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Post by Plainsman on Oct 22, 2022 14:09:47 GMT -5
.45ACP or .45 auto means the same thing and a round can be labeled as ".45ACP" or .45AUTO depending on manufacture. Even differing pistols are called as chambered in .45ACP or auto and ACP obviously means Automatic Colt Pistol cartridge. Most of my ammunition for example is labeled as .45 ACP but my Speer Lawman is all labeled 45 AUTO. The difference is only in auto vs Colt or Long Colt. If we really must wax pedantic, then the difference in ACP or Auto only came down to trademark. When it came time to standardize naming, Automatic Colt Pistol was a trademark name and so "Automatic" was used in it's stead to avoid trademark liability. Glocks are stamped .45 AUTO on the slide, my Beretta Cougar 8045 is marked .45ACP. Simply interchangeable. SAAMI coined .45 Automatic in the late 1920's to avoid using the Colt Trademark in their database. It’s trivial, but nevertheless SAAMI sets specs and nomenclature for ammunition. ACP is still “Automatic Colt’s Pistol” and not “Automatic Colt’s Pistol Ammunition.” SAAMI says 45AUTO. And… there is no “45 Long Colt.” It’s just plain ol’ “45 Colt.” ACP and AUTO have become almost interchangeable but if we wax pedantic it really ain’t so. (Why is it when someone wants to be precise about something they are suddenly pedantic? Like when they politely correct a semi-literate dolt they are a “grammar nazi”? Hmm.) |
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Post by toshtego on Oct 22, 2022 14:58:53 GMT -5
Discharging any Magnum revolver inside a structure without ear protection will have consequences for the shooter. When I was an Explorer Scout we were at one of the guys house and his dad brought out a 44 Magnum revolver. Had to be a S&W as there wasn't anything else. Anyway, he handed it to Joe and Joe, thinking it was unloaded, pulled the trigger. Luckily for me I was on the front porch. Bullet went through the kitchen stove and the floor. And then the shrieking began. I hate to read that. Training, training, training. Second nature. Glad no one was injured. My thumb slipped on a Ruger Vaquero, .45 Colt Long, leaving a nice hole inside my adobe building. |
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Post by don on Oct 22, 2022 15:09:59 GMT -5
When I was an Explorer Scout we were at one of the guys house and his dad brought out a 44 Magnum revolver. Had to be a S&W as there wasn't anything else. Anyway, he handed it to Joe and Joe, thinking it was unloaded, pulled the trigger. Luckily for me I was on the front porch. Bullet went through the kitchen stove and the floor. And then the shrieking began. I hate to read that. Training, training, training. Second nature. Glad no one was injured. My thumb slipped on a Ruger Vaquero, .45 Colt Long, leaving a nice hole inside my adobe building. Was it a 45 Colt or a 45 Colt Long? Heehee.🤪 |
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 22, 2022 15:26:42 GMT -5
Maybe a 45 Short Colt. It was indoors after all.
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Post by Zach on Oct 22, 2022 15:27:23 GMT -5
Because hey, there's no ill-will or intent in my saying this, but we're being pedantic by definition, and ACP and AUTO mean the same thing. The chamber of the barrel and the ammo are both ACP or auto, full stop. And yes, Long Colt is nothing but a nickname for the 45 colt round. I have no issue debating something and being friendly simultaneously. I agree about the over use of the word "Nazi" applied to something one doesn't like. I'm also anal about grammar usage myself. Being formally precise is pedantic by definition, and throwing in "Like correcting grammar is a 'grammar Nazi,'" is a strawman fallacy. Not something that was part of the discussion in the first place.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 22, 2022 16:04:59 GMT -5
When I hear "45",I think of the Colt auto. If I hear "45 Colt" that means the big revolver round. I have a 45 1911, a 450 Bushmaster, and a couple of 45-70s. I like the number 45! I almost got the 45 Colt Blackhawk, but I had been reading a lot of Elmer and Skeeter and such so I got the 44 Special instead.
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Post by toshtego on Oct 22, 2022 16:29:24 GMT -5
When I hear "45",I think of the Colt auto. If I hear "45 Colt" that means the big revolver round. I have a 45 1911, a 450 Bushmaster, and a couple of 45-70s. I like the number 45! I almost got the 45 Colt Blackhawk, but I had been reading a lot of Elmer and Skeeter and such so I got the 44 Special instead. Those are the times we live in. When someone mentions a ".45" I think Model of 1911. |
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 22, 2022 16:44:35 GMT -5
I’m not in bear country very often, but when I am my carry of choice is a 7-1/2” Blackhawk 45 Colt with Buffalo Bore 260gr @ 1450FPS and 1214FPE. Makes the 44 Mag (even from them) look a bit wimpy. Need I say NOT fun to shoot? (Not fun for the exchequer either at $2.60 a round plus postage.)
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Post by don on Oct 22, 2022 16:47:01 GMT -5
When I hear "45",I think of the Colt auto. If I hear "45 Colt" that means the big revolver round. I have a 45 1911, a 450 Bushmaster, and a couple of 45-70s. I like the number 45! I almost got the 45 Colt Blackhawk, but I had been reading a lot of Elmer and Skeeter and such so I got the 44 Special instead. If there was a 45 Special, I would buy it. 🤪 Because it is special. I am partial to 38 Special and 44 Special. We need factory 41 Specials, not just custom revolvers. I have pondered some of the Single Six conversions in 41 Special. I see my 10mm GP100 as something similar to that when I download it or shoot 40 S&W in it. |
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 22, 2022 16:48:57 GMT -5
There is, Don. It’s called the 45 Casull.  |
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Post by toshtego on Oct 22, 2022 17:04:15 GMT -5
I’m not in bear country very often, but when I am my carry of choice is a 7-1/2” Blackhawk 45 Colt with Buffalo Bore 260gr @ 1450FPS and 1214FPE. Makes the 44 Mag (even from them) look a bit wimpy. Need I say NOT fun to shoot? (Not fun for the exchequer either at $2.60 a round plus postage.) I stay out of Griz Country. When William Shatner starts marketing a Phaser Pistol for the citizenry, I may return. Meanwhile, Black Bears are us. Nightly visits to the fruit trees here. Big poop piles in morning. I leave the Black Bears alone at night. I might have to bring in the garbage bin I have yet to haul to the transfer station. Mossberg Slugster on standby but it would take a major aggression for me to haul it out. |
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Post by don on Oct 22, 2022 17:19:01 GMT -5
There is, Don. It’s called the 45 Casull. No, that is in the other direction. More of a 45 Magnum. I guess the old S&W 45 that was in the Schofield would be the equivalent. |
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Post by instymp on Oct 22, 2022 17:19:58 GMT -5
All in all, the 45AUTO is probably the best in-house self-defense caliber. Relatively low blast and flash but excellent stopping power. The absolute worst would be a short-barreled .357. (PS… 45ACP is the gun; 45AUTO is the cartridge. Not the other way around.) That is why I keep my S&W Shield 45. Owned several 1911's & loved them but the shield is great, to me. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 22, 2022 17:20:39 GMT -5
When I hear "45",I think of the Colt auto. If I hear "45 Colt" that means the big revolver round. I have a 45 1911, a 450 Bushmaster, and a couple of 45-70s. I like the number 45! I almost got the 45 Colt Blackhawk, but I had been reading a lot of Elmer and Skeeter and such so I got the 44 Special instead. If there was a 45 Special, I would buy it. 🤪 Because it is special. I am partial to 38 Special and 44 Special. We need factory 41 Specials, not just custom revolvers. I have pondered some of the Single Six conversions in 41 Special. I see my 10mm GP100 as something similar to that when I download it or shoot 40 S&W in it. 45 Schofield=special. There is a 41 special, but I don't think that there's any factory ammo for it yet. I hate the Model 57. Hurt my hand worse than any other handgun I have shot. Tried both regular and target grips. Then there's this 41 Special.  |
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Post by instymp on Oct 22, 2022 17:23:39 GMT -5
All in all, the 45AUTO is probably the best in-house self-defense caliber. Relatively low blast and flash but excellent stopping power. The absolute worst would be a short-barreled .357. (PS… 45ACP is the gun; 45AUTO is the cartridge. Not the other way around.) Discharging any Magnum revolver inside a structure without ear protection will have consequences for the shooter. But... not as bad as the guy on the receiving end. |
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Post by don on Oct 22, 2022 17:24:12 GMT -5
I just read that the SASS shooters use a cartridge called the 45 Cowboy Special. Starline even makes brass for it. Hmmm.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 22, 2022 17:24:59 GMT -5
I just read that the SASS shooters use a cartridge called the 45 Cowboy Special. Starline even makes brass for it. Hmmm. A factory 45 is pretty mild anyway. |
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Post by don on Oct 22, 2022 18:57:46 GMT -5
I just read that the SASS shooters use a cartridge called the 45 Cowboy Special. Starline even makes brass for it. Hmmm. A factory 45 is pretty mild anyway. Standard middle of the road factory loads are pretty mild. What I don’t like, as a reloader, is all the wasted space in old black powder era cartridges, when loaded with smokeless powder. I think that is the reason I really like my GP100 in 10mm. A load of Power Pistol under a 200gr LSWC is perfect for my needs. |
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 22, 2022 19:11:10 GMT -5
Sorry, Don, I went the wrong way! I think (?) that Starline is making 45 S&W (Schofield) brass, and I bet somebody is making commercial ammo for the cowboy crowd.
Went over and looked at that “cowboy” brass. No dimensions given, but sure looks like the Schofield. (actual pedant name 45 S&W.)
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 22, 2022 19:11:32 GMT -5
A factory 45 is pretty mild anyway. Standard middle of the road factory loads are pretty mild. What I don’t like, as a reloader, is all the wasted space in old black powder era cartridges, when loaded with smokeless powder. I think that is the reason I really like my GP100 in 10mm. A load of Power Pistol under a 200gr LSWC is perfect for my needs. Get you a Ruger convertable and load 45 Rowlands in it. No wasted space in the cartridge. Nobody is loading Schofield. All the new Schofield replicas are 45 "Long" Colt. |
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Post by don on Oct 22, 2022 19:57:18 GMT -5
Standard middle of the road factory loads are pretty mild. What I don’t like, as a reloader, is all the wasted space in old black powder era cartridges, when loaded with smokeless powder. I think that is the reason I really like my GP100 in 10mm. A load of Power Pistol under a 200gr LSWC is perfect for my needs. Get you a Ruger convertable and load 45 Rowlands in it. No wasted space in the cartridge. Nobody is loading Schofield. All the new Schofield replicas are 45 "Long" Colt. I generally don’t like single actions any more. The ergonomics of the standard grip are not to my liking. I have had five Blackhawks and 3 Single Sixes. I prefer double actions the size of L-Frame Smiths, GP100s, Colt Troopers and such. I have two GP100s because they work really well for me. I will buy another 1860 Army Colt one day. The Army grip and Ruger’s Bisley grip do work well for my sausage finger catcher’s mitt hands. If I ever do get another single action, it will be this:  |
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 22, 2022 20:05:51 GMT -5
I have a Redhawk 45C/45A (without cylinder change). The 45A cartridge in that pistol is very much a “45 Special.”
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Post by don on Oct 22, 2022 20:26:13 GMT -5
I have a Redhawk 45C/45A (without cylinder change). The 45A cartridge in that pistol is very much a “45 Special.” I used to own a S&W 625 5”. I liked the moon clip option, but also loved reloading 45 Auto Rim. Funky, stubby cartridge. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 22, 2022 21:56:56 GMT -5
I have a Redhawk 45C/45A (without cylinder change). The 45A cartridge in that pistol is very much a “45 Special.” Sweet! |
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Post by don on Oct 27, 2022 22:56:58 GMT -5
Years back I had this King Cobra. I loved the way it looked and it was accurate, but my S&W 686 has a better trigger, is just as accurate and holds 7 rounds. The Colts shot up in price so much, that I sold this one and paid for something else with the proceeds.  |
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Post by billinrio on Oct 28, 2022 6:10:28 GMT -5
I just came upon this thread. Do you realize how strange this all reads from somebody from outside? America is really screwed.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Oct 28, 2022 7:49:39 GMT -5
 Strange?  ?. Really, giving you the Benifits of the doubt, strange good, or strange bad., proceed carefully,
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 28, 2022 8:19:18 GMT -5
I just came upon this thread. Do you realize how strange this all reads from somebody from outside? America is really screwed. Welcome, Bill. I assume you’re from Argentina? Really nice to have a wise, knowing outsider join us to let us know about our errant ways, and to have the courage to do so on just arriving. I look forward to more of your comments and lessons. It would be nice (and polite) if you would introduce yourself and let us know a little about yourself. It’s just something we do here. It would help us accept your instruction more readily. |
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Post by trailboss on Oct 28, 2022 9:48:11 GMT -5
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 28, 2022 11:39:11 GMT -5
I just came upon this thread. Do you realize how strange this all reads from somebody from outside? America is really screwed. We're normal. It's the subjects/slaves of the other governments that are screwed and always asking for our help. Have you ever shot a revolver? You might like it. If you depend on the police for your security, good luck. |
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Strange?
?. Really, giving you the Benifits of the doubt, strange good, or strange bad., proceed carefully, 