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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 14:10:07 GMT -5
I love eBay. It has kept me entertained and supplied with stuff I need for 20+ years. And given me an outlet to dispose of items I no longer need. Let the flaming begin. Tell me how I am in league with Satan. Well now we know why you wear that hat .. .. .. to hide your horns!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 14:51:09 GMT -5
I need hats and probably a hockey mask to hide the ugly!
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Post by stone on Jun 19, 2019 16:24:05 GMT -5
I love eBay. It has kept me entertained and supplied with stuff I need for 20+ years. And given me an outlet to dispose of items I no longer need. Let the flaming begin. Tell me how I am in league with Satan. LOL It has afforded me the chance to buy a few and sell a few things. I just despise dishonest business practice and they promote it. By the time you pay Ebay and Paypal/Ebay fees, a $25 sale nets you $20 and they harbor scam artists, offer horrible customer service, and employ people with sub-standard IQ. But other than that, they are great! LOL |
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Post by instymp on Jun 19, 2019 16:57:57 GMT -5
Wierd, I thought I pay for most of my tobacco with PayPal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 17:32:24 GMT -5
I love eBay. It has kept me entertained and supplied with stuff I need for 20+ years. And given me an outlet to dispose of items I no longer need. Let the flaming begin. Tell me how I am in league with Satan. I like eBay too! No complaints at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 0:07:14 GMT -5
It is not any worse than selling things on consignment, really. Consignment fees in gun shops run 15-20%. Second hand sporting good store down the road has a 30% fee. Auction houses take a serious cut. Not sure why people expect a business to give you free service.
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Post by trailboss on Jun 20, 2019 0:37:05 GMT -5
It is not any worse than selling things on consignment, really. Consignment fees in gun shops run 15-20%. Second hand sporting good store down the road has a 30% fee. Auction houses take a serious cut. Not sure why people expect a business to give you free service. You have a point...and you wear a pointy hat.  |
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 20, 2019 5:56:46 GMT -5
It is not any worse than selling things on consignment, really. Consignment fees in gun shops run 15-20%. Second hand sporting good store down the road has a 30% fee. Auction houses take a serious cut. Not sure why people expect a business to give you free service. makes sense to me. |
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Post by kxg on Jun 20, 2019 20:36:51 GMT -5
It's expressly forbidden by eBay rules. No way, no how. Not "for collectible value," not because it's 100 years old, none. No tobacco. No leaf, no stem, no ribbon. It's also expressly forbidden by paypal. It's also illegal in most states. I want to say more than 40. Selling tobacco without a license is not a fun conversation to have. So have fun getting banned from eBay, banned from PayPal, and prosecuted by state authorities. Will any of these happen? not certainly Can you expect them to happen when you knowingly break the rules and the law? sure. Absolutely correct. eBay rules are specific, no tobacco of any sort for any reason can be sold on eBay. Collectible tins must be empty of tobacco and listings must include an image of the empty tin. eBay is also an amoral money oriented entity, so while they make a pretense of not allowing the sales of tobacco they also have categories to support the sale of tobacco. However, as a seller you have no rights or recourse if one of your sales goes pear shaped. The money you received will be clawed back and your tobacco will be confiscated and destroyed. Every now and then eBay makes a pretense of enforcing their "rules" and sellers lose their stuff. I suspect it's in response to a complaint lodged with a governmental agency. Then it's "All's Quiet on the Western Front" until the next time eBay has to make some pretense to ward off some punitive action. Sellers are collateral damage in all of this. Just keep this in mind if you decide to sell tobacco on eBay. You never know when a tank will roll over you. I’m curious as to how “...your tobacco will be confiscated and destroyed.” EBay never has possession of merchandise. They can “claw back” payments and refund money, but they can’t get their hands on your tobacco, unless the buyer sends it to them. eBay doesn’t want that as they have no provision for storing/dealing with actual goods. The only thing eBay does is broker transactions and make money. If I’m mistaken about this, I need it explained. |
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Post by stone on Jun 21, 2019 6:09:52 GMT -5
It is not any worse than selling things on consignment, really. Consignment fees in gun shops run 15-20%. Second hand sporting good store down the road has a 30% fee. Auction houses take a serious cut. Not sure why people expect a business to give you free service. You are right about people expecting service for free. But I'll bet your local consignment shop isn't polluted with people trying to sell a wing-nut for $1000? A seller accepted an offer I made for two pipes and the holder pictured, he refused to send the holder, after a month of wrangling with non english speaking Ebay reps, literally reviwing word-by-word the offer and his acceptance, they said he was responsible to send it but closed the case anyway. I contacted American Express and now he will get $0 and negative feedback. I have no problem whatsoever paying Ebays fees and following their rules, their business practices is another story. Rant over, I am going to go play golf and see if I can break par LOL |
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 21, 2019 7:43:12 GMT -5
When people (sellers and buyers) are dishonest and fraudulent, it must make life difficult for ebay to arbitrate.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2019 10:08:02 GMT -5
It is not any worse than selling things on consignment, really. Consignment fees in gun shops run 15-20%. Second hand sporting good store down the road has a 30% fee. Auction houses take a serious cut. Not sure why people expect a business to give you free service. You have a point...and you wear a pointy hat.  👍👍👍 |
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Post by sablebrush52 on Jun 21, 2019 11:22:37 GMT -5
Absolutely correct. eBay rules are specific, no tobacco of any sort for any reason can be sold on eBay. Collectible tins must be empty of tobacco and listings must include an image of the empty tin. eBay is also an amoral money oriented entity, so while they make a pretense of not allowing the sales of tobacco they also have categories to support the sale of tobacco. However, as a seller you have no rights or recourse if one of your sales goes pear shaped. The money you received will be clawed back and your tobacco will be confiscated and destroyed. Every now and then eBay makes a pretense of enforcing their "rules" and sellers lose their stuff. I suspect it's in response to a complaint lodged with a governmental agency. Then it's "All's Quiet on the Western Front" until the next time eBay has to make some pretense to ward off some punitive action. Sellers are collateral damage in all of this. Just keep this in mind if you decide to sell tobacco on eBay. You never know when a tank will roll over you. I’m curious as to how “...your tobacco will be confiscated and destroyed.” EBay never has possession of merchandise. They can “claw back” payments and refund money, but they can’t get their hands on your tobacco, unless the buyer sends it to them. eBay doesn’t want that as they have no provision for storing/dealing with actual goods. The only thing eBay does is broker transactions and make money. If I’m mistaken about this, I need it explained. Not actually true. In an arbitration eBay can order the merchandise returned to them if so desired and act as middlemen. So, yes, they can confiscate your contraband. And yes, they can dispose of it. I think it's pretty rare, just liker eBay's enforcement of their rules, but I'm aware of two sellers who had this happen to them. Mostly though, it's just that eBay claws back the money and leaves it at that. The buyer has no obligation to return your merchandise since you were involved in illegal activity. I suppose that's another form of confiscation. And if the buyer smokes up your tobacco after your payment has been clawed back, I guess it's been destroyed. |
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Post by kxg on Jun 21, 2019 16:10:06 GMT -5
I’m curious as to how “...your tobacco will be confiscated and destroyed.” EBay never has possession of merchandise. They can “claw back” payments and refund money, but they can’t get their hands on your tobacco, unless the buyer sends it to them. eBay doesn’t want that as they have no provision for storing/dealing with actual goods. The only thing eBay does is broker transactions and make money. If I’m mistaken about this, I need it explained. Not actually true. In an arbitration eBay can order the merchandise returned to them if so desired and act as middlemen. So, yes, they can confiscate your contraband. And yes, they can dispose of it. I think it's pretty rare, just liker eBay's enforcement of their rules, but I'm aware of two sellers who had this happen to them. Mostly though, it's just that eBay claws back the money and leaves it at that. The buyer has no obligation to return your merchandise since you were involved in illegal activity. I suppose that's another form of confiscation. And if the buyer smokes up your tobacco after your payment has been clawed back, I guess it's been destroyed. A couple of things: First, I absolutely agree that selling tobacco on eBay is in violation of their rules and a crapshoot at best. If “apprehended” you have no recourse. Second, eBay’s terms of arbitration state that the arbitration takes place under the direction of the American Arbitration Association and according to their rules. The third party arbitrator makes the judgement and any awards. While perhaps somebody might confiscate your tobacco, it appears unlikely it would be eBay. As seller you seem to risk, at minimum, losing your money and the buyer will be in possession of your tobacco with no recourse on your part. At best, not a good marketing strategy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 7:25:36 GMT -5
I have not ever bought or sold tobacco on eBay. My preferred venue for doing that would be the forums or Pipestud's site. I utilize eBay and Etsy for moving or acquiring pipes. I have found several nice pipes over the years on both sites.
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Post by stone on Jun 22, 2019 7:48:18 GMT -5
I’m curious as to how “...your tobacco will be confiscated and destroyed.” EBay never has possession of merchandise. They can “claw back” payments and refund money, but they can’t get their hands on your tobacco, unless the buyer sends it to them. eBay doesn’t want that as they have no provision for storing/dealing with actual goods. The only thing eBay does is broker transactions and make money. If I’m mistaken about this, I need it explained. Not actually true. In an arbitration eBay can order the merchandise returned to them if so desired and act as middlemen. So, yes, they can confiscate your contraband. And yes, they can dispose of it. I think it's pretty rare, just liker eBay's enforcement of their rules, but I'm aware of two sellers who had this happen to them. Mostly though, it's just that eBay claws back the money and leaves it at that. The buyer has no obligation to return your merchandise since you were involved in illegal activity. I suppose that's another form of confiscation. And if the buyer smokes up your tobacco after your payment has been clawed back, I guess it's been destroyed. LOL. Destroyed in a series of small, smoldering, fires |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 23:06:56 GMT -5
For it to be against their policy, there sure is an incredible amount of pipe tobacco on Ebay. Just check the completed items listings of Esoterica blends.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 21:04:39 GMT -5
For it to be against their policy, there sure is an incredible amount of pipe tobacco on Ebay. Just check the completed items listings of Esoterica blends. The fact that eBay doesn't allow tobacco to be sold was news to me for this very reason, Marty. |
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Post by briarbuck on Jun 25, 2019 8:28:14 GMT -5
I have no problem breaking STUPID rules. In fact, we all should just to keep "the man" in check.
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Post by stone on Jun 25, 2019 9:18:02 GMT -5
It has very little to do with "the rules" ....... Ebay puts up tons and tons of rules and then picks and chooses which ones to enforce, and for whom.
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Post by trailboss on Jun 25, 2019 9:57:16 GMT -5
It has very little to do with "the rules" ....... Ebay puts up tons and tons of rules and then picks and chooses which ones to enforce, and for whom. Ain’t that the truth. We are seeing it with big tech in spades in online content, at first glance it seems arbitrary, but the devil is in the details. |
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Post by stone on Jun 25, 2019 10:02:19 GMT -5
It has very little to do with "the rules" ....... Ebay puts up tons and tons of rules and then picks and chooses which ones to enforce, and for whom. Ain’t that the truth. We are seeing it with big tech in spades in online content, at first glance it seems arbitrary, but the devil is in the details. Unfortunately, it's the American way  See how deep you can bury the truth. |
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Post by sablebrush52 on Jun 25, 2019 11:38:01 GMT -5
On another forum, in a current thread, the buyer was bemoaning that eBay had taken physical possession of and subsequently destroyed, a vintage 1930's tin that he had bought. Evidently it was being sent through their global shipping service when they seized the tin and destroyed it, notified the buyer, and refunded his money. The buyer wasn't even keen on smoking it. He wanted it for the gestalt of having a'30's tin of tobacco for his collection.
eBay is amoral and ethically rudderless. They traffic in all sorts of contraband and provide a safe haven for intellectual property theft. Keep that in mind when dealing with them.
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Post by sperrytops on Jun 25, 2019 11:49:10 GMT -5
I have not ever bought or sold tobacco on eBay. My preferred venue for doing that would be the forums or Pipestud's site. I utilize eBay and Etsy for moving or acquiring pipes. I have found several nice pipes over the years on both sites. I rarely ever use eBay anymore. I've discovered if there is a merchant on eBay that you know and like, they'll deal with you outside eBay (direct). I've done that. Their stuff is listed as Buy it Now, rather than auction and use eBay to extend their otherwise normal online business. However I don't buy tobacco on eBay as it's normally scalper prices anyway. I'd rather buy the tobacco I know and like anyway, and get a lot of it, and not pay a fortune for an ancient tin that may not be a good smoke. Just my opinion. |
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Post by trailboss on Jun 25, 2019 12:18:54 GMT -5
Ebay sure has the carpet nailed down firm on an initial contact with a seller trying to do business outside of their marketplace... I tried it, and they were on me like white on rice.
Your approach makes a lot of sense, and you might be able to negotiate a discount.
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Post by stone on Jun 25, 2019 17:57:26 GMT -5
On another forum, in a current thread, the buyer was bemoaning that eBay had taken physical possession of and subsequently destroyed, a vintage 1930's tin that he had bought. Evidently it was being sent through their global shipping service when they seized the tin and destroyed it, notified the buyer, and refunded his money. The buyer wasn't even keen on smoking it. He wanted it for the gestalt of having a'30's tin of tobacco for his collection. eBay is amoral and ethically rudderless. They traffic in all sorts of contraband and provide a safe haven for intellectual property theft. Keep that in mind when dealing with them. Well said. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 22:45:58 GMT -5
My friend has 2 of the 8oz bags of Stonehaven that he wanted me to list on Ebay for him, but now I'm not sure if I want to do that.
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Post by ben888 on Jun 28, 2019 12:47:42 GMT -5
We'll buy them)))
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 13:04:34 GMT -5
Ebay sure has the carpet nailed down firm on an initial contact with a seller trying to do business outside of their marketplace... I tried it, and they were on me like white on rice. Your approach makes a lot of sense, and you might be able to negotiate a discount. eBay has the software to pick up if your messaging a seller your email address, stops that shite immediately. What I do to get over that minor hurdle is write my email address on white paper, take a picture and send within messages to seller as a jpeg.......worked every time👌👍👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 13:05:51 GMT -5
My friend has 2 of the 8oz bags of Stonehaven that he wanted me to list on Ebay for him, but now I'm not sure if I want to do that. They’d sell here on the Patch and you would be doing a member or two a favor👍 |
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