Keats, at a gathering of friends, proposed the following toast: "Confusion to the memory of Newton." When asked by his friends why he would disrespect Isaac Newton, his simple response was that "He took the poetry of the rainbow and reduced it to a prism." You and John could have been drinking buddies...... cool! i loved to read and write, but English sucked the life out of literature.... LM... English class, or the English language? |
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Post by Lady Margaret on Sept 24, 2018 18:33:13 GMT -5
cool! i loved to read and write, but English sucked the life out of literature.... LM... English class, or the English language? the class, specifically those teaching the class, lol. |
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Post by Dramatwist on Sept 24, 2018 18:34:51 GMT -5
LM... English class, or the English language? the class, specifically those teaching the class, lol. ...understood... I had some outrageously dumb-arse English teachers in HS and College... |
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i loved to read and write, but English sucked the life out of literature....