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Post by lizardonarock on Feb 3, 2024 22:26:04 GMT -5
My vote this week for a super affordable speaker that does not suck is the Klipsch RP600m 349.00 for the pair from Crutchfield. At that price point your better half can't even get mad at you.
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Post by lizardonarock on Feb 3, 2024 22:36:58 GMT -5
Grados are a little tough to get in to but a lot of fun playing with ear pad styles SR125 is a stand out sound wise with out going crazy. Once you start into wood housings the price gets crazy. What audio-technica cans do you have Urb?
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Post by urbino on Feb 3, 2024 23:28:44 GMT -5
Grados are a little tough to get in to but a lot of fun playing with ear pad styles SR125 is a stand out sound wise with out going crazy. Once you start into wood housings the price gets crazy. What audio-technica cans do you have Urb? Mine are the ATH-M50s. Nothing fancy, but they sound pretty good and my ears don't object to them quite so much. |
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Post by urbino on Feb 3, 2024 23:30:04 GMT -5
My vote this week for a super affordable speaker that does not suck is the Klipsch RP600m 349.00 for the pair from Crutchfield. At that price point your better half can't even get mad at you. I've got a pair I wouldn't mind moving along, but if new ones are selling at that price, probably no one's going to be much interested in a used pair. |
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Post by lizardonarock on Feb 4, 2024 0:52:34 GMT -5
Well they do make Steve Guttenberg audiophiliac top 10 speakers list. They do make a Rp600mII but they want 519.00 for those and your new to you Maggies are on the list as well. Steve has reviewed a ton of stuff over the years.
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Post by urbino on Feb 4, 2024 0:56:26 GMT -5
Well they do make Steve Guttenberg audiophiliac top 10 speakers list. They do make a Rp600mII but they want 519.00 for those and your new to you Maggies are on the list as well. Steve has reviewed a ton of stuff over the years. He has. I used to read him in Stereophile back in the day. Unfortunately, I've learned from his channel that his ears and mine often differ, so I take his reviews into consideration but they're not a big, decisive factor. I'm sitting in front of the Maggies right at the moment. Have been for the past couple hours. Still don't have placement quite dialed in, but they sound awfully good. And I'm still surprised at the bass they put out. |
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Post by lizardonarock on Feb 4, 2024 22:52:37 GMT -5
 Left speaker move a fraction to the left, right speaker move a fraction to the right, left speaker move a fraction to the right. Right speaker move a fraction to the left. Left speaker move a fraction to the right. Right speaker move a fraction....... You go Urb this proper placement stuff is a beast. |
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Post by urbino on Feb 4, 2024 23:42:51 GMT -5
Left speaker move a fraction to the left, right speaker move a fraction to the right, left speaker move a fraction to the right. Right speaker move a fraction to the left. Left speaker move a fraction to the right. Right speaker move a fraction....... You go Urb this proper placement stuff is a beast. You do the hokey-pokey and you turn yourself about. |
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Post by turbocat on Feb 5, 2024 0:31:38 GMT -5
Urb suggested I stop by this thread and part of me wants to jump into it, but part of me thinks I don’t have much to discuss. There was a time years ago when I paid a lot more attention to audio equipment and finding the best, etc., but when I put together my current setup, I decided there wasn’t anything worth doing that I could do to make it better. I’m quite happy with it.
Sure, I get distracted by some speakers every now and then, but I know I’m never going to buy them. I got to listen to a pair of Tannoy Cheviot’s last year that tempted me greatly, but my vintage Eatons are perfectly fine for my room size. My Rega Planar 3 turntable with a Rega Exact cartridge had the biggest “bang for the buck” improvement in my setup and I just feel like I would be chasing intangible micro improvements from here, so I’m happy with that. I don’t like headphones, I had to wear them for some of my work for a few years and that really sealed the deal. To top it all off, my hearing isn’t anywhere near what it was when I was in my twenties or thirties and I have come to terms with the fact that the gear I have is probably already producing better sound than I can even hear anymore.
Most of my interest has moved to my record and cd collections, that’s where my joy and entertainment with audio hangs out now.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 5, 2024 2:24:13 GMT -5
Left speaker move a fraction to the left, right speaker move a fraction to the right, left speaker move a fraction to the right. Right speaker move a fraction to the left. Left speaker move a fraction to the right. Right speaker move a fraction....... You go Urb this proper placement stuff is a beast. That's from an old BASF ad. I used to have a bunch of those tapes. |
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Post by lizardonarock on Feb 5, 2024 2:39:58 GMT -5
I thought the ad was Maxell. When I still had cassette tapes I thought Maxell gold was the best. I do remember BASF reel to reel tape. These days all my music fits on M.2 drive the size of a stick of gum all 44000 hours of it or some insane number. But now that Ted the Turbocat is here we can talk about Schiit and vinyl and the lat5est CD's and other cool stuff.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 5, 2024 2:42:39 GMT -5
My vote this week for a super affordable speaker that does not suck is the Klipsch RP600m 349.00 for the pair from Crutchfield. At that price point your better half can't even get mad at you. Mine are the R28f. One notch below those with larger woofers. My old ears can't tell the difference anymore so I like them just fine. I have never heard a headphone that cost over $50 that I didn't like. My favorite and longest used pair were the Koss Pro 4AAs. Recommend by Jimmy Carter on SNL. 😁 |
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 5, 2024 2:43:38 GMT -5
I thought the ad was Maxell. When I still had cassette tapes I thought Maxell gold was the best. I do remember BASF reel to reel tape. These days all my music fits on M.2 drive the size of a stick of gum all 44000 hours of it or some insane number. But now that Ted the Turbocat is here we can talk about Schiit and vinyl and the lat5est CD's and other cool stuff. Well, maybe you're right. It's been a week or so. |
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Post by urbino on Feb 5, 2024 3:04:10 GMT -5
Urb suggested I stop by this thread and part of me wants to jump into it, but part of me thinks I don’t have much to discuss. There was a time years ago when I paid a lot more attention to audio equipment and finding the best, etc., but when I put together my current setup, I decided there wasn’t anything worth doing that I could do to make it better. I’m quite happy with it. Sure, I get distracted by some speakers every now and then, but I know I’m never going to buy them. I got to listen to a pair of Tannoy Cheviot’s last year that tempted me greatly, but my vintage Eatons are perfectly fine for my room size. My Rega Planar 3 turntable with a Rega Exact cartridge had the biggest “bang for the buck” improvement in my setup and I just feel like I would be chasing intangible micro improvements from here, so I’m happy with that. I don’t like headphones, I had to wear them for some of my work for a few years and that really sealed the deal. To top it all off, my hearing isn’t anywhere near what it was when I was in my twenties or thirties and I have come to terms with the fact that the gear I have is probably already producing better sound than I can even hear anymore. Most of my interest has moved to my record and cd collections, that’s where my joy and entertainment with audio hangs out now. Man, there's not a dang thing wrong with finding what you like and sticking with it. My continued exploration is as much about curiosity as it is chasing anything. I mean, I am a soundstage fiend and I do want to get the biggest, most convincing soundstage I can get, so that's part of it, but also I'm just curious about things. Ribbon speakers, for instance. I'd never heard any. And they were reported to soundstage like nobody's business. And, although they do take up room, they can easily be moved out of the way when necessary. With these new LRS+'s getting such great reviews, it seemed like a good time to try them. I hear you about the Eatons fitting your room size. That's where I was when I got mine. I thought about going up to the Turnberry, but for my size room, they just wouldn't add much. (I wouldn't mind trying the Kensington, someday, though, with the upgraded driver with the AlNiCo magnets. Heck, why not the Westminsters when my ship comes in?) Oh, and feel free to jump in even if you aren't shopping. You still know stuff about the hobby. |
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Post by urbino on Feb 5, 2024 3:13:47 GMT -5
I thought the ad was Maxell. When I still had cassette tapes I thought Maxell gold was the best. I do remember BASF reel to reel tape. These days all my music fits on M.2 drive the size of a stick of gum all 44000 hours of it or some insane number. But now that Ted the Turbocat is here we can talk about Schiit and vinyl and the lat5est CD's and other cool stuff. I've got about 2000 tracks on local storage and maybe 3- or 4-dozen records, but mostly I do high-quality streaming from Qobuz. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 5, 2024 19:51:17 GMT -5
My friend had money saved from a long, lucrative career and his mom died at 96 and left him a large inheritance. So, he had a house custom built in a retirement community, and he had a room built just for the Klipschhorns. They sound great in there and he had them for 50 years before he got to hear them properly. They spent 20 years in a spare bedroom. That's commitment. I haven't mentioned the Jubilees to him yet, but they should work.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 5, 2024 20:03:50 GMT -5
I don't have a sophisticated system. I have a Yamaha AV receiver, rated at 170 wpc with all kinds of programs that I never use. There is a pure mode that is all I use. I have an old Rega Planet CD player that has a circuit that makes it sound more analog and also a direct digital output that the Yamaha decoders. I can A/B it and I can't tell the difference. I have a Technics SL-1300 turntable with a Shure V15 Type I and a Stanton 881 cartridge. Monster cables, a UPS and a voltage stabilizer. Plus the afore mentioned Klipsch R82f speakers. Had the 7 speaker surround at the last house. Too much trouble. Oh, a Def Tec 10 inch sub that I don't really need.
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Post by turbocat on Feb 5, 2024 20:20:49 GMT -5
I’m not sure of which all Klipsch products you have been discussing here, but I have heard more than a couple pairs of Klipsch Heresys and I can’t say that I would cry if someone snuck into my home and replaced my Tannoys with them. The Heresy’s seem to shine just a little bit more than Tannoy when it comes to hard heavy metal and the like.
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Post by urbino on Feb 5, 2024 20:26:49 GMT -5
My friend had money saved from a long, lucrative career and his mom died at 96 and left him a large inheritance. So, he had a house custom built in a retirement community, and he had a room built just for the Klipschhorns. They sound great in there and he had them for 50 years before he got to hear them properly. They spent 20 years in a spare bedroom. That's commitment. I haven't mentioned the Jubilees to him yet, but they should work. That is commitment. I've designed house plans that have a dedicated listening room. I'll likely never get to build them, though. |
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Post by urbino on Feb 5, 2024 20:30:43 GMT -5
I don't have a sophisticated system. I have a Yamaha AV receiver, rated at 170 wpc with all kinds of programs that I never use. There is a pure mode that is all I use. I have an old Rega Planet CD player that has a circuit that makes it sound more analog and also a direct digital output that the Yamaha decoders. I can A/B it and I can't tell the difference. I have a Technics SL-1300 turntable with a Shure V15 Type I and a Stanton 881 cartridge. Monster cables, a UPS and a voltage stabilizer. Plus the afore mentioned Klipsch R82f speakers. Had the 7 speaker surround at the last house. Too much trouble. Oh, a Def Tec 10 inch sub that I don't really need. Sounds like good kit. I used a Yamaha integrated for, lord, I don't know, 25 years? Something like that. |
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Post by urbino on Feb 5, 2024 20:34:41 GMT -5
I’m not sure of which all Klipsch products you have been discussing here, but I have heard more than a couple pairs of Klipsch Heresys and I can’t say that I would cry if someone snuck into my home and replaced my Tannoys with them. The Heresy’s seem to shine just a little bit more than Tannoy when it comes to hard heavy metal and the like. We'll have to disagree there. I've got a pair of Heresy's along the wall 90 degrees from my Tannoys. They only thing they do better to my ears is throw the vocalists farther out in front of the speaker plane. Everything else, and overall, I strongly prefer the Tannoys. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 5, 2024 20:46:08 GMT -5
I’m not sure of which all Klipsch products you have been discussing here, but I have heard more than a couple pairs of Klipsch Heresys and I can’t say that I would cry if someone snuck into my home and replaced my Tannoys with them. The Heresy’s seem to shine just a little bit more than Tannoy when it comes to hard heavy metal and the like. I donated a pair of Heresys to the church traveling singers. Put sockets on the bottom, corners, and handles on them. They used them until we moved away. When we visited a couple of months later, they had thrown them out and replaced them with some crappy JBL bottom of the line public address speakers. They threw out the Shure 58 mics and got some Guitar Center wireless mics. It all sounded like crap I regret donating them, but at the time I just wanted the group to sound as good as possible. It takes a special kind of person to to get involved in the work of the church. I quit running the sound board because I was feeling ownership of it and I knew it wasn't right. |
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Post by turbocat on Feb 5, 2024 22:38:41 GMT -5
I’m not sure of which all Klipsch products you have been discussing here, but I have heard more than a couple pairs of Klipsch Heresys and I can’t say that I would cry if someone snuck into my home and replaced my Tannoys with them. The Heresy’s seem to shine just a little bit more than Tannoy when it comes to hard heavy metal and the like. We'll have to disagree there. I've got a pair of Heresy's along the wall 90 degrees from my Tannoys. They only thing they do better to my ears is throw the vocalists farther out in front of the speaker plane. Everything else, and overall, I strongly prefer the Tannoys. Seeing that you have both, I defer to your experience on that. I have never heard a side by side comparison. Besides, if I didn’t like the new Heresy’s, I could sell them and buy a new set of Tannoy  |
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Post by urbino on Feb 5, 2024 22:57:32 GMT -5
We'll have to disagree there. I've got a pair of Heresy's along the wall 90 degrees from my Tannoys. They only thing they do better to my ears is throw the vocalists farther out in front of the speaker plane. Everything else, and overall, I strongly prefer the Tannoys. Seeing that you have both, I defer to your experience on that. I have never heard a side by side comparison. Besides, if I didn’t like the new Heresy’s, I could sell them and buy a new set of Tannoy We all like different things. That's what makes it fun. |
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Post by turbocat on Feb 5, 2024 23:15:16 GMT -5
I have a fond memory of listening to Cowboys From Hell when it first came out at a friend’s house on Heresy’s. I didn’t even know what Tannoy was at the time.
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Post by turbocat on Feb 5, 2024 23:19:53 GMT -5
Seeing that you have both, I defer to your experience on that. I have never heard a side by side comparison. Besides, if I didn’t like the new Heresy’s, I could sell them and buy a new set of Tannoy We all like different things. That's what makes it fun. Kinda funny that you would say that when we own almost identical speakers and the same preamp if I’m not mistaken. |
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Post by urbino on Feb 5, 2024 23:45:53 GMT -5
We all like different things. That's what makes it fun. Kinda funny that you would say that when we own almost identical speakers and the same preamp if I’m not mistaken. Yeah, but you'd trade those speakers for some I wouldn't even consider doing it for, so something's pretty different. |
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Post by turbocat on Feb 6, 2024 1:52:23 GMT -5
Kinda funny that you would say that when we own almost identical speakers and the same preamp if I’m not mistaken. Yeah, but you'd trade those speakers for some I wouldn't even consider doing it for, so something's pretty different. And that’s a good example of why the whole “audiophile” concept doesn’t really work for me. “Audiophiles” tend to blow little things out of proportion and take extreme views thinking and acting like those things have so much meaning. Way too serious about nothing. I never said I’d trade my speakers. I’ve had them for fifteen years. If I ever wanted something else, it would be in their place already. My original statement was merely pragmatism. Pragmatism is the opposite of “audiophile”.  |
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Post by urbino on Feb 6, 2024 2:02:54 GMT -5
Yeah, but you'd trade those speakers for some I wouldn't even consider doing it for, so something's pretty different. And that’s a good example of why the whole “audiophile” concept doesn’t really work for me. “Audiophiles” tend to blow little things out of proportion and take extreme views thinking and acting like those things have so much meaning. Way too serious about nothing. I never said I’d trade my speakers. I’ve had them for fifteen years. If I ever wanted something else, it would be in their place already. My original statement was merely pragmatism. Pragmatism is the opposite of “audiophile”. Fair enough, you didn't literally say you'd trade them in, but what you did say indicates you would prefer to have Heresy's. I don't think my reading was too far out of line. I'd also say changing speakers isn't a small change. No component changes the sound of reproduced music more than the speakers. Changing from Eatons to Cheviots probably wouldn't be a huge difference. But changing to a horn speaker, that's quite a noticeable change. If it weren't, you wouldn't have a preference between them, right? |
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Post by lizardonarock on Feb 6, 2024 2:33:22 GMT -5
 I had a little pair of Infinity RS1 Reference one book shelf speakers with the poly cell tweeters and 5 1/4 inch kevlar midrange. Picked up a thrift store for like ten bucks. After a refoam they were a great set of little speakers. They had a nice tone to them especially with classical orchestra. They defiantly were not meant to be played loud and lacked bass with the small driver
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