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Post by oldcajun123 on Nov 2, 2019 7:47:40 GMT -5
Son , an Airborne Vet is in DC for 4 days, wants to see some historical sights, Smithsoain, late in the day stopped at a small burger joint, wife’s burger was served almost raw, sent it back, but looking at workers decided forgein material might be in burger so, 2 homeless men were laying on floor outside on sidewalk, he offered it to homeless man, has it got mayo he was asked, I dont like mayo. No my son said, gave him the burger, other homeless man said why didn’t you get me one 💩 Head. Such is what we’ve let America become. Very Very Sad.
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Post by Penzaholic on Nov 2, 2019 9:10:54 GMT -5
Too many people there,definitely one of the last places that I would want to live.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Nov 2, 2019 9:48:05 GMT -5
Sent me a video of the Nationals parade, I was an Astros booster, but the best team won, now will they act like Champions or go down the dark political road, hope not, baseball to me is American all the way. Go Champions!
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Post by McWiggins on Nov 2, 2019 10:14:35 GMT -5
The same story can be said about any city, big or small.
It also can be said of towns of as well.
In my experience I've met good and bad in both a city environment and small town country environments. Both of which I could single out issues.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 2, 2019 10:23:22 GMT -5
The homeless never say “will work for food” on their signs around here anymore, in one case I had a bunch of gravel to move, the guy looked at me like I was crazy.
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Post by monbla256 on Nov 2, 2019 11:28:13 GMT -5
What we need is a good depression like in 1929, folks loose their homes and cars to the banks then a good world war wouldn't hurt. That's what made the greatest generation !
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Post by oldcajun123 on Nov 2, 2019 11:39:47 GMT -5
It’s said a lot of the homeless have mental problems, I say help those, reinstate mental hospitals, the rest grab em and put them in chain gangs work their asses off for a couple months then turn em loose, then a regular job would look like a vacation. No excuse not to work, been doing it since I was 12 yrs old!
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Post by georged on Nov 2, 2019 11:40:32 GMT -5
What we need is a good depression like in 1929, folks loose their homes and cars to the banks then a good world war wouldn't hurt. That's what made the greatest generation !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 16:34:55 GMT -5
What I wanna know is why would anyone think DC would be any way close to being a paradise? The biggest crooks and scoundrels are there.
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Post by roadsdiverged on Nov 3, 2019 5:52:24 GMT -5
Too many people there,definitely one of the last places that I would want to live. That's the problem with the whole earth. I've done my part to overpopulate as well, but at least I take care of mine myself. All cities have their problems, but I've always heard that D.C. was trashy. I've never been there myself. My favorite "big" city is Detroit. I grew up right next to it and it holds a special place in my heart. Places are run down, broke, over ridden with homeless people, corrupt, etc... but I still love it. I've helped out several homeless people in my small town, even if it was just buying them a few bottles of water during the summer heat. Theres one man that has been sitting by Walmart for 2 months now, hes out there everyday with a sign that says "need help." I stopped the first week he was there and asked him what he needed, he said money to get on his feet. I told him no, but I'd be happy to buy him lunch and a drink, he refused. He also reaked of liquor. If you go by there at about 9am, you'll see him puking in the bushes every single morning. You cant help someone, or something, that wont help itself. Be it a person, a town, a state, a country, etc. (Hopefully I didnt derail this too much)
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Post by Stearmandriver on Nov 4, 2019 0:52:58 GMT -5
What we need is a good depression like in 1929, folks loose their homes and cars to the banks then a good world war wouldn't hurt. That's what made the greatest generation ! Yeah... 40+% of wealth erased overnight, mass starvation, entire areas becoming uninhabitable, an explosion of disease because of forced shantytown living and no access to health care, 200,000 homeless vagrants children wandering the country without families (because they were dead)... Have you ever heard the phrase "be careful what you wish for"?
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Post by Stearmandriver on Nov 4, 2019 0:59:32 GMT -5
Btw I agree that DC is no paradise... good museums and archives for a history buff, but the city itself, meh. But in fairness, I think what you describe - the apathy, entitlement, homeless problems - exists about the same in every major city in the nation these days. I visit most of them on a pretty regular basis, and there are times I literally forget where I am, because it doesn't really matter. Most places have lost their character these days... I was just talking about this with someone and we tried to come up with cities that still had a vestige of their own character. The only ones that came to mind for me were New Orleans and Seattle; certainly neither of them is a paradise either, but when you're in one you can kind of tell. (In fairness, that's mostly because of geography).
But New York, Chicago, Atlanta, Los Angeles, DC etc... all about the same.
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Post by monbla256 on Nov 4, 2019 8:53:55 GMT -5
What we need is a good depression like in 1929, folks loose their homes and cars to the banks then a good world war wouldn't hurt. That's what made the greatest generation ! Yeah... 40+% of wealth erased overnight, mass starvation, entire areas becoming uninhabitable, an explosion of disease because of forced shantytown living and no access to health care, 200,000 homeless vagrants children wandering the country without families (because they were dead)... Have you ever heard the phrase "be careful what you wish for"? It worked for the "Greatest Generation", why can't it work now ?
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Post by toshtego on Nov 4, 2019 10:39:16 GMT -5
I lived in DC in the late 1960s. It came apart at the seems the day after MLK was assassinated. My father worked downtown at the HUD Building on 15th Street. Most everyone left early to get home before dark as the area was in flames with snipers. Not my Pop! He had to finish his work day as usual. So, he called me to drive downtown to pick him up. Off I went in our Land Rover, an Ithaca Model 37 propped on the seat next to me. Number 4 shot. Drove past burning cars, burning barrels, burning buildings. Not many people about. Saw cops in the distance but they paid me no mind. Turned onto 15th Street and there was Pop standing in front of the building. He was happy to see me. We drove home without incident. By sundown, the Army was on the streets and curfew established.
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Post by puffy on Nov 4, 2019 11:24:53 GMT -5
I was in Detroit during the riots.The city was ablaze..Army everywhere..Jeeps with 50 calibers on the back cruising the streets..When the jobs left and all who could afford to left the city it was left with not enough tax payers to support it..This led to a large homeless problem...Now 50 years later it's beginning to rebuild itself...One Note Here...A good many store owners during those days broke windows out of their stores..Sold the goods inside..Turned it into insurance that looters had done it...I think crooks are ever where there's money.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 11:25:13 GMT -5
Every generation thinks it is the greatest generation. During the first depression folks were already so poor they didn't even notice and most had a way of growing their own food and hunting for meat. I don't want to try that with folks living in giant cities like we have now. I have been to war and I am no damn hurry to see another one. What WWII did was transform America from a farm based economy to a industrial one. Making things causes invention and invention multiplies invention. America has the best conditions for living that's why everyone world wide wants to come here. The real question has America reached a level of population that leaves some out of the dream.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Nov 4, 2019 11:28:19 GMT -5
Good wrap up Sean!
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 4, 2019 12:22:39 GMT -5
I have just been watching a BBC show about the South Pacific Islands and how the unique wildlife that had evolved over the millennia were wiped out in a few years after the arrival of man. We were given a world that was the Garden of Eden. The Native Americans weren't perfect, but they had a decent lifestyle and they were well supplied by the land and small farms. The over population of the world is about to destroy the very last of nature. Just what I have seen in Texas in my lifetime. The state has become increasingly unrecognizable, and the areas of natural beauty are turning into subdivisions at an alarming rate. I remember when the North Houston community called The Woodlands was mostly swamps. When I was born Houston was a booming town that had oil and a seaport going for it, and the country was mostly farms of all kinds. Now I live in the middle of 6.5 million people. Even our house in the city that I grew up in was just a block from the woods. When we moved to our current home, we were out in the country and surrounded by century old woods. 14 years later we are surrounded by Houston, all of the thousands of acres of trees have been cut down by the speculators. The planet has devices in place to correct the situation, and the thin infestation on the surface will be greatly reduced before too much longer by disease, war, or astronomical catastrophe. If people survive at all, we will be brought back into balance. Either that or we will become like Trantor, living in caves of still. We have to decide for ourselves what kind of life we want to live. Our current trend is obviously unsustainable. Humans thrive on adversity,it brings out the best and the worst in us. Some people who live in their 250 square foot city apartments couldn't imagine living in a place where they grew their own food or had to drive 20 miles to the grocery store. I am having a problem living on 3/4 of an acre surrounded by the last trees in the county. In the forgettable movie prequel to The Exorcist, one of the characters was talking about locusts, and how when they had reached a certain population they were driven mad by the "brushing of wings. We are reaching the point where we will be unable to find a place of peace, to escape the 24 hour news cycle and to have a peaceful nights sleep. I see disaster sooner rather than later, but I don't think I will be around to see it.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 4, 2019 12:23:29 GMT -5
Every generation thinks it is the greatest generation. During the first depression folks were already so poor they didn't even notice and most had a way of growing their own food and hunting for meat. I don't want to try that with folks living in giant cities like we have now. I have been to war and I am no damn hurry to see another one. What WWII did was transform America from a farm based economy to a industrial one. Making things causes invention and invention multiplies invention. America has the best conditions for living that's why everyone world wide wants to come here. The real question has America reached a level of population that leaves some out of the dream. I knew that Greatist Generation, and I know that we aren't it.
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Post by Stearmandriver on Nov 5, 2019 18:41:29 GMT -5
Yeah... 40+% of wealth erased overnight, mass starvation, entire areas becoming uninhabitable, an explosion of disease because of forced shantytown living and no access to health care, 200,000 homeless vagrants children wandering the country without families (because they were dead)... Have you ever heard the phrase "be careful what you wish for"? It worked for the "Greatest Generation", why can't it work now ? Define "worked"? Personally, I'm not interested in sacrificing the tens or hundreds of thousands killed just by the depression (starvation, diseases, crime), much less the millions killed by the war, just to achieve someone's arbitrary idea of an ideal society. People can be successful and driven for other reasons than just reacting to cataclysm. I'd imagine most of us here are examples of that.
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Post by sperrytops on Nov 5, 2019 19:17:15 GMT -5
I get a little spun to the side with the term the Greatest Generation. Wasn't that invented by Dan Rather in writing a book? My personal belief is each and every generation has greats and it has worsts. Calling the generation that fought WW2 the greatest might imply those that fought WW1 were the worst as they created the seeds for a WW2. Anyway, I don't believe that either. All generations have best and worst. Just like all generations have those that fall through the bottom floor of society. Today you can see more of them because we drive around in cars and these folks collect in cities where the pickings are better than in rural areas. But we've always had them, whether from drugs, alcohol, war or what have you. And I tend to believe that those that can be helped and want help will get it. Those that don't want it stand on the street corner. It's quite well known here in California (where we do have our fair share of these folks) that there are plenty of resources available for people with these sorts of problems. However, if you go to a shelter or a resource house you are precluded from using alcohol or drugs. So those that don't want to give up their vices stand on the street corners and sleep in the tunnels and parks. I used to pull over and give these folks a dollar bill from time to time. I don't anymore, not after reading all the analysis done on who they are and why they aren't in shelters.
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Post by instymp on Nov 5, 2019 19:26:04 GMT -5
I lived in DC in the late 1960s. It came apart at the seems the day after MLK was assassinated. My father worked downtown at the HUD Building on 15th Street. Most everyone left early to get home before dark as the area was in flames with snipers. Not my Pop! He had to finish his work day as usual. So, he called me to drive downtown to pick him up. Off I went in our Land Rover, an Ithaca Model 37 propped on the seat next to me. Number 4 shot. Drove past burning cars, burning barrels, burning buildings. Not many people about. Saw cops in the distance but they paid me no mind. Turned onto 15th Street and there was Pop standing in front of the building. He was happy to see me. We drove home without incident. By sundown, the Army was on the streets and curfew established.
Was there in the early 70's to visit friends from S.FL. I was a hippy dude back then, thought Black Panthers were nice blacks standing up for their rights. Till my other Hippy friend told me where not to go. otherwise I was a target. Been there later & thought DC was clean & offered a lot to see, glad I went back. Would go back again. Arlington National Cemetery will bring tears to your eyes. Wipe fast & cough & no one will notice.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 19:51:20 GMT -5
Traffic was terrible when I was there way back in 1976. A solid #3 on the horror scale, behind Atlanta and Los Angeles.
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Post by blackmouth210 on Nov 5, 2019 23:37:06 GMT -5
I wouldn't let a crappy burger joint and 2 homeless guys with a bad attitude define any city...Especially one the size of DC.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Nov 6, 2019 11:45:04 GMT -5
Hated DC back when I was employed there at National Airport...lived in Old Town Va. right next to a rendering plant...whew what a stink when the breeze came off the Potomac River.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 22:24:33 GMT -5
Every generation thinks it is the greatest generation. During the first depression folks were already so poor they didn't even notice and most had a way of growing their own food and hunting for meat. I don't want to try that with folks living in giant cities like we have now. I have been to war and I am no damn hurry to see another one. What WWII did was transform America from a farm based economy to a industrial one. Making things causes invention and invention multiplies invention. America has the best conditions for living that's why everyone world wide wants to come here. The real question has America reached a level of population that leaves some out of the dream.
I think Greed changed America, and its been around since before the Railroads and finding gold at Sutter's fort. But later on they found out what kind of money could be made from War and it really kicked in. Besides the industrial age started way before WWI with that fraud Edison and others.
That's just my opinion anyway.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 6, 2019 22:38:34 GMT -5
Amazing to know history, Ron.
Yes, a lot of what I learned about Edison as a kid was educationally fraudulent... it is a shame that the nonsense was promoted... better late than never, I reckon.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 22:48:19 GMT -5
Amazing to know history, Ron. Yes, a lot of what I learned about Edison as a kid was educationally fraudulent... it is a shame that the nonsense was promoted... better late than never, I reckon. Do you realize the ONLY one thing he ever invented by himself was a electric pencil that failed horribly and was later on taken and is now what we call a tattoo machine. Most everything to come out of his company was invented by his workers including Tesla. And to top it off, Tesla is the Original inventor of the Radio that was taken from him by that foreigner. There many things to learn about Tesla and how he was taken in and left penniless by the greed of big business. He was a great man with a great mind and we should all grieve his untimely death.
It really disturbs me what big business has done to others and America, if I had my way they'd all pay for what they did by my own hands. I'm ranting it again so will leave this at a close.
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Post by toshtego on Nov 7, 2019 11:06:35 GMT -5
I lived in DC in the late 1960s. It came apart at the seems the day after MLK was assassinated. My father worked downtown at the HUD Building on 15th Street. Most everyone left early to get home before dark as the area was in flames with snipers. Not my Pop! He had to finish his work day as usual. So, he called me to drive downtown to pick him up. Off I went in our Land Rover, an Ithaca Model 37 propped on the seat next to me. Number 4 shot. Drove past burning cars, burning barrels, burning buildings. Not many people about. Saw cops in the distance but they paid me no mind. Turned onto 15th Street and there was Pop standing in front of the building. He was happy to see me. We drove home without incident. By sundown, the Army was on the streets and curfew established.
Was there in the early 70's to visit friends from S.FL. I was a hippy dude back then, thought Black Panthers were nice blacks standing up for their rights. Till my other Hippy friend told me where not to go. otherwise I was a target. Been there later & thought DC was clean & offered a lot to see, glad I went back. Would go back again. Arlington National Cemetery will bring tears to your eyes. Wipe fast & cough & no one will notice. DC was clearly a divided city. Back then, if you were White you stayed in the Northwest. By the late 1960s,some Whites had moved into the Southeast quarter. The Black neighborhoods were in bad shape. Most lacking air conditioning in a city which as hot and humid as New Orleans in summer. Terrible education, unemployment and crime. I lived there again in the early 1980s. Not much improvement except that the city was now run by the people who mostly occupied it. Marion Berry was Mayor and his crowd controlled the District courts and most of the DC government. Unbelievable corruption and incompetence. I recall the city being hit with a paralyzing snow storm one February. Everything came to a halt. The District had two snow plows. When asked what he was going to do about snow removal, His Honor replied, "God put the snow on the streets. God can take it away." Probably the best answer given the lack of preparedness.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Nov 7, 2019 11:13:58 GMT -5
At night I go on porch, used to be darkness, frogs croaking , coyotes howling, fireflies light up the darkness, now lights from nearby subdivisions are invading my sight, no red eyes of foxes trying to steal a chicken, when I bushhogg rabbits don’t jump out of pasture and run away. no fireflies, it’s like a plague, civilization creeping up, little town where I got my farmhouse and moved it on the farm voted on whether citizens could keep chickens, people up tight so much the only place I go to is the feed store, last time I went to the Academy a fuss up about a parking space nearly ended up in a young mans demise if he would have approached my truck any closer, don’t go to town, wife does my errands, the only paradise I have is my porch, I love Buddy my dog, I talk to him and he doesn’t talk back, I like that.
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