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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Oct 13, 2019 19:36:17 GMT -5
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Post by qmechanics on Oct 13, 2019 19:45:51 GMT -5
When the Chinese lighter gets anywhere close to the five years and counting my Japanese model has, please let me know. 😁 I’m in no way suggesting the Chinese lighters are as good as the Japanese authentic Old Boy lighters. I merely advise against paying authentic prices for what is likely knockoff quality with the “Old Boy Design” lighters. At ~$13 delivered, I paid knockoff pricing but I have knockoff expectations as well! I will try to remember to report if/when it fails. Yes paying too much for a chinese knockoff with a badge is a mistake to avoid. The worst and best of both worlds is found on eBay. The worst is paying too much for a chinese knockoff... The best is hmmmm, you really do not want to know what I paid for my authentic old boy lighter. 😀 |
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 13, 2019 21:24:03 GMT -5
I just picked up a IM Corona Pipe master. No idea what I am getting into, but it looks nice. Let us know how you like it, Ron. Dramatwist, if memory serves, bought one of those earlier this year. I have studied up on them and the only complaint is that they will burn the finger that holds down the button. In the case of the one I bought it is an older model that locks the flame on until you release the lock on the side. Can't wait to try it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 22:29:14 GMT -5
The nice thing about using my Zippo's (aside from their utter dependability) is the freedom from having to defend them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 23:55:17 GMT -5
When the Chinese lighter gets anywhere close to the five years and counting my Japanese model has, please let me know. 😁 I’m in no way suggesting the Chinese lighters are as good as the Japanese authentic Old Boy lighters. I merely advise against paying authentic prices for what is likely knockoff quality with the “Old Boy Design” lighters. At ~$13 delivered, I paid knockoff pricing but I have knockoff expectations as well! I will try to remember to report if/when it fails. At that price, if they fail, it's not hard to pick up another nine for the price of an Old Boy. |
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Post by sperrytops on Oct 14, 2019 17:27:35 GMT -5
So who did Dunhill steal the design from a swiss company, Douglass?  Dunhill designed all their lighters and for a time manufactured them in England. They later licensed a Swiss company to manufacture them for them, as it is still done today. The Rollagas lighter was a very innovative design. Dunhill designed and manufactured the lighter, later transferring manufacture to the aforementioned Swiss company. Sorry I do not know the name of that company. |
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Post by Mac on Oct 14, 2019 19:22:16 GMT -5
The nice thing about using my Zippo's (aside from their utter dependability) is the freedom from having to defend them. Is that a challenge??  Apart from the fuel stench, and how poorly they maintain fuel load, there's very little need to defend! |
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Post by monbla256 on Oct 14, 2019 19:56:06 GMT -5
They did not steal it from anyone. They designed and made first one in 1923 as a fuel lighter. It was the first fuel lighter made. They are still making it today only it's butane fueled. I still use The sterling Unique my father bought in London in 1946 and it's only been serviced once in 73 years. It's worked flawlessly ! I think my father paid $50.00 for it back then and that version sells for over $300.00 today. Pricey for sure but it's the original " Old Boy" Dunhill designed all their lighters and for a time manufactured them in England. They later licensed a Swiss company to manufacture them for them, as it is still done today. The Rollagas lighter was a very innovative design. Dunhill designed and manufactured the lighter, later transferring manufacture to the aforementioned Swiss company. Sorry I do not know the name of that company. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 20:38:38 GMT -5
www.mhageneve.com/en/ is the Swiss Co the early name is La Nationale . The famous Rollagas was designed by Leon Bolle in 1936 in the USA. While Dunhill was great marketer of goods I personally wont give them any credit for innovation and development. Other designs were copies of Clark, Douglass, Wise & Greenwood who held patents long before Dunhill copied them and filed them in England. Wise & Greenwood also worked with Dunhill and produced lighters. Just because you put your name on it does make you the inventor or even the manufacturer. Not trying to be a SA or know it all just trying to clear up misconceptions. Here is a link so you can look at the patents for your self. www.vintagelighterbook.com/html/all_lighters_.html
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Post by monbla256 on Oct 14, 2019 21:09:53 GMT -5
www.mhageneve.com/en/ is the Swiss Co the early name is La Nationale . The famous Rollagas was designed by Leon Bolle in 1936 in the USA. While Dunhill was great marketer of goods I personally wont give them any credit for innovation and development. Other designs were copies of Clark, Douglass, Wise & Greenwood who held patents long before Dunhill copied them and filed them in England. Wise & Greenwood also worked with Dunhill and produced lighters. Just because you put your name on it does make you the inventor or even the manufacturer. Not trying to be a SA or know it all just trying to clear up misconceptions. Here is a link so you can look at the patents for your self. www.vintagelighterbook.com/html/all_lighters_.html |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 21:37:34 GMT -5
vintagelighterbook.com/Dunhill_Auto_Rollalite.pdf Read it and weep.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 15, 2019 10:16:44 GMT -5
I went to the page that had the lighter information and I found a ton of info about lighters that I never heard of, but I couldn't find IM Corona at all. I am really interested in the origin of the Pipemaster. Any ideas? Links preferred.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 15, 2019 12:33:33 GMT -5
My new (to me) Pipemaster  |
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Post by sperrytops on Oct 15, 2019 12:37:07 GMT -5
Dunhill designed all their lighters and for a time manufactured them in England. They later licensed a Swiss company to manufacture them for them, as it is still done today. The Rollagas lighter was a very innovative design. Dunhill designed and manufactured the lighter, later transferring manufacture to the aforementioned Swiss company. Sorry I do not know the name of that company. My source of info is just a restoration and repair expert who does only Dunhill lighter work. You can find him on the web. There is a specific mechanism within the Rollagas lighter that is unique and was accorcing to this gentleman patented by Dunhill that made the Rollages (and one other Dunhill lighter of the time) innovative. I would not know, not being an expert. A quote from his website: On this page i will to best of my knowledge try to present a timeline on the Dunhill rollagas and variants please if you see an error please feel free to let me know so that the best information is published.This is something i get asked a lot how old is my dunhill is it worth repairing etc. in short yes age does not matter if you have a DUNHILL it is the finest lighter made bar none (at this point please only my opinion) with correct care and servicing it will last a lifetime ,as is evident by the Dunhills that have become family items. First i would like to say a little about US RE 24163 this is the patent that applies to the Valve system used in the rollagas it was applied for by Conrad Zellweger on the 12 th of March 1953 and granted on the 5 th of june 1956 .The rollagas is a natural progression from the petrol/fluid fueled rollalite from 1937 using much of the same mechanics to spark the lighter. Here is the link to the website: gordonbyastdunhills.weebly.comAlso includes a history of the Rollagas and how to identify which one you've got. |
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Post by sperrytops on Oct 15, 2019 12:52:54 GMT -5
Thought I'd add a bit more on the Dunhill lighter history. From benzinaky.com/Dunhill_E.htmlDunhill Alfred Dunhill inherited his father’s business, leather goods, saddle-bags and later various products for first car’s owners - bobbyfinders glasses or wind-shielded pipe are the examples of his original ideas. He opened his first shop on London Duke Street when he was 35. First Dunhill striker lighter named EDNITE appeared in 1914. Alfred Dunhill improved the patent of Greenwood & Wise from 1919 and in 1924 the UNIQUE lighter was introduced. The Unique with horizontal flint tube can be operated in one hand and was produced in four (A,B,C,D) sizes, “A” was the smallest. The prototype made of mustard dose can still be seen in Dunhill’s Museum. This was Alfred Dunhill’s greatest impact on lighter’s history. He sent his lighters to artists and goldsmiths and offered original, highly elaborated pieces to his customers. Double wheel was added to Unique lighter in 1928, in the same year Parker company is founded by Alfred Dunhill. There were other technically interesting models made beside the Unique line. In 1933 TALLBOY (made under Cartier’s licence) was offered, timeless elegant design that looks great even today, due to improvements of the fuel system it was working for weeks without re-filling, also the system of constant pressure on the flint was a revolutionary idea. BROADBOY followed in 1935, HANDY (SAVORY in France) in 1936. Another famous Dunhill’s lighter the ROLLALITE was patented by La Nationale in 1938. SALAAM came up just after the WWII in 1946 , LONDON ROLLALITE in 1948, ALDUNA, ALDUNIL in 50s. The ROLLAGAS is still being produced in these days, the design is the same as of 1938 ROLLALITE. |
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Post by sperrytops on Oct 15, 2019 13:05:04 GMT -5
OK, I know I'm boring everybody, but the question on Dunhill patents got me looking. This is the last and final piece I will post on this, so you can all breathe freely.
From Pipesmagazine.com:
The Rollagas was patented in 1956 and mass production was began in 1957. Ironically the patent on the bottom of many Rollagases only pertains to the gas inlet valve and not the external design nor the other valves. Those came from Zellwegers patents at La National.
The Rollagas was actually introduced in 1953 in limited production and was not in their catalogs until after the patent was granted in 1956. Its design was very close to Dunhill’s popular petrol model the Rollalite and initially the Rollagas was only offered in gold and silver plated “engine turned” barley-corn pattern bodies with smooth lids. Other patterns were offered beginning in the early 60’s including the Florentine pattern , hobnail, and “engine turned,” diamond patterns. Dunhill only offered a few solid silver and 9kt gold models in very limited amounts. They brought out the Series 70 Rollagas in 1969 to compete with Duponts wide bodies and this model was the first Dunhill lighter with the concealed hinge. The concealed hinge made it on the standard Rollagas in 1971.
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 15, 2019 13:38:05 GMT -5
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 16, 2019 14:34:48 GMT -5
My new-to-me Pipemaster has just ruined me for any other pipe lighters. It lights so easily with a good sized soft flame and the release holds it on until you release it with barely a thought. In person you can't see any scratches or marks on the case at all, and just the tinyest bit of wear on the ignition button. For a piezo lighter it's amazingly light. Holds a third more gas than the Old Boy and does not have the nearly worthless tamper.
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 16, 2019 15:00:56 GMT -5
My new-to-me Pipemaster has just ruined me for any other pipe lighters. It lights so easily with a good sized soft flame and the release holds it on until you release it with barely a thought. In person you can't see any scratches or marks on the case at all, and just the tinyest bit of wear on the ignition button. For a piezo lighter it's amazingly light. Holds a third more gas than the Old Boy and does not have the nearly worthless tamper. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 16, 2019 15:01:13 GMT -5
My new-to-me Pipemaster has just ruined me for any other pipe lighters. It lights so easily with a good sized soft flame and the release holds it on until you release it with barely a thought. In person you can't see any scratches or marks on the case at all, and just the tinyest bit of wear on the ignition button. For a piezo lighter it's amazingly light. Holds a third more gas than the Old Boy and does not have the nearly worthless tamper. Now you're spoilt. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 16, 2019 15:45:02 GMT -5
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 17, 2019 11:32:46 GMT -5
Alert!! I just discovered why I'M Corona quit putting the lock on the Pipemaster. I found out the hard way. I wasn't paying attention as I lit my pipe and then laid the lighter in my lap. It burned through my sleep pants and into my JUNK!!! ☠️☠️😭😭😩😵😵😵
Now I know how Richard Pryor felt!
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 17, 2019 11:40:56 GMT -5
Alert!! I just discovered why I'M Corona quit putting the lock on the Pipemaster. I found out the hard way. I wasn't paying attention as I lit my pipe and then laid the lighter in my lap. It burned through my sleep pants and into my JUNK!!! ☠️☠️😭😭😩😵😵😵 Now I know how Richard Pryor felt! 😂😂😂😂 That's brilliant. Roasted nuts tonight then? |
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Post by calabash on Oct 17, 2019 11:53:58 GMT -5
Alert!! I just discovered why I'M Corona quit putting the lock on the Pipemaster. I found out the hard way. I wasn't paying attention as I lit my pipe and then laid the lighter in my lap. It burned through my sleep pants and into my JUNK!!! ☠️☠️😭😭😩😵😵😵 Now I know how Richard Pryor felt! 😂😂😂😂 That's brilliant. Roasted nuts tonight then? Ba dum tsss! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 12:44:14 GMT -5
Alert!! I just discovered why I'M Corona quit putting the lock on the Pipemaster. I found out the hard way. I wasn't paying attention as I lit my pipe and then laid the lighter in my lap. It burned through my sleep pants and into my JUNK!!! ☠️☠️😭😭😩😵😵😵 Now I know how Richard Pryor felt! Yikes! I hope you weren't burned badly, Ron. |
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Post by kxg on Oct 17, 2019 12:51:05 GMT -5
Sooooo...I'm betting you won't do that again!
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Post by daveinlax on Oct 17, 2019 14:32:02 GMT -5
Interesting, I’ve never seen a Pipe Master with a lock and no tamper before. Looks nice!  |
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 17, 2019 15:12:07 GMT -5
Alert!! I just discovered why I'M Corona quit putting the lock on the Pipemaster. I found out the hard way. I wasn't paying attention as I lit my pipe and then laid the lighter in my lap. It burned through my sleep pants and into my JUNK!!! ☠️☠️😭😭😩😵😵😵 Now I know how Richard Pryor felt! Yikes! I hope you weren't burned badly, Ron. It burned through my shirt and pants, but it didn't have enough time for any serious damage before all hell broke loose. It was a very sensitive spot that instantly rejects anything above 98.6F. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 4:26:04 GMT -5
Yikes! I hope you weren't burned badly, Ron. It burned through my shirt and pants, but it didn't have enough time for any serious damage before all hell broke loose. It was a very sensitive spot that instantly rejects anything above 98.6F. So are you otherwise happy with the lighter, Ron, or did this experience cause you to stop using it? I'm guessing this happened to others, too, and that's why they changed the design. |
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Post by headrott on Oct 23, 2019 6:10:33 GMT -5
I own 3 old boys (one is featured in this thread). I have been low and rolled around outside with my old boy which was left outside in near freezing temperatures and moisture, and it still works flawlessly. Japanese made items are much better than Chinese ones. I will say the American made Zippos are good though.
If I didn’t already own 3 Old Boys, I would buy another without hesitation, period.
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