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Post by trailboss on Dec 16, 2018 19:25:26 GMT -5
I have spent the day cleaning the office...I think I would rather wrestle a gator. Anyway, I ran across a Tyrolean kinda Acorn pipe that I had back in the dark recesses of the office I picked up a few years back on Craigslist...On one side in block letters it clearly says "Made in France". This other side uses a script that no matter how long I look at it, I cannot be sure what it says...I figure I would let you guys offer your advice.
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Post by puffy on Dec 16, 2018 19:31:05 GMT -5
My guess would be GOTHIC but the letters don't right.
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Dec 16, 2018 19:43:17 GMT -5
I don't think thats English. No idea what it says or means though.
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Post by haebar on Dec 16, 2018 19:43:23 GMT -5
It looks like Gothic to me. Don't know what else it could be. Unless it is a name.
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Post by blackmouth210 on Dec 16, 2018 19:58:39 GMT -5
Looks like "Golnic" to me.
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Dec 17, 2018 7:35:25 GMT -5
Looks like Gothic to me
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Post by trailboss on Dec 17, 2018 7:47:50 GMT -5
Thanks guys, I am guessing Gothic it is.
Nothing anywhere on the inter webs by any pipe with Gothic in the name... someone smoked it a lot at one point, and they were sharkish in their bite.
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 17, 2018 11:39:13 GMT -5
Interesting. Can we see a wide shot of the pipe?
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Post by trailboss on Dec 17, 2018 13:23:18 GMT -5
Interesting. Can we see a wide shot of the pipe? Tonight I can do it, I am on a snowbird avoidance mission today.
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 17, 2018 13:25:56 GMT -5
Interesting. Can we see a wide shot of the pipe? Tonight I can do it, I am on a snowbird avoidance mission today. I am sure that the RVs let you drive leisurely and smoke cooly.
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Post by trailboss on Dec 17, 2018 13:33:20 GMT -5
Most of the RV’s are parked... as they all drive their cars, they travel in convoys. They are all either lined up in the left lane or the right lane, changing lanes can be scary for them.. If they have to turn right in five miles, they ride that lane the whole length well below the speed limit... I should get hazard pay.
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Post by william on Dec 17, 2018 16:38:45 GMT -5
trailboss The Case of the Curious Calabash
My Dear Watson Charles, I have given considerable thought to the small mystery you have raised. It may, indeed, be a two pipe problem (or possibly three or four as I have already consumed one bowl of the finest Virginia while contemplating this). Since it is my business to know what other people don't know, I will focus my attention on this trifling issue. You may not be aware that many years ago I penned a small monograph partly on the gothic tradition (actually on the influence of a particular strain of the novel dubbed "gothic" on the mainstream British novel). At any rate, the stamp "Gothic" on your pipe intrigued me. I have developed a working hypothesis which I will share with you. As you know, once you have eliminated the probable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truth. The term "gothic" is generally used to refer to the Germanic people who nibbled away at the northern edges of the Roman empire with catastrophic consequences--at least for the Romans. They were deemed "barbarians" (although they were not), but their influence persists. The term "gothic" is generally used to distinguish something from "classic." And this distinction cuts across numerous lines of human endeavor. In architecture, gothic refers to a wilder, undisciplined style that leans toward the overly-ornate. Think of the straight lines of the classical Parthenon compared to the Cathedral of Notre Dame. Same thing in music. Contrast the predictable, measured cadences of a Bach composition to the wild ups and downs of Beethoven. In the pipe world, a straight billliard would be a classical design. I would imagine your pipe to be highly stylized--possibly a recognizable base (you mention "acorn") that is ornamented to excess featuring functional extravagence. For example, the hinge on the bowl suggests to me a lid--a functional lid. As you know it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. I will, however, offer some linguistic observations while I wait with eager anticipation the posting of your images of this creation in its entirety tonight. It is common to equate gothic script with the Germans (and possibly rightfully so), but its use was far more extensive, especially across northern Europe. It is based on an older script called "Fraktur." I offer a snippet here of the Fraktur alphabet: Note that the lower case letters are a close match to the stampings on your pipe. Notice the "foot" on the letter "t," and the forward stroke on the lower part of the letter "o." The upper case "G" is close. But calligraphers often took liberties with upper case letters, especially if they appear at the start of a chapter. So extra swirls and liberties can be expected there. I would surmise that your pipe was made in the Alsace-Lorraine region which has long been contested by both German and French. My grandfather's family with a very German sounding name (Steiner) came from there. They were very French. As an aside, I would mention that the Nazi's banned the use of Gothic script during WWII. Maybe this was a French pipe maker's way of extending his middle digit to the Germans. But I would not be surprised if some pipe-savvy person identifies your pipe as being a product of this region, possibly from the 1940's. At any rate--you know my method. It is founded upon the observation of trifles. That said, O how I do love a small mystery. Thanks for posting this. I remain, your faithful servant, Holmes William
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Post by Dramatwist on Dec 17, 2018 16:48:51 GMT -5
There is such a thing as "French Gothic" architecture, which originated in the 12th century and fell out of favor in the 16th.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Dec 17, 2018 16:49:13 GMT -5
I spent awhile looking around earlier and like william, I too found nothing.
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Post by william on Dec 17, 2018 16:51:02 GMT -5
I spent awhile looking around earlier and like william , I too found nothing. I thought I found something.......
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Post by PhantomWolf on Dec 17, 2018 16:53:43 GMT -5
I spent awhile looking around earlier and like william , I too found nothing. I thought I found something....... Hahaha Just kidding
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 17:04:20 GMT -5
trailboss The Case of the Curious Calabash
My Dear Watson Charles, I have given considerable thought to the small mystery you have raised. It may, indeed, be a two pipe problem (or possibly three or four as I have already consumed one bowl of the finest Virginia while contemplating this). Since it is my business to know what other people don't know, I will focus my attention on this trifling issue. You may not be aware that many years ago I penned a small monograph partly on the gothic tradition (actually on the influence of a particular strain of the novel dubbed "gothic" on the mainstream British novel). At any rate, the stamp "Gothic" on your pipe intrigued me. I have developed a working hypothesis which I will share with you. As you know, once you have eliminated the probable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truth. The term "gothic" is generally used to refer to the Germanic people who nibbled away at the northern edges of the Roman empire with catastrophic consequences--at least for the Romans. They were deemed "barbarians" (although they were not), but their influence persists. The term "gothic" is generally used to distinguish something from "classic." And this distinction cuts across numerous lines of human endeavor. In architecture, gothic refers to a wilder, undisciplined style that leans toward the overly-ornate. Think of the straight lines of the classical Parthenon compared to the Cathedral of Notre Dame. Same thing in music. Contrast the predictable, measured cadences of a Bach composition to the wild ups and downs of Beethoven. In the pipe world, a straight billliard would be a classical design. I would imagine your pipe to be highly stylized--possibly a recognizable base (you mention "acorn") that is ornamented to excess featuring functional extravagence. For example, the hinge on the bowl suggests to me a lid--a functional lid. As you know it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. I will, however, offer some linguistic observations while I wait with eager anticipation the posting of your images of this creation in its entirety tonight. It is common to equate gothic script with the Germans (and possibly rightfully so), but its use was far more extensive, especially across northern Europe. It is based on an older script called "Fraktur." I offer a snippet here of the Fraktur alphabet: Note that the lower case letters are a close match to the stampings on your pipe. Notice the "foot" on the letter "t," and the forward stroke on the lower part of the letter "o." The upper case "G" is close. But calligraphers often took liberties with upper case letters, especially if they appear at the start of a chapter. So extra swirls and liberties can be expected there. I would surmise that your pipe was made in the Alsace-Lorraine region which has long been contested by both German and French. My grandfather's family with a very German sounding name (Steiner) came from there. They were very French. As an aside, I would mention that the Nazi's banned the use of Gothic script during WWII. Maybe this was a French pipe maker's way of extending his middle digit to the Germans. But I would not be surprised if some pipe-savvy person identifies your pipe as being a product of this region, possibly from the 1940's. At any rate--you know my method. It is founded upon the observation of trifles. That said, O how I do love a small mystery. Thanks for posting this. I remain, your faithful servant, Holmes William Did you really write a book on gothic literature, and if so what's it called?
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 17, 2018 17:14:46 GMT -5
I looked at it blown up on the PC and I "see" Gothic, but when I examine the letters closely, I don't know why.
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Post by trailboss on Dec 17, 2018 18:10:47 GMT -5
I looked at it blown up on the PC and I "see" Gothic, but when I examine the letters closely, I don't know why. Your experience mirrors mine. William, thank you for the well written thesis, that was an enjoyable read... your conclusion sounds more possible than anything I have yet considered. The gal I bought it from, I think it was $10- $15.... said that it belonged to her old uncle that had passed many years prior.
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Post by william on Dec 17, 2018 18:20:46 GMT -5
Did you really write a book on gothic literature, and if so what's it called? @chico --yes I did. I'm sure you will understand that I wish to remain anonymous on a public forum. But I have a Ph.D. in British Literature, and spent my life (up until my fairly recent retirement) as a professor at a state university. I am an old-fashioned literary historian with a particular interest in the history of ideas, as reflected in the novel--not really interested in poetry or drama--just the mix of ideas floating around. So everything I said in my long, rambling earlier post is true. I was just trying to have a little fun with Charlie by playing the role of Sherlock Holmes. In fact, many of the lines in my post were from the Holmes canon. I'm certain I have gone to a lot of trouble to only regret it later.
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Post by william on Dec 17, 2018 18:23:32 GMT -5
I looked at it blown up on the PC and I "see" Gothic, but when I examine the letters closely, I don't know why. Your experience mirrors mine. William, thank you for the well written thesis, that was an enjoyable read... your conclusion sounds more possible than anything I have yet considered. The gal I bought it from, I think it was $10- $15.... said that it belonged to her old uncle that had passed many years prior. Glad you enjoyed it, Charlie. Sometimes I get bored and this is the sort of thing I do. I would have probably been better served by raking up leaves in the yard this afternoon.....
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Post by trailboss on Dec 17, 2018 18:34:02 GMT -5
No... you did well! We encourage and heartily endorse like contributions.
I have written some late night ramblings....it is therapeutic to bang it out on the keypad before I sleep or it ends up draining on my pillow.
The wife thinks it is drool, I know better!
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Post by trailboss on Dec 17, 2018 23:12:59 GMT -5
Interesting. Can we see a wide shot of the pipe? The blotch...I looked at the inside, no hint of a burnout, the walls are solid, i am guessing that it came in contact with something on the outside.
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 17, 2018 23:52:19 GMT -5
That's a really nice pipe. Very different than the usual alpine pipe. I laid a gourd down without wiping it out first and it spotted exactly like that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 0:49:57 GMT -5
Did you really write a book on gothic literature, and if so what's it called? @chico --yes I did. I'm sure you will understand that I wish to remain anonymous on a public forum. But I have a Ph.D. in British Literature, and spent my life (up until my fairly recent retirement) as a professor at a state university. I am an old-fashioned literary historian with a particular interest in the history of ideas, as reflected in the novel--not really interested in poetry or drama--just the mix of ideas floating around. So everything I said in my long, rambling earlier post is true. I was just trying to have a little fun with Charlie by playing the role of Sherlock Holmes. In fact, many of the lines in my post were from the Holmes canon. I'm certain I have gone to a lot of trouble to only regret it later. Totally understand. It's a subject I have a strong interest in, so was just curious. There's even a slim possibility I already have your book!
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Post by Legend Lover on Dec 18, 2018 9:48:27 GMT -5
trailboss The Case of the Curious Calabash
My Dear Watson Charles, I have given considerable thought to the small mystery you have raised. It may, indeed, be a two pipe problem (or possibly three or four as I have already consumed one bowl of the finest Virginia while contemplating this). Since it is my business to know what other people don't know, I will focus my attention on this trifling issue. You may not be aware that many years ago I penned a small monograph partly on the gothic tradition (actually on the influence of a particular strain of the novel dubbed "gothic" on the mainstream British novel). At any rate, the stamp "Gothic" on your pipe intrigued me. I have developed a working hypothesis which I will share with you. As you know, once you have eliminated the probable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truth. The term "gothic" is generally used to refer to the Germanic people who nibbled away at the northern edges of the Roman empire with catastrophic consequences--at least for the Romans. They were deemed "barbarians" (although they were not), but their influence persists. The term "gothic" is generally used to distinguish something from "classic." And this distinction cuts across numerous lines of human endeavor. In architecture, gothic refers to a wilder, undisciplined style that leans toward the overly-ornate. Think of the straight lines of the classical Parthenon compared to the Cathedral of Notre Dame. Same thing in music. Contrast the predictable, measured cadences of a Bach composition to the wild ups and downs of Beethoven. In the pipe world, a straight billliard would be a classical design. I would imagine your pipe to be highly stylized--possibly a recognizable base (you mention "acorn") that is ornamented to excess featuring functional extravagence. For example, the hinge on the bowl suggests to me a lid--a functional lid. As you know it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. I will, however, offer some linguistic observations while I wait with eager anticipation the posting of your images of this creation in its entirety tonight. It is common to equate gothic script with the Germans (and possibly rightfully so), but its use was far more extensive, especially across northern Europe. It is based on an older script called "Fraktur." I offer a snippet here of the Fraktur alphabet: Note that the lower case letters are a close match to the stampings on your pipe. Notice the "foot" on the letter "t," and the forward stroke on the lower part of the letter "o." The upper case "G" is close. But calligraphers often took liberties with upper case letters, especially if they appear at the start of a chapter. So extra swirls and liberties can be expected there. I would surmise that your pipe was made in the Alsace-Lorraine region which has long been contested by both German and French. My grandfather's family with a very German sounding name (Steiner) came from there. They were very French. As an aside, I would mention that the Nazi's banned the use of Gothic script during WWII. Maybe this was a French pipe maker's way of extending his middle digit to the Germans. But I would not be surprised if some pipe-savvy person identifies your pipe as being a product of this region, possibly from the 1940's. At any rate--you know my method. It is founded upon the observation of trifles. That said, O how I do love a small mystery. Thanks for posting this. I remain, your faithful servant, Holmes William Superbly written, my friend.
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Post by johnlawitzke on Dec 18, 2018 22:55:49 GMT -5
I guess that I’m the odd man out. When I first looked at the picture, what I immediately saw is “Gaelic" in stylized letters. That makes sense to me being a French pipe.
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Post by trailboss on Dec 18, 2018 23:14:13 GMT -5
I guess that I’m the odd man out. When I first looked at the picture, what I immediately saw is “Gaelic" in stylized letters. That makes sense to me being a French pipe. Now that you say that, I can see it. Nothing on the interwebs about gaelic tobacco pipe in a broad search or at Pipephil, or Pipedia...Google image too.
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Post by Dramatwist on Dec 18, 2018 23:17:49 GMT -5
...still looks like "Gothic" to me... don't see how that third letter would be an "e"...
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Post by johnlawitzke on Dec 18, 2018 23:37:13 GMT -5
...still looks like "Gothic" to me... don't see how that third letter would be an "e"... E not e
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