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Post by turbocat on Feb 6, 2024 3:02:57 GMT -5
And that’s a good example of why the whole “audiophile” concept doesn’t really work for me. “Audiophiles” tend to blow little things out of proportion and take extreme views thinking and acting like those things have so much meaning. Way too serious about nothing. I never said I’d trade my speakers. I’ve had them for fifteen years. If I ever wanted something else, it would be in their place already. My original statement was merely pragmatism. Pragmatism is the opposite of “audiophile”.  Fair enough, you didn't literally say you'd trade them in, but what you did say indicates you would prefer to have Heresy's. I don't think my reading was too far out of line. I'd also say changing speakers isn't a small change. No component changes the sound of reproduced music more than the speakers. Changing from Eatons to Cheviots probably wouldn't be a huge difference. But changing to a horn speaker, that's quite a noticeable change. If it weren't, you wouldn't have a preference between them, right? I said if someone broke into my house and replaced them I wouldn’t cry, not quite saying I would prefer them. Nor was I making any statement of what is better. I have never bought any Klipsch products and haven’t even thought about it. Truth be told I probably would sell them and buy new Tannoys if that happened, mine are from the 1970’s after all. I do subscribe to some basic facts about audio gear and with speakers there is no question that dual concentric Tannoys are as good as it gets and they are definitely my preference. Anyway, in fairness though, a few years ago I listened to some ridiculously expensive French speakers that I can’t even remember the name of that were incredible and every bit the match of a Tannoy so I can’t say they are the end all be all. Some of the high end KEF speakers I’ve heard were pretty sweet too. I believe it’s possible to appreciate something for what it is without that being a statement of good/bad right/wrong about anything else. I’ve found a happy place with my setup for me and have no desire to change a thing, in fact I believe that was the substance of my first post here. Heck, I enjoy listening to the radio in my car and probably listen to more music like that than I do on my system and broadcast audio over a car stereo is pretty far into low-fi territory. |
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Post by urbino on Feb 6, 2024 3:21:30 GMT -5
Fair enough, you didn't literally say you'd trade them in, but what you did say indicates you would prefer to have Heresy's. I don't think my reading was too far out of line. I'd also say changing speakers isn't a small change. No component changes the sound of reproduced music more than the speakers. Changing from Eatons to Cheviots probably wouldn't be a huge difference. But changing to a horn speaker, that's quite a noticeable change. If it weren't, you wouldn't have a preference between them, right? I said if someone broke into my house and replaced them I wouldn’t cry, not quite saying I would prefer them. Nor was I making any statement of what is better. I have never bought any Klipsch products and haven’t even thought about it. Truth be told I probably would sell them and buy new Tannoys if that happened, mine are from the 1970’s after all. I do subscribe to some basic facts about audio gear and with speakers there is no question that dual concentric Tannoys are as good as it gets and they are definitely my preference. Anyway, in fairness though, a few years ago I listened to some ridiculously expensive French speakers that I can’t even remember the name of that were incredible and every bit the match of a Tannoy so I can’t say they are the end all be all. Some of the high end KEF speakers I’ve heard were pretty sweet too. I believe it’s possible to appreciate something for what it is without that being a statement of good/bad right/wrong about anything else. I’ve found a happy place with my setup for me and have no desire to change a thing, in fact I believe that was the substance of my first post here. Heck, I enjoy listening to the radio in my car and probably listen to more music like that than I do on my system and broadcast audio over a car stereo is pretty far into low-fi territory. I'm not sure there's any disagreement here. I haven't said anything about good/bad/right/wrong, either, I don't think. Just what I prefer and what I thought you were saying you prefer. I'm not a "high horse" audiophile. If somebody is tickled with their system, I'm happy for them. Doesn't matter what it is. Enjoying it is the whole point, and they're enjoying it. Leave 'em alone. I don't know if Tannoys are as good as it gets. I know I prefer these to any of the speakers I've owned over the past 35 years, which is quite a few, but there's tons of speakers I've never even heard. |
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Post by urbino on Feb 6, 2024 3:22:12 GMT -5
 I had a little pair of Infinity RS1 Reference one book shelf speakers with the poly cell tweeters and 5 1/4 inch kevlar midrange. Picked up a thrift store for like ten bucks. After a refoam they were a great set of little speakers. They had a nice tone to them especially with classical orchestra. They defiantly were not meant to be played loud and lacked bass with the small driver Those are nifty little speakers. I remember seeing them in the review mags, back in the day. Nice find. |
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Post by lizardonarock on Feb 6, 2024 3:35:57 GMT -5
I ended up gifting them to a friend who needed something that was missing in his sound stage about two years ago. They were surprisedly pretty heavy for their small size.
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Post by urbino on Feb 6, 2024 3:52:26 GMT -5
I ended up gifting them to a friend who needed something that was missing in his sound stage about two years ago. They were surprisedly pretty heavy for their small size. Some of those small cones still have hefty magnets. I had a pair of little B&W monitors like that. |
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Post by lizardonarock on Feb 6, 2024 6:57:25 GMT -5
Pretty sure the drivers were from the Becker NY speaker plant.
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Post by turbocat on Feb 6, 2024 15:22:25 GMT -5
Hey urbino, that’s kind of what I was saying as well, I don’t think we have widely divergent views on this subject. I should clarify my statement of Tannoy dual concentric speakers be the best as it gets. I was speaking from my understanding of speaker design and in the sense that Tannoy’s design does the best at every aspect of sound reproduction in one speaker design, not that they are the best at every aspect. Put another way, each speaker design has its particular strengths where it excells while the Tannoys attempt to have each design strength in one speaker. Again though, I believe there is a point where it all becomes academic or even philosophical. After all, the only thing any speaker that exists does is create an artificial sound and we ultimately just discuss which artificial sound we like the best. |
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Post by lizardonarock on Feb 7, 2024 13:40:31 GMT -5
Artificial sound sounds like it gets more fun the more money you have to achieve it,
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Post by turbocat on Feb 7, 2024 14:49:52 GMT -5
Artificial sound sounds like it gets more fun the more money you have to achieve it, So true. |
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Post by lizardonarock on Feb 7, 2024 17:38:00 GMT -5
So basically I have been chasing that Burr Brown frequency be it in the car or in the stack.
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Post by urbino on Feb 7, 2024 17:58:55 GMT -5
Not familiar with a "Burr Brown frequency". I'm aware of Burr Brown chips, but that's it.
My current DAC, btw, isn't chip-based. It's a ladder DAC.
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Post by lizardonarock on Feb 7, 2024 18:12:53 GMT -5
Burr brown was a line of opamps, dacs, power conditioners depends on what you want.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 7, 2024 21:03:45 GMT -5
We'll have to disagree there. I've got a pair of Heresy's along the wall 90 degrees from my Tannoys. They only thing they do better to my ears is throw the vocalists farther out in front of the speaker plane. Everything else, and overall, I strongly prefer the Tannoys. Seeing that you have both, I defer to your experience on that. I have never heard a side by side comparison. Besides, if I didn’t like the new Heresy’s, I could sell them and buy a new set of Tannoy  The room setup makes a lot of difference if you are doing an A/B. And one speaker won't like the same location and angle as the other. They're both good. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 7, 2024 21:05:24 GMT -5
Seeing that you have both, I defer to your experience on that. I have never heard a side by side comparison. Besides, if I didn’t like the new Heresy’s, I could sell them and buy a new set of Tannoy We all like different things. That's what makes it fun. And something we like one year will be replaced 2 years later by something that probably isn't as good. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 7, 2024 21:10:04 GMT -5
We all like different things. That's what makes it fun. Kinda funny that you would say that when we own almost identical speakers and the same preamp if I’m not mistaken. To get Tannoys that sounded better than the Heresys, you would need to take out a line. 😉 |
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 7, 2024 21:12:22 GMT -5
So, you youngsters, what percentage of your playlist is Taylor Swift and Billie Elish?
Or Rap?
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Post by lizardonarock on Feb 7, 2024 21:18:15 GMT -5
Off with his head non of that drivel shall taint my speakers.
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Post by username on Feb 7, 2024 21:27:24 GMT -5
So, you youngsters, what percentage of your playlist is Taylor Swift and Billie Elish? Or Rap? 42 and couldn't name a song by either. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 7, 2024 21:39:23 GMT -5
Any of you guys ever heard a properly set up pair of Bose 901s? I had another roommate that had a pair and I loved them super soundstage image and almost no rough edges. I couldn't afford a new pair at the time and later I got the LaScalas. I looked at a ton of new ones over the years, but there was always a problem with them. They need the cones replaced about every 6-10 years and that costs about a grand. The other thing is that they have to be used with the equalizer. Most of the used ones I looked at either didn't have the equalizer or it couldn't be auditioned. Still, for all the issues, they sound great. I wouldn't have any other Bose speaker, especially their Pro line. Every sound company I talked to tried to sell me on that crap. I went to school for sound reinforcement design and I designed the perfect system the the sales guys wouldn't sell me because they didn't know anything. I ended up with EAW LA151 speakers special ordered with wood that matched the 35 year old blonde wood in the sanctuary. They are similar to the Heresys except bigger. Drove them with a stack of Crown amps. I needed to get them broken in, so after getting approval, I played a Led Zeppelin CD quite loudly from noon Wednesday to late Saturday night.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 7, 2024 21:39:53 GMT -5
Off with his head non of that drivel shall taint my speakers. 🤣 |
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 7, 2024 21:40:28 GMT -5
So, you youngsters, what percentage of your playlist is Taylor Swift and Billie Elish? Or Rap? 42 and couldn't name a song by either. I couldn't either, whippersnapper! 😂 |
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Post by lizardonarock on Feb 7, 2024 21:41:32 GMT -5
Just for Ron I will pour one out and play a swiftie tune.
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Post by turbocat on Feb 7, 2024 21:56:18 GMT -5
So, you youngsters, what percentage of your playlist is Taylor Swift and Billie Elish? Or Rap? I’ve heard their names, but that’s about it. That’s not to say there aren’t any good newer musicians/bands, but they are frightfully few and far between. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 7, 2024 21:57:11 GMT -5
Just for Ron I will pour one out and play a swiftie tune. Should probably be tequila. |
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Post by lizardonarock on Feb 8, 2024 16:07:39 GMT -5
Is the Tequlia Ron Whites Juan or just any Teguila do?
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 8, 2024 21:18:40 GMT -5
Is the Tequlia Ron Whites Juan or just any Teguila do? I imagine any high maintenance tequila should work. |
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Post by lizardonarock on Feb 8, 2024 21:37:45 GMT -5
I had my heart set pouring Wild Rose or a Malt based 40 having watched all the John Singleton movies.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 8, 2024 21:50:09 GMT -5
I had my heart set pouring Wild Rose or a Malt based 40 having watched all the John Singleton movies. Those are fine unless you are listening to the latest talent. |
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Post by lizardonarock on Feb 9, 2024 23:02:17 GMT -5
Been getting curious about a DAC upgrade my mother board has the ESS Sabre DAC then I use the Schiit Modius. But the Bifrost is the next step up. Probably a big waste of money but it does have the same footprint as the Magnius head phone balanced amp.
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Post by urbino on Feb 9, 2024 23:32:04 GMT -5
Been getting curious about a DAC upgrade my mother board has the ESS Sabre DAC then I use the Schiit Modius. But the Bifrost is the next step up. Probably a big waste of money but it does have the same footprint as the Magnius head phone balanced amp. I lose track of their models. Is the Bifrost one of the multibit ones? |
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