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Post by sperrytops on Jul 8, 2019 18:11:47 GMT -5
Just announced ......
Scandinavian Tobacco Group A/S acquires premium pipe tobacco brands
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July 03, 2019 07:58 ET | Source: Scandinavian Tobacco Group A/S
Scandinavian Tobacco Group A/S has closed a deal to acquire certain pipe tobacco trademarks and designs from Dunhill Tobacco Company of London Limited, a subsidiary of British American Tobacco p.l.c. Included in the deal are premium pipe tobacco trademarks such as Early Morning Pipe, Nightcap, Royal Yacht and Elizabethan Mixture that were previously sold under the Dunhill brand and carry a solid reputation as well as premium positioning. The price paid is confidential, but immaterial.
Scandinavian Tobacco Group will market the acquired trademarks as sub-brands to existing brands in the company’s portfolio. The acquisition strengthens Scandinavian Tobacco Group’s product range in the premium pipe tobacco segment in important pipe tobacco markets such as the US, Germany and across Asia.
Regis Broersma, Senior Vice President for Scandinavian Tobacco Group’s Smoking Tobacco & Accessories Division says: “We are very happy and proud to add these well-known pipe tobacco brands to our existing strong portfolio. They will enhance our offering to our consumers – and we look forward to protect and explore the full potential of the portfolio by leveraging our sales and marketing competencies.”
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Post by sperrytops on Jul 8, 2019 18:14:02 GMT -5
Sorry, made in error in title of thread, but I think you know what I mean.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jul 8, 2019 18:23:43 GMT -5
This was welcome news indeed. A few YouTubers I follow were talking about it.
Even if the blends change, it will be fun to try the new ones.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 18:38:24 GMT -5
These Dunhill blends are too good to be gone for long. Since STG has been making these blends for BAT for years, I don't think they will differ from the last iteration.  |
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Post by cgvt on Jul 8, 2019 18:39:36 GMT -5
How many pipe smokers does it take to smoke a "new" blend?
Three
One to smoke it and two to talk about how much worse it is than the original...
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jul 8, 2019 19:21:13 GMT -5
These Dunhill blends are too good to be gone for long. Since STG has been making these blends for BAT for years, I don't think they will differ from the last iteration. Oh cool. I didn't know that. |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jul 8, 2019 19:23:52 GMT -5
How many pipe smokers does it take to smoke a "new" blend? Three One to smoke it and two to talk about how much worse it is than the original... Hahahaha This reminds me of one of my favourite guitar jokes.. 'How many guitarists does it take to change the tubes in an amplifier? Three. One to change the tubes and two to stand around talking about how much better the old tubes sound.' |
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Post by chasingembers on Jul 9, 2019 4:16:05 GMT -5
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Post by daveinlax on Jul 9, 2019 5:48:28 GMT -5
I found it interesting that the flagship My Mixture 965 in not on the list.  |
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 9, 2019 5:59:26 GMT -5
That's good news. I just bought a tin of the charatan version of emp. I might try the 'new' version of emp and compare both with the old version that I have.
Will they still go under the dunhill name?
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 9, 2019 6:01:10 GMT -5
I found it interesting that the flagship My Mixture 965 in not on the list. The notice said, 'blends such as...' so I'm hoping that the others will be there as well, but they decided not to write an exhaustative list. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 9, 2019 6:07:45 GMT -5
Sorry, made in error in title of thread, but I think you know what I mean. I changed it to what I THINK you meant. If it's wrong, let me know and I'll correct it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 15:05:19 GMT -5
That's good news. I just bought a tin of the charatan version of emp. I might try the 'new' version of emp and compare both with the old version that I have. Will they still go under the dunhill name? Sounds like they will be released with the blend name and tin art, but under another brand name that STG owns (i.e., Orlik, Stokkebye, etc). |
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 9, 2019 15:07:46 GMT -5
That's good news. I just bought a tin of the charatan version of emp. I might try the 'new' version of emp and compare both with the old version that I have. Will they still go under the dunhill name? Sounds like they will be released with the blend name and tin art, but under another brand name that STG owns (i.e., Orlik, Stokkebye, etc). Ahhh. Maybe so. Thanks |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jul 9, 2019 15:25:01 GMT -5
I found it interesting that the flagship My Mixture 965 in not on the list. The notice said, 'blends such as...' so I'm hoping that the others will be there as well, but they decided not to write an exhaustative list. I was just reading it and thinking the same thing. And, it's business. If STG can make a profit off a blend, I'm sure we'll see it on offer. Wouldn't hold my breath for Ready Rubbed. haha They may even let Aperitif slide, since it's just not as popular as the other English offerings. |
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Post by sperrytops on Jul 9, 2019 15:59:02 GMT -5
Sorry, made in error in title of thread, but I think you know what I mean. I changed it to what I THINK you meant. If it's wrong, let me know and I'll correct it. Correct interpretation. Thank you for fixing. I was typing while trying to hold a 7 month old in my lap. It didn't quit work out. |
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Post by daveinlax on Jul 9, 2019 18:41:19 GMT -5
The notice said, 'blends such as...' so I'm hoping that the others will be there as well, but they decided not to write an exhaustative list. I was just reading it and thinking the same thing. And, it's business. If STG can make a profit off a blend, I'm sure we'll see it on offer. Wouldn't hold my breath for Ready Rubbed. haha They may even let Aperitif slide, since it's just not as popular as the other English offerings. I'm guessing MM965 outsold all the other mixtures combined by several times and I wonder if they didn't want to part with the My Mixture trademark that is synonymous with Dunhill. I guess we'll see. |
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Post by BrunoT on Jul 10, 2019 3:22:05 GMT -5
This was very welcome news for me. I like some of the Dunhill blends enough to buy a tin regularly, but not enough to hoard them. I found out that it's rarely worth it for myself.
It feels nice to know that I will be able to walk into a store and grab a tin when I feel like it. If I understand correctly though, Navy Rolls aren't included in the STG deal. Those were my favorite.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Jul 10, 2019 10:29:15 GMT -5
To be accurate, Dunhill Tobaccos haven't been made since the early 1980's are unlikely to ever be coming back. When Dunhill licensed Murray's to continue making the blends, Murray's changed the more involved recipes to make them simpler and less expensive to make. Actual Dunhill tobaccos were quite luxurious, time consuming, and costly to make.
Navy Rolls wasn't a Dunhill blend. It was added to the line up by Murray's. What's possibly returning aren't Dunhill tobaccos in any sense that Dunhill would have recognized. They're just blends that used the name.
None of this matters if you never smoked Dunhill tobaccos. Clearly STG realized that the blends were worthless without the tin are and the blend names to add some level of familiarity to them. Now they can use the tin art and the blend names, and you can buy them with the potential confidence that the formerly Dunhill branded blends that you enjoyed will once more be available.
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Post by trailboss on Jul 10, 2019 10:40:29 GMT -5
So true with so many other blends also....I have heard the same said about Rattray's, people that liked the original often do not like what the current offerings are and will not buy them...I never got spoiled with the good stuff and am content with the current production.
Sometimes it works in your favor to never have had the good stuff.
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Post by sperrytops on Jul 10, 2019 11:49:36 GMT -5
So true with so many other blends also....I have heard the same said about Rattray's, people that liked the original often do not like what the current offerings are and will not buy them...I never got spoiled with the good stuff and am content with the current production. Sometimes it works in your favor to never have had the good stuff. I would imagine there is a long list of tobaccos you could say the same of. Given that there is a greater variety of tobacco available today than yesteryear, I would think there are some new ones that outshine the old boys. Just guessing myself as the only tobaccos I smoked between the 70's and the 90's included Erinmore Flake and Rattray's Accountants Mixture, Then I got hold of a Frog Morton tin and all changed. Didn't try any Dunhill tobaccos till post 2000. |
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Post by sablebrush52 on Jul 10, 2019 11:58:55 GMT -5
So true with so many other blends also....I have heard the same said about Rattray's, people that liked the original often do not like what the current offerings are and will not buy them...I never got spoiled with the good stuff and am content with the current production. Sometimes it works in your favor to never have had the good stuff. Now Charlie, you shouldn't go around Bowdlerizing my text. I meant EXACTLY what I wrote. If you didn't smoke Dunhill factory manufactured tobaccos, you haven't smoked Dunhill tobacco. You haven't experienced their mixtures of Old Belt American and Empire leaf. Those tobaccos no longer are being cultivated, harvested, or processed. You might even have liked the clone better than the real thing, which could be quite fermented, full, and rich. Aficionados of Dunhill's tobacco blends used to remark on their "glorious stink". You have smoked Dunhill BRANDED tobaccos and that's fine. You haven't smoked Dunhill tobacco. STG never made Dunhill tobacco. They made tobacco that had a leased Dunhill name. They are perfectly good blends, but they're not Dunhill tobacco. Simple. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 10, 2019 12:06:36 GMT -5
So true with so many other blends also....I have heard the same said about Rattray's, people that liked the original often do not like what the current offerings are and will not buy them...I never got spoiled with the good stuff and am content with the current production. Sometimes it works in your favor to never have had the good stuff. Now Charlie, you shouldn't go around Bowdlerizing my text. I meant EXACTLY what I wrote. If you didn't smoke Dunhill factory manufactured tobaccos, you haven't smoked Dunhill tobacco. You haven't experienced their mixtures of Old Belt American and Empire leaf. Those tobaccos no longer are being cultivated, harvested, or processed. You might even have liked the clone better than the real thing, which could be quite fermented, full, and rich. Aficionados of Dunhill's tobacco blends used to remark on their "glorious stink". You have smoked Dunhill BRANDED tobaccos and that's fine. You haven't smoked Dunhill tobacco. STG never made Dunhill tobacco. They made tobacco that had a leased Dunhill name. They are perfectly good blends, but they're not Dunhill tobacco. Simple. but could it be that trailboss has tried the original dunhill tobacco? |
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Post by BrunoT on Jul 10, 2019 12:25:36 GMT -5
Like it was said, it’s all the same to me. I call it Dunhill for ease of reference: comes out much shorter than “blends produced under the Dunhill brand”  Being 24, it can’t mean anything else hah |
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Post by trailboss on Jul 10, 2019 12:33:37 GMT -5
The reason that I italicized and added “original” to your quote Jesse, is to point to a casual skimming observer the context in which you spoke about tobacco’s made by Dunhill, as opposed to the “Dunhill” tobaccos most of us have probably never smoked.
It wasn’t meant to take anything from what was said, just an acknowledgement.
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Post by trailboss on Jul 10, 2019 13:10:47 GMT -5
The reason that I italicized and added “original” to your quote Jesse, is to point to a casual skimming observer the context in which you spoke about tobacco’s made by Dunhill, as opposed to the “Dunhill” tobaccos most of us have probably never smoked. It wasn’t meant to take anything from what was said, just an acknowledgement.
The reason that I italicized and added “original” to your quote Jesse, is to point to a casual skimming observer the context in which you spoke about tobacco’s made by Dunhill, as opposed to the “Dunhill” tobaccos most of us have only smoked.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 13:21:41 GMT -5
trailboss: the one way nature of internet posting (and email) can be frustrating, but your point is not misunderstood. ++++
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Post by trailboss on Jul 10, 2019 13:46:45 GMT -5
trailboss : the one way nature of internet posting (and email) can be frustrating, but your point is not misunderstood. ++++ Frustrating indeed. I rarely get involved in misunderstandings of what is meant over a cup of coffee, the digital media however....  On another forum unrelated on a different hobby I posted once and had to head out of town with no internet.... five days later the thread evolved into something that had nothing to do with the intent of my post, and it took on a life of it's own...that was a ball of yarn to untangle! No disrespect to anything mentioned here, I understand from other perspectives on how it is received. |
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Post by Spartacus on Jul 10, 2019 13:51:26 GMT -5
Maybe I'm reading this wrong or misinterpreting it. It looks like STG brought the Trademarks, which is the names of the blends. It doesn't say the bought the recipes or manufacturing facilities or the rights to recreate the blends. They bought the names to use however they want.
Am I wrong?
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 10, 2019 13:56:28 GMT -5
I just checked my cellar and my Dunhill tins are still there. I don't believe that they have been anywhere. 😎🤠
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