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Post by puffy on Nov 5, 2018 11:17:22 GMT -5
I've smoked a good number of blends over my pipe smoking years probably in the neighborhood of 400 or so.I gave up years ago in my effort to try them all.These days I stick to a few blends that I know I like.There's just so many of them coming on the market now ,and they're coming so fast.So the point of this post is to ask a question that's been on my mind for a while.With this world of new blends coming on the market seems like all the time..Don't a lot of them have to be almost the same?
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Post by haveldad on Nov 5, 2018 11:25:11 GMT -5
I've smoked a good number of blends over my pipe smoking years probably in the neighborhood of 400 or so.I gave up years ago in my effort to try them all.These days I stick to a few blends that I know I like.There's just so many of them coming on the market now ,and they're coming so fast.So the point of this post is to ask a question that's been on my mind for a while.With this world of new blends coming on the market seems like all the time..Don't a lot of them have to be almost the same? On the other forums I'm part of everyone talks about how few Tobacco releases for pipes we get compared to cigars. They also wondered if many blends are very similar, they even made a Sutliff match chart to start grouping blends that taste exactly the same. I myself am curious if the new Sutliff Blends are unique or just their bulks being pressed. To me what will really make two blends with the same components different is the processing, but most of the time we have no idea how this red Virginia is processed different from that one. I found many of the G&H ropes to taste samey, I also noticed that once you get past the topping and hit the Virginia in 1792 flake that it tastes like Brown Bogie. Perhapse its the same leaf, maybe it's not. Too many questions with not enough answers. |
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Post by blackmouth210 on Nov 5, 2018 11:30:18 GMT -5
There's probably no more and no less variety in 400 new blends being relased nowadays than there was in the 400 you tried over the years. Variety, or the lack thereof (however one wants to look at it), is probably pretty consistent
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Post by mwps70 on Nov 5, 2018 13:07:46 GMT -5
Although I do not have the most distinguishing pallet, I have often wondered this as well. Sometimes I wonder if it isn't just a unique name and/or tin art that makes the blend different than another. And tin art seems to be a strong push these days for blenders. Even C&D are upgrading old blends with new tin art. I'll leave the tobacco comparisons to those with more sophisticated pallets than mine but one has to wonder how many mixture possibilities are there.
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Post by McWiggins on Nov 5, 2018 13:23:06 GMT -5
I think there are blends that are/can be different and even then, many blends can be similar, not close but very similar.
For example, Sutliff has their famous blend Molto Dolce which comes only tinned. Another blend of theirs is Creme Brulee and it can be purchased in bulk and cheaper. Both were nearly the exact same in moisture content, tin note and smoke. I've smoked them many times, literally side by side. They are so very close with Molto Dolce being a slight, so very slight increase over all. That small amount of being better (at least to my senses) isnt enough to pay more for Molto Dolce when I can buy Creme Brulee.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 13:31:03 GMT -5
I would not be at all surprised to find that 1Q or whatever is being marketed under 5 or 10 different names.
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Post by kxg on Nov 5, 2018 13:47:28 GMT -5
After all, we are dealing with organic materials grown under slightly or greatly differing conditions each season. To expect perfect consistency with the same blend over a period of years seems a bit of a stretch. Given that, very similar blends from tobacco grown over a number of seasons, should yield taste profiles that are difficult to distinguish; except to the most discriminating palates (which doesn't include mine). At least that is my theory.
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Post by briarbuck on Nov 5, 2018 13:55:56 GMT -5
As a manufacturer, it's hard to have a zillion sku's to manage. It's much easier (profitable) to just make just a few blends. Think micro brewery. A brewer could have 100 beers if they want. But they are more efficient with a far smaller number of products. I have no idea how GP and C&D do it. Makes my head hurt thinking about it.
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Post by haveldad on Nov 5, 2018 13:59:27 GMT -5
As a manufacturer, it's hard to have a zillion sku's to manage. It's much easier (profitable) to just make just a few blends. Think micro brewery. A brewer could have 100 beers if they want. But they are more efficient with a far smaller number of products. I have no idea how GP and C&D do it. Makes my head hurt thinking about it. C&D has too many and too low quality. They could narrow down and make a better name for themselves if they tried. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 14:14:09 GMT -5
I would not be at all surprised to find that 1Q or whatever is being marketed under 5 or 10 different names. Good point👍 I’ve been in many small B&M’s and most had their own label blends. Many were definitely 1Q, every bowl I tried seemed to dry out my mouth like 1Q. A friend that closed his shop about 2 years ago labeled one of his own blends as “ Vanilla Surprise “, he told me it was 1Q, as if I didn’t know!! A gentleman here in Knightdale owns a small B&M and also labels 1Q under another name. I’ve yet to be in a smoke shop that sells bulk tobacco’s that didn’t sell 1Q under another label. Just the aroma I’d know immediately. |
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Post by peterd-Buffalo Spirit on Nov 5, 2018 14:24:39 GMT -5
… yes Ted...1Q is sold under a 1000 different names...like you, I can tell immediately what it is or was at any shop...
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Post by peteguy on Nov 5, 2018 14:28:21 GMT -5
Most are just rehashed imo. There are a few every year that seem to be a bit different and unique. Even more rare are the home run blends, CB Grape for example.... I would love to read jiminks thoughts on this but if he says anything negative he might be out of the sampler of the month club.  |
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Post by jeffd on Nov 5, 2018 14:30:58 GMT -5
As a manufacturer, it's hard to have a zillion sku's to manage. It's much easier (profitable) to just make just a few blends. Think micro brewery. A brewer could have 100 beers if they want. But they are more efficient with a far smaller number of products. I have no idea how GP and C&D do it. Makes my head hurt thinking about it. C&D has too many and too low quality. They could narrow down and make a better name for themselves if they tried. yea but yea but...  Blender number one makes five blends and two of them are superb. Blender number too makes 100 blends, and only 10 of them are superb. But hey, they made ten superb blends! |
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Post by puffy on Nov 5, 2018 15:00:50 GMT -5
I smoke a Lane blend called HGL..It could be 1Q with some Latakia in it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 15:10:08 GMT -5
I smoke a Lane blend called HGL..It could be 1Q with some Latakia in it. I've wondered the same. HGL is not bad, but I think the Sutliff Lat-aro crossovers are much better. |
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Post by blackmouth210 on Nov 5, 2018 15:44:08 GMT -5
I've smoked A LOT of Lane HGL.
I can assure you that it is NOT 1Q with latakia added.
I'm not a big fan of 1Q.
Adding latakia to it might make it better, but it would not make it HGL good.
Lane HGL is actually Lane RLP-6 with latakia added.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Nov 5, 2018 16:16:29 GMT -5
I smoke a Lane blend called HGL..It could be 1Q with some Latakia in it. I've wondered the same. HGL is not bad, but I think the Sutliff Lat-aro crossovers are much better. I'm a big fan of Aromatic English. Are there others you suggest? |
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Post by blackmouth210 on Nov 5, 2018 16:35:00 GMT -5
I've wondered the same. HGL is not bad, but I think the Sutliff Lat-aro crossovers are much better. I'm a big fan of Aromatic English. Are there others you suggest? Moonshine's XXX Sutliff 504c Aromatic English C&D's Captain Bob's Blend Gawith's Bob's Chocolate Flake |
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 5, 2018 16:35:00 GMT -5
I've smoked a good number of blends over my pipe smoking years probably in the neighborhood of 400 or so.I gave up years ago in my effort to try them all.These days I stick to a few blends that I know I like.There's just so many of them coming on the market now ,and they're coming so fast.So the point of this post is to ask a question that's been on my mind for a while.With this world of new blends coming on the market seems like all the time..Don't a lot of them have to be almost the same? On the other forums I'm part of everyone talks about how few Tobacco releases for pipes we get compared to cigars. They also wondered if many blends are very similar, they even made a Sutliff match chart to start grouping blends that taste exactly the same. I myself am curious if the new Sutliff Blends are unique or just their bulks being pressed. To me what will really make two blends with the same components different is the processing, but most of the time we have no idea how this red Virginia is processed different from that one. I found many of the G&H ropes to taste samey, I also noticed that once you get past the topping and hit the Virginia in 1792 flake that it tastes like Brown Bogie. Perhapse its the same leaf, maybe it's not. Too many questions with not enough answers. All cigars taste like cigars to me. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 5, 2018 16:36:10 GMT -5
I've wondered the same. HGL is not bad, but I think the Sutliff Lat-aro crossovers are much better. I'm a big fan of Aromatic English. Are there others you suggest? The best English aros are the Frog Mortons... Wilke makes several that are very nice. |
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Post by haveldad on Nov 5, 2018 16:38:10 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of Aromatic English. Are there others you suggest? The best English aros are the Frog Mortons... Wilke makes several that are very nice. Esotericas are pretty good for English aro. I'm not a big fan of the FMC I have but it's okay. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 5, 2018 16:38:50 GMT -5
I have tried about 70 blends. I have about 30 in the cellar that I haven't gotten to yet. I smoke what I enjoy mostly, with the occasional wild hare thrown in. I don't expect to add more than a dozen new blends in my pipe smoking future.
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Post by blackmouth210 on Nov 5, 2018 16:39:07 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of Aromatic English. Are there others you suggest? The best English aros are the Frog Mortons... Wilke makes several that are very nice. Agreed. I'll also add Just for Him's Shortcut To Mushrooms. But I was trying to be good by making a list of the blends that are still around. 😂 |
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 5, 2018 16:40:41 GMT -5
The best English aros are the Frog Mortons... Wilke makes several that are very nice. Esotericas are pretty good for English aro. I'm not a big fan of the FMC I have but it's okay. The Esoterica blends I have tried have been for the most part tasteless. Penzance works for me in exactly one pot. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 5, 2018 16:42:27 GMT -5
The best English aros are the Frog Mortons... Wilke makes several that are very nice. Agreed. I'll also add Just for Him's Shortcut To Mushrooms. But I was trying to be good by making a list of the blends that are still around. 😂 You are noted for being well behaved. 😎 Frog Morton is ubiquitous in my house. What's the problem? 🤠😂 |
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 5, 2018 16:48:35 GMT -5
Most are just rehashed imo. There are a few every year that seem to be a bit different and unique. Even more rare are the home run blends, CB Grape for example.... I would love to read jiminks thoughts on this but if he says anything negative he might be out of the sampler of the month club. refuses to review any tobacco, until he has smoked several bowls in different pipes. He refuses to even try CBG. If you look at his reviews you will see that he has a number of one and two star reviews. Why don't you review it so we can comment on your character? |
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Post by Cramptholomew on Nov 5, 2018 17:08:33 GMT -5
The best English aros are the Frog Mortons... Wilke makes several that are very nice. Agreed. I'll also add Just for Him's Shortcut To Mushrooms. But I was trying to be good by making a list of the blends that are still around. 😂 I bought half a pound over the phone right before they ran out. ;-) |
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Post by Cramptholomew on Nov 5, 2018 17:10:34 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of Aromatic English. Are there others you suggest? The best English aros are the Frog Mortons... Wilke makes several that are very nice. I need to try some Will blends. I haven't delved into their stock yet. People seem to like Rum Cake, but I think that's a straight aromatic. |
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Post by blackmouth210 on Nov 5, 2018 17:36:06 GMT -5
Agreed. I'll also add Just for Him's Shortcut To Mushrooms. But I was trying to be good by making a list of the blends that are still around. 😂 I bought half a pound over the phone right before they ran out. ;-) Before they ran out the first time or the 2nd time? I bought a lot of it right before they ran out the first time...when the blend contained McClelland components. After the reissue early this year, I was gifted a generous sample of the 2018 Shortcut to Mushrooms (post McClelland's closure) and thought it was not as good as the previous version. Still good. But not as good. I was awfully glad I stocked up heavily on the version I liked better with the McClelland ingredients included. |
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Post by Cramptholomew on Nov 5, 2018 18:18:09 GMT -5
I bought half a pound over the phone right before they ran out. ;-) Before they ran out the first time or the 2nd time? I bought a lot of it right before they ran out the first time...when the blend contained McClelland components. After the reissue early this year, I was gifted a generous sample of the 2018 Shortcut to Mushrooms (post McClelland's closure) and thought it was not as good as the previous version. Still good. But not as good. I was awfully glad I stocked up heavily on the version I liked better with the McClelland ingredients included. The second time. I haven't been around long enough to get in on any firsts (see McClelland anything). But, now it looks like STM is gone for good. |
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