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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 30, 2019 20:54:20 GMT -5
You got a Model 52 38 Master target pistol? Fantastic! I had one in the 80s that I shot bullseye with. 3.2 grains of 231 under a hollow base wadcutter as I recall. I can't wait to get my reloading equipment set up again so I can load some Skeeter loads for my 44 Special Blackhawk.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 21:02:48 GMT -5
You got a Model 52 38 Master target pistol? Fantastic! I had one in the 80s that I shot bullseye with. 3.2 grains of 231 under a hollow base wadcutter as I recall. I can't wait to get my reloading equipment set up again so I can load some Skeeter loads for my 44 Special Blackhawk. I do, Ron! I had wanted one for probably 20 years. Always found reasons not to buy one. Finally jumped on a really nice one at a show in May. They are amazing target shooters. I shot 100 rounds of Federal full wadcutter factory ammo yesterday. All five case landed in a 1 foot circle every time. No FTF or FTE. Tiny groups at 25 yards. What a gun! |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 30, 2019 21:14:56 GMT -5
For the curious, the S&W Model 52 is a 38 Special semi automatic 5 shot target pistol, and each one is hand built by their best specialists. Who are probably all dead now. They are on a Model 39 sized frame and they're just sweet.
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I bought mine used for $400 in the early 80s and sold it to a friend for $350 in the 90's.
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Post by simnettpratt on Jul 31, 2019 6:33:35 GMT -5
As with planes, there's always guns you've never heard of. A 5-shot semi chambered in .38 Special wadcutter?? WTH? Hey, they might not all be dead. According to the S&W wiki, which is never wrong, the last one was made on July 23, 1993. The 30 year old machinery that made 'em finally broke down and it was deemed to costly to replace. Have never heard of the 52. Weirdest revolver ever   |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 7:04:17 GMT -5
They are weird, but oh so sweet. The recoil impulse is just a mild push. You don't lose your sight picture between shots. The slide feels very slow during recoil and probably is. They are classics. Magazines are expensive for them, usually around $150 and you have to feed them ammo that is precisely tailored for them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 7:24:19 GMT -5
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 31, 2019 9:20:31 GMT -5
The Model 52 should last hundreds of years. It isn't stressed in the least. It's a joy to shoot. Like a 22 auto, but with just enough more bang to make your smile a little bigger. You can be absolutely certain that your group reflects your shooting ability and the gun is doing it's job perfectly.
While not revolver, it is certainly interesting. When it comes to it only a Lemat is more interesting. đđ€
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Post by simnettpratt on Jul 31, 2019 9:28:54 GMT -5
I'd put the Chiappa up there as interesting and weird, though objectively it seems like a really good idea. Too bad it makes the revolver one of the ugliest seen in the visible universe, but I think it's an idea that should be more popular, like the .327 Fed Mag.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 31, 2019 10:40:18 GMT -5
I'd put the Chiappa up there as interesting and weird, though objectively it seems like a really good idea. Too bad it makes the revolver one of the ugliest seen in the visible universe, but I think it's an idea that should be more popular, like the .327 Fed Mag. You mean the Chiappa copy of the LeMat? It looks pretty much like the original. I wouldn't mind a Smith Airweight in 327,but I imagine that most of the power would be wasted on muzzle blast. Winchester's big 17 rimfire magnum is based on a 27 caliber nail gun cartridge. I would like to see NAA develop it into a 27 cal rimfire for their mini revolver. 90 grain bullet at 1000fps out of a 2 inch barrel. |
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Post by simnettpratt on Jul 31, 2019 11:34:08 GMT -5
I mean the Chiappa Rhino, doesn't have a second barrel, just fires from the bottom of the cylinder, but damn it be ugly. UGLY:  NOT UGLY:  |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 31, 2019 11:35:49 GMT -5
I mean the Chiappa Rhino, doesn't have a second barrel, just fires from the bottom of the cylinder, but damn it be ugly. UGLY: NOT UGLY: Gotcha. Yeah, they aren't pretty, but I heard that they shoot great. |
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Post by simnettpratt on Jul 31, 2019 11:44:43 GMT -5
Firing from the bottom just seems like an objective improvement to a classic design. If they would make one that looks like the 19 above, maybe the idea would catch on. I really like the numbers of the .327 too, and wish it would catch on, but I'm all talk - all my revolvers have been .38s or .357s. Firing from the top.
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Post by stone on Jul 31, 2019 12:42:19 GMT -5
I love this thread!
I have several Eastern Blok pistols and virtually every one of them improved immensely by adding a stronger return spring. Previously, the slide would violently hit the frame and rock the pistol sharply. A new, stronger, return spring made them shoot smooth as a baby's butt.
Russian Makarov 9x18
Hungarian PA-63 9x18
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Post by simnettpratt on Jul 31, 2019 13:43:16 GMT -5
So quick poll: Which is uglier, Chiappa Rhino or Taurus View?   Ick. This is why I don't want a Glock. I don't dispute their quality or reliability, it's just there's so many beautiful firearms I'd have to own a bunch before I bought a Glock. I can get a quality and reliable sidearm that's also beautiful, so...why not? Disclaimer: Ain't nothin' wrong with no Glock, I just find them homely |
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Post by stone on Jul 31, 2019 13:50:04 GMT -5
So quick poll: Which is uglier, Chiappa Rhino or Taurus View? Ick. This is why I don't want a Glock. I don't dispute their quality or reliability, it's just there's so many beautiful firearms I'd have to own a bunch before I bought a Glock. I can get a quality and reliable sidearm that's also beautiful, so...why not? Disclaimer: Ain't nothin' wrong with no Glock, I just find them homely Taurus by far IMHO. Those guns look like a few designers got stoned to the bejesus and slapped some interchangeable parts together.
My only Glock, a 26, came to me at such a screaming deal I couldn't say no. Plus unbeatable reliability is hard to sneeze at.
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Post by stone on Jul 31, 2019 13:51:43 GMT -5
I mean the Chiappa Rhino, doesn't have a second barrel, just fires from the bottom of the cylinder, but damn it be ugly. UGLY: NOT UGLY: I'm curious how the lower center of impact and lower center of gravity help with recoil? |
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Post by toshtego on Jul 31, 2019 14:08:13 GMT -5
Seems to me the Rino has a lot of empty space above the barrel. Couldn't they put a 20 gauge shot shell barrel up there kind of like an inverted Lematt .
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Post by simnettpratt on Jul 31, 2019 14:14:57 GMT -5
Everything I've read about the Rhino says the lower barrel helps considerably with felt recoil. It's more a backwards shove than an upwards flip, and help reacquiring the target too. Shh, the Taurus guys who came up with the .410/.45 Judge revolver might be listening |
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Post by instymp on Jul 31, 2019 17:02:28 GMT -5
I mean the Chiappa Rhino, doesn't have a second barrel, just fires from the bottom of the cylinder, but damn it be ugly. UGLY: NOT UGLY: Rhino looks like something out of some futuristic movie. Ugly. Don't care how good they shoot. Ugly. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 18:15:35 GMT -5
A center pin, 410 barrel could work on a re-engineered Rhino, I would think. Why not do that?
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 31, 2019 19:59:03 GMT -5
I have seen several cops carrying Rhinos, so they must have something going for them. I just saw a Rossi 12ga SxS pistol that they sell in Canada. Illegal as heck here.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 31, 2019 20:00:22 GMT -5
I tried a friend's Glock. I wouldn't even try to get used to that trigger.
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Post by simnettpratt on Jul 31, 2019 22:03:07 GMT -5
Let's not forget this one, from the guys that brought you the .410/.45 Judge and the View: the Curve. Not a revolver, a .380, but c'mon guys. The idea is it's easier to carry. Sorry, but I don't find the Taurus R&D department truly innovative, like the guys at Kel Tec are. Those guys come up with some cool and useful stuff, like the 30-round .22 Mag pistol or the 14+1 downward ejecting bullpup double barrel pump 12 ga. NOT COOL:  PRETTY COOL:  |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 31, 2019 22:38:44 GMT -5
Let's not forget this one, from the guys that brought you the .410/.45 Judge and the View: the Curve. Not a revolver, a .380, but c'mon guys. The idea is it's easier to carry. Sorry, but I don't find the Taurus R&D department truly innovative, like the guys at Kel Tec are. Those guys come up with some cool and useful stuff, like the 30-round .22 Mag pistol or the 14+1 downward ejecting bullpup double barrel pump 12 ga. NOT COOL: PRETTY COOL: The Curve has gotten really good reviews. It fits easily in the pocket and doesn't print, works 100% of the time, and doesn't cost a fortune. If you can actually find any of the popular Kel-Tec products good luck paying the store markup. The 30 round 22 Mag is known as a jam-o-matic. It only holds 27 rounds in real life. Now the Taurus Spectrum is their pocket dog. It is on sale for half price at Buds because it doesn't work. They have about a 60%success rate. Kel-Tec has a good review rate, but the production runs seem to always have problems. |
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Post by simnettpratt on Jul 31, 2019 22:49:20 GMT -5
I hadn't read good reviews of the Curve's reliability, but nothing Taurus sells costs a fortune. Buds always has Kel-Tecs for cheap. I didn't know the .22 Mag jammed a lot, and had forgotten about the Spectrum; didn't know it was a dog.
Here are some of the reasons why I like revolvers: You don't find a new one being a jam-o-matic, and I've never heard of a 6-shot that only holds five in real life, well, except a single action without a transfer bar.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 31, 2019 23:10:28 GMT -5
I like revolvers for some reason I can't identify. Maybe because I'm a luddite. I can shoot a 1911 much better than any other handgun, yet I don't currently own one. I like that big revolvers that throw big lead and look cool. I am a rifleman by talent and inclination. My current favorite handgun is a 300 AAC AR pistol. No good for concealed carry. My main CCF is a Ruger LCP. Nothing much to recommend it except that it is light, small and works perfectly. I would carry my Rossi 44 Mag snubbie if it wasn't so scary looking. The Blackhawk 44 Special looks super cool in the tooled leather holster but it weighs a ton. My favorite rifle is a 1903 Siamese Mauser custom that shoots a 146 year old cartridge designed for black powder. I always forget about a few of my guns because I have too many. The news would call it an arsenal but I call it a collection. I have ton of ammo, but not one round more than I need. Maybe not this week, but I will shoot it all eventually.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 23:41:20 GMT -5
I tried a friend's Glock. I wouldn't even try to get used to that trigger. I love all my striker fired, plastic framed, Glock style trigger pistols. They work for me. My buddy hates that kind of trigger too. I guess I have learned it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 23:44:44 GMT -5
I am about 50/50 pistol vs revolver. I like both about the same. What I am liking more as I get older, are the purely target handguns. Like the S&W Model 52 or the Colt Officer's Model Special. They make me look like a marksman.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 31, 2019 23:53:46 GMT -5
I am about 50/50 pistol vs revolver. I like both about the same. What I am liking more as I get older, are the purely target handguns. Like the S&W Model 52 or the Colt Officer's Model Special. They make me look like a marksman. You need a Smith Model 41 to go with that 52. That was my bullseye set. Makes the Ruger 22 seem like crap by comparison. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 23:55:43 GMT -5
That is on my short list. I do have a really nice Woodsman, though.
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