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Post by Kerley0319 on Aug 21, 2019 12:49:55 GMT -5
Hello all.
Ive been getting some great advice from all of you on here and I really appreciate it. I have enjoyed my time here so far and with that being said I'd like to share something ive been contemplating lately. A pipe being the only thing Ive shared these thoughts with so far. Im 28 years old, made some bad decisions due to I'd say lack of a good role model, but thru making excuses and want a better life. I had dropped out of high school but just recently went back for a g.e.d. I dont know any trades and have worked in restaurants since I was 16. I have two kids and a fiance and I want to be more successful. I want to have a better job making more money but i have no experience doing anything. What do i do?
Open to any and all suggestions. Thanks!
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Post by puffy on Aug 21, 2019 13:32:25 GMT -5
I think one option would be to get a job as a helper trainee in some skill..Carpenter,Brick Mason or something like that,and learn your way up.
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Post by calabash on Aug 21, 2019 13:36:29 GMT -5
Education opens many doors. Start classes at community college.
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Post by Kerley0319 on Aug 21, 2019 13:43:40 GMT -5
Education opens many doors. Start classes at community college. I went to a community college for my g.e.d. class and they claim i can go for one credit for free just for getting my g.e.d. I dont know how far that gets me but it cant hurt for free right?
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Post by kxg on Aug 21, 2019 13:47:43 GMT -5
My advice may be outdated given I haven't been in the beginning job market for 45 years. But, here it is: Imagine something you would love to do for work. Evaluate if your choice is realistic. For example, it will be hard for you to become a brain surgeon; not impossible, but hard, given your starting place. There are many, many other options that are more realistic. Start at or near the bottom and work as hard as you can, be loyal to your employer, learn as much as you can. If you can't be loyal to your employer, find somewhere else to work or something else to do; nothing is worse than an non-loyal employee taking up space (and the employee doesn't benefit either). Take every opportunity to move up, even if you are not confident you are ready; if they are willing to take a chance on you, you should be too. If you find you are not enjoying the work, try to find something else. It really helps your life if you can enjoy your work. Take every opportunity to learn new things, about your work and in general. Be humble; you in fact don't know it all or likely even most of it. That will come later. Remember that nothing worthwhile is typically easy to obtain; much of life is hard work but it can yield great rewards. Also, most rewards are not monetary - I mean you've already figured that out as a pipe smoker, right? Note also, making more money is usually not the starting place, you have to work up to that; develop marketable skills and a stellar work ethic.
Finally four rules that I postulated many years ago when I worked as a team leader of team leaders: When faced with a decision point of consequence, you have four choices: 1. I agree with the decision and can support it fully. 2. I don't fully agree with the decision but I can work on that and support it fully. 3. I don't agree with the decision and I can't support it, so I will resign and go elsewhere. 4. I don't agree with the decision and I can't support it, so I will do what I can to make it fail.
Three of those choices are of high integrity; one is not. The most important thing you bring to work (or your life) is your integrity. Making the right choice is often not easy but keeping your integrity intact is, in the end, rewarding.
That's all I got. Good Luck!
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Post by roadsdiverged on Aug 21, 2019 13:50:01 GMT -5
If I could go back many years, I would have went to school for a few years. A little bit of basic knowledge and the willingness to learn and WORK can go a long way in my field, construction and remodeling. I've been at it for over 16 years and make a pretty decent living. Experience can help, or can hurt. If I had my own business, I'd hire one guy with some experience and 1 or 2 with minimal. People with lots of experience tend to think they know everything and are hard to work with. There are many jobs in my "field" that pay well, even at entry level. Plumbers and electricians are among the highest (here anyway). It really depends on what type of work you're looking for, but I'd try to make sure I enjoyed doing it all the time. Dont let your experience hinder your future. Be honest with a potential employer and express to them that you are eager to learn and follow directions well. Referring to it as a "career" instead of a "job" will often times get you bonus points.
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Post by roadsdiverged on Aug 21, 2019 13:51:07 GMT -5
Education opens many doors. Start classes at community college. I went to a community college for my g.e.d. class and they claim i can go for one credit for free just for getting my g.e.d. I dont know how far that gets me but it cant hurt for free right? Look into financial aid. Theres no shame in getting help when you're trying to do better for yourself and your family.
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Post by kxg on Aug 21, 2019 13:54:37 GMT -5
Experience can help, or can hurt. If I had my own business, I'd hire one guy with some experience and 1 or 2 with minimal. People with lots of experience tend to think they know everything and are hard to work with. Yea Josh, we used to talk about experience this way: Some folks have 20 years of experience, others have 1 year 20 times.
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Post by briarbuck on Aug 21, 2019 14:04:29 GMT -5
As they say the first step is asking for help. Understand that it is a process and take it one day at a time. Nothing happens overnight. Set daily goals and work to achieve them. At the end of the day, look back to see what you could do better. Pray and ask to do better tomorrow. When you f-up, ask for forgiveness from who you wronged.
Also, take the time to step back and pat yourself on the back for how far you have already come.
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Post by roadsdiverged on Aug 21, 2019 14:04:39 GMT -5
That is very true. And also, experience doesnt necessarily have to be an exact match to the job you're applying for. "Customer service" doesnt mean you've worked at a department store. It can be applied in many ways.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 21, 2019 14:12:44 GMT -5
I worked odd jobs then several years working for an inventory service while in college. I got married and went to work in a unionized industry. They put me to work trained me at the same time. No limit on how fast I could advise. I was a Master Lithographer in 6 years and at the top of the trade. I would go into refrigeration or electrician. Even better with an associates degree you could get in the medical technology repair industry. Good luck.
Edit; I should mention that I dropped out of college and got married because I was a company VP with a car and expense account. Don't work for family. As soon as I was married had a falling out and I was on the street. Also, expect to be always learning. I have changed careers 3 times in my 58 years work. If you find you are in the wrong field, use that job to train for something else. In on case, a 500 year old trade was reinvented almost overnight. Next field did not pay enough, but allowed me to go to school for Netware Certification which became worthless because of Microsoft, but allowed me to get Microsoft certified while I was still working. Watch out for the next economic disruption. The experience of most of us old guys is going to be of limited use to you as you are going into a very different world.
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 21, 2019 17:13:49 GMT -5
Many people have given great advice.
I applaud you for your humility in asking for help here. You've only joined the form, but you're among friends here who will support you and be frank at the same time.
What are you good at and what do you enjoy doing, or at least think you would enjoy doing? At this stage, I think it might help to look at what you love and what you've a natural affinity for. That might help you in making the next step.
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Post by daveinlax on Aug 21, 2019 17:50:38 GMT -5
It's not for everyone but I've been a Union tradesman for 35 years. I joined the Operators when I was twenty. You might want to give the Laborers a call. They might be looking for guys especially if you're willing to travel. Who knows you might be able to buy a work permit and be making good money tomorrow afternoon. I'd just fib about the education if they ask.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Aug 21, 2019 18:04:19 GMT -5
It's not for everyone but I've been a Union tradesman for 35 years. I joined the Operators when I was twenty. You might want to give the Laborers a call. They might be looking for guys especially if you're willing to travel. Who knows you might be able to buy a work permit and be making good money tomorrow afternoon. I'd just fib about the education if they ask. I'm sorry, Dave...but that is the worst advice you could give...you lie about something and guarantee you will get caught in that lie...just happens to be the way it is. You may get away with it for awhile, but when it matters the most, it will get you and then you are screwed. Lot of good suggestions above...and Dave is on the right track for the most part. My suggestion is to look at the trades...as Josh said their are opportunities out there for someone willing to learn and put their heart into it.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 21, 2019 18:36:35 GMT -5
Yeah! Start your career by lying! That's the ticket! Lie your way up! Geez.
Some have no qualms with cheating and questionable ethics, but as someone who came up through hard-knocks, I can tell you that's not the way to go. It might make something easy in the short run, but you always have to live with being a crappy person for taking that road. If I've learned ONE THING through my many mistakes, poor choices, and hard-won life experience, it's that HONESTY is key. If you're always honest, no one can call you on anything. Hard work, honesty, personal responsibility, and doing the right thing may not bring the paycheck, but it'll sure help bring one you can be proud of.
I, like you, didn't go to college. I took some community classes, but school wasn't my thing. I worked at odd jobs during my late teens, early 20s. I started learning IT, and eventually found someone to hire me at the very bottom. I worked hard, learned as much as I could, and gradually gained responsibilities. I moved through a few companies, and learned what I could from them. Now, I'm in charge of my own data center, managing servers, services, and networks.
Like others have said, pick something you're interested in, start learning, find somewhere that will hire you, work hard, and keep moving.
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Post by isett2860 on Aug 21, 2019 18:40:57 GMT -5
I agree with all everyone has said. And the one remark I would like to in regards to what Walt mentioned. My son just finished getting his CDL at a school in St Louis. 5 guys plus my son were all sent there by the trucking companies that had hired them. 3 different companies. While they were in school, about 3 weeks. The companies were doing their background checks. Before the first week was over, 1 was sent home for basically not being honest about something on his work history. Another guy was let go the day they all finished class. He had a marijuana arrest 2 years prior and had said no priors on his paperwork. In this day of technology, things will catch up on you. So as Walt says, just be upfront and don’t hide things.
I’m sure many of those here with years of life knowledge and having been around the block many times will say. Follow your gut and what you enjoy. Maybe it won’t pay the highest at first, but that will come with time. Don’t just focus on the money. You need to be happy and comfortable with what your doing.
Don’t let the GED make you feel like low man on the list. I’m sure there is more than one person on the Patch that has a GED. And have done very well in life. I am one of them! Like you, they stood up faced life and said “I’ve got this” And you’re lucky you’re realizing this at young age. Some don’t realize it until they’re much older.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 19:00:38 GMT -5
Your still relatively young and by the Hiking thread, physically fit. Have you considered a career with the Fire Department? Think they now take a Community College prep course, but sounds like you may also be headed in that direction.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Aug 21, 2019 19:10:52 GMT -5
Cramps said it better than me: "If you're always honest, no one can call you on anything. Hard work, honesty, personal responsibility, and doing the right thing may not bring the paycheck, but it'll sure help bring one you can be proud of."
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Post by kbareit on Aug 21, 2019 19:52:21 GMT -5
I worked many different forms of maintenance my entire life. 11 years ago I made a change at the age of 42. I got tired of plant shutdowns and getting laid off all the time so I enrolled in a trade school for HVAC/R. I got a job in the field while I was going to school and after a couple years returned and was an instructor. I went out on my own and have been repairing restaurant equipment since. If HVAC/R interests you it's a good trade to be in because people will always want to be comfortable at home or work and food will always need to be frozen or refrigerated. I live in a depressed area and everyone complains that there are not enough service techs for the amount of work available.
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Post by daveinlax on Aug 21, 2019 19:53:39 GMT -5
Sorry, I didn't think a HS diploma was part of a basic background check. We are desperate for warm body's that can pass a piss test. My advice was given to someone who wants to start tomorrow. I'm my world a clean DL and SS are the first steps to work.
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Post by Kerley0319 on Aug 21, 2019 19:53:58 GMT -5
Many people have given great advice. I applaud you for your humility in asking for help here. You've only joined the form, but you're among friends here who will support you and be frank at the same time. What are you good at and what do you enjoy doing, or at least think you would enjoy doing? At this stage, I think it might help to look at what you love and what you've a natural affinity for. That might help you in making the next step. I've needed some good folks to talk to for a quite a while and ill have to say its not easy to reach out. I feel like itll be tough to gain anything without humbling myself and reaching out so there we are. I appreciate everyones feedback 100%. As for what im good at / enjoy.. I honestly have no idea. I never had anyone to show me how to be a man, I was sort of raised by wolves if you will. So everything I know ive learned on my own. With the help of youtube Im beginning to be somewhat handy around the house. I dont have to call someone every time there's something stuck in the garbage disposal anymore. Haha. I figured out vehicles dont run on hopes and dreams the hard way so Ive learned basic maintenance on vehicles. Fluids, wipers, tires, brakes ..etc. I DO know that im not afraid of hard work , im a good listener and I learn fast when taught ( just dont pick up many things without being taught/shown ) . Im not good at faking it till I make it. With that lack of experience for me comes an extreme lack of confidence when it comes to approaching a jobsite somewhere and trying to get into a job i know literally less than nothing about.
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Post by Kerley0319 on Aug 21, 2019 20:12:12 GMT -5
Sorry, I didn't think a HS diploma was part of a basic background check. We are desperate for warm body's that can pass a piss test. My advice was given to someone who wants to start tomorrow. I'm my world a clean DL and SS are the first steps to work. I can definitly pass a piss test. Im not certain on this but i was told that a g.e.d. is just as well as a high school diploma anyways.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 21, 2019 20:15:53 GMT -5
Sorry, I didn't think a HS diploma was part of a basic background check. We are desperate for warm body's that can pass a piss test. My advice was given to someone who wants to start tomorrow. I'm my world a clean DL and SS are the first steps to work. I can definitly pass a piss test. Im not certain on this but i was told that a g.e.d. is just as well as a high school diploma anyways. That's true. So, you can definitely say you graduated. Do you have any interests?
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Post by Kerley0319 on Aug 21, 2019 20:29:50 GMT -5
Not really, im pretty dull in that sense. I like the outdoors. Backpacking and whatnot. I wish I could build things. I tried to build a doghouse once and boy was it a sad sight to see. Ive done a little painting before to earn extra money and i enjoyed that. I can picture myself doing anything really and enjoying it. Not one thing really jumps out at me and makes me think this is what I want to do.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Aug 21, 2019 20:35:42 GMT -5
Sorry, I didn't think a HS diploma was part of a basic background check. We are desperate for warm body's that can pass a piss test. My advice was given to someone who wants to start tomorrow. I'm my world a clean DL and SS are the first steps to work. Dave, you are known in the "circles" as a man of integrity so I think your comment was off the cuff and not really thought through as you usually do.
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Post by Kerley0319 on Aug 21, 2019 20:39:42 GMT -5
Your still relatively young and by the Hiking thread, physically fit. Have you considered a career with the Fire Department? Think they now take a Community College prep course, but sounds like you may also be headed in that direction. That sounds like something I should look into.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Aug 21, 2019 20:50:19 GMT -5
You might start by actually writing down the things you are good at...just to see where your thoughts are...if you can see it in front of you, it might give you a direction...just thinking about it, leaves a lot to forget and be brought to mind.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 20:57:35 GMT -5
You can also go proactive and place an ad: Honest, dependable young man, seeks employment. Willing to learn.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 21, 2019 20:58:57 GMT -5
Not really, im pretty dull in that sense. I like the outdoors. Backpacking and whatnot. I wish I could build things. I tried to build a doghouse once and boy was it a sad sight to see. Ive done a little painting before to earn extra money and i enjoyed that. I can picture myself doing anything really and enjoying it. Not one thing really jumps out at me and makes me think this is what I want to do. my father in law is a painter, by trade, and he has made quite the living for himself. It's hard work, and he's a perfectionist. If you're good at painting, that's a talent. I suck at it. A lot of people do.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 21, 2019 21:34:19 GMT -5
It's not for everyone but I've been a Union tradesman for 35 years. I joined the Operators when I was twenty. You might want to give the Laborers a call. They might be looking for guys especially if you're willing to travel. Who knows you might be able to buy a work permit and be making good money tomorrow afternoon. I'd just fib about the education if they ask. Buy a work permit!!!. Sure, throw in with the mob to start with. What the dang heck?
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